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Post by johnnyfootballz on Feb 21, 2010 20:38:29 GMT -5
I don't know if this goes here, but I had to post this somewhere. Feel free to move it or yell at me or whatever, if I messed up.
Anyway, ordered monthly subscription to WWE Classics on the 'net. I've been looking up a bunch of old HBK matches and stuff.
Wow--he was an arrogant dude, eh? I can't tell you how surprised I was to see him yelling at camera men, throwing referees, and having an overall bad attitude.
The most crazy thing I've seen so far was from "One Night Only" back in '97. He was strutting down the ramp, went over to some girls, and got a huge group hug from them. While doing that, some kid stuck an old school Hasbro (?) Bulldog figure in his face. HBK took the figure and dropped it down his tights (frontal area). My god, that was so cocky. This guy must have been the greatest heel in professional wrestling history, for real.
I guess, I'm just curious if you guys had any thoughts about HBK from that era? What are some good matches to watch. What's some dirt on him from that time.
I really have no idea. The old "HBK" I kind of missed out on. I was into wrestling in the eighties and early, early 90's. I didn't get back into wrestling until WM 15. And since then, we've had the holy, all-around good guy, HBK.
Any help would be appreciated. Man, he was truly awesome.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Feb 21, 2010 21:00:38 GMT -5
While doing that, some kid stuck an old school Hasbro (?) Bulldog figure in his face. HBK took the figure and dropped it down his tights (frontal area). C'mon now. That's just awesome.
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Post by Sam Hain on Feb 21, 2010 21:17:52 GMT -5
Yeah, 1997 HBK was awesome!
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Feb 21, 2010 23:06:35 GMT -5
Haha that story makes me chuckle
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Post by K5 on Feb 21, 2010 23:18:35 GMT -5
bulldog was supposed to win that match and promised his dying sister he'd win the match in tribute to her. shawn had a lot of pull with vince and convinced him that somehow bulldog should lose in his home country for the european title...don't ask me. bret hart said that he truly "saw the lights go out in davey's eyes from that" in his book.
the fact that michaels did so much trying to destroy bret hart's career is a testament to the piece of craphe is.
his mistreatment of opponents such as vader is just appauling.
his general disrespect for the history of the business/health of the business, such as blatantly breaking kayfabe by been seen by fans drugged out of his mind and partying with his opponents.
or how about chris candido's wwf career? or shane douglas'?
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Post by hbkrules on Feb 21, 2010 23:20:34 GMT -5
HBk was def a bad dude but most of what u described was just him playing the dx character for tv. (althought it was an extention of his true self) If you watch hbk in 1996 he is alot different. Good matches to watch if you want to see hbk in his peak as a face are wm 12 vs bret and in your house mind games vs mankind. If you want to see heel dx hbk his best matches are wm 14 vs austin and bad blood 97 hell in a cell vs taker. He also had a hilarious joke match on raw vs hhh for the euro title
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Post by layton on Feb 21, 2010 23:57:51 GMT -5
Get it? Cocky.
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Post by L 0 T T 0 on Feb 22, 2010 0:40:35 GMT -5
He says cocky, and I say - what?
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Post by johnnyfootballz on Feb 22, 2010 11:30:28 GMT -5
HBk was def a bad dude but most of what u described was just him playing the dx character for tv. (althought it was an extention of his true self) If you watch hbk in 1996 he is alot different. Good matches to watch if you want to see hbk in his peak as a face are wm 12 vs bret and in your house mind games vs mankind. If you want to see heel dx hbk his best matches are wm 14 vs austin and bad blood 97 hell in a cell vs taker. He also had a hilarious joke match on raw vs hhh for the euro title WM 12 was awesome! I pull that DVD out every once and awhile and watch that masterpiece. I read somewhere, that after he won the belt from Hart, he told Hebner to get Hart out of the ring. He didn't seem to bad other than having no respect for Hart, I guess. Yeah, I'll have to find Bad Blood with Austin--never saw that one. Also, that Euro title thing was great.
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Post by jfinnomore on Feb 22, 2010 14:47:08 GMT -5
when i worked at kmart my co worker was with the company for 20+ years or so. anyways i was looking at an HBK figure to buy one day and she told me she hated him and i asked her why and i guess he did an instore for kmart many years back and when the manager slide him a marker to sign he throw it back at the manager and demanded he handed it to him. so i'd say he used to be a cocky prick either that or he was extremely into kayfabe even to kmart managers.
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Post by gordon on Feb 22, 2010 14:52:13 GMT -5
the fact that michaels did so much trying to destroy bret hart's career is a testament to the piece of poop he WAS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 15:28:56 GMT -5
HBK had to play a character when he was a face......when he was heel DX and earlier HBK it was all him....and you could tell that too.it was effortless
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Feb 22, 2010 16:13:09 GMT -5
He says cocky, and I say - what? Haha I laughed bro. RR 2002 haha.
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Post by DTP. on Feb 22, 2010 17:08:09 GMT -5
I'm convinced that dissing HBK from the 90s is WF's favourite Classic Wrestling discussion.
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Post by johnnyfootballz on Feb 22, 2010 19:33:15 GMT -5
I'm convinced that dissing HBK from the 90s is WF's favourite Classic Wrestling discussion. Nah, man, I'm not dissing him. I just couldn't believe he dropped that little kid's Bulldog down his pants. That's plain awesome! I mean it! He's everything Orton wishes he could be, I think. I'm like addicted to everything HBK now. Been watching all of his old matches on WWE subscription internet, bought HBK: The Vault, bought Heartbreak and Triumph, and want to buy the new DVD when it comes out. Seriously, he was one hell of a performer. Every match I watch is awesome.
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Post by Chicago on Feb 23, 2010 13:50:16 GMT -5
From all of the reports I've read over the years (since I obviously didn't witness them firsthand), Shawn was a huge prick back in the day and he would probably acknowledge it today if asked.
He has said in recent years that he was "hard to get along with" back in those days and his personal life was a mess (in this month's WWE magazine, Shawn says "The ring was the one place where I felt comfortable, because in every other aspect of my life, I wasn't very comfortable." - in reference to the year 1996).
The amount of stories that exist out there about his attitude and pull backstage with Vince during the mid-to-late 90s are difficult to refute. A lot of mid-carders with potential were not allowed the opportunity to compete in the main event on the level of the Kliq (a group of friends comprised of Michaels, Hall, Nash, HHH, 1-2-3 Kid/X-Pac, and apparently Aldo Montoya/Justin Credible was an additional member, too).
The deal with Bret Hart could probably be chalked up to jealousy on Shawn's behalf. Bret was offered a spot in the Kliq when it was first being formed, but he declined. Since Bret was still a major fixture in the main event and Shawn had yet to break through, Bret became an obstacle for Shawn to overcome and/or remove from the scenario if he was ever going to reach the top.
Shawn's temper tantrums and convincing ways, as well as his refusal to lose a title clean and give up his spot for anyone but his friends, got on Bret's nerves and really climaxed backstage in July 1997 when the two of them got in a physical altercation. Bret definitely won the fight and tore out a clump of Shawn's hair in the process, which then resulted in Shawn quitting the WWF before returning a few days later (he was in the middle of a storyline with Steve Austin as tag champs at the time).
There are rumors that suggest Michaels didn't even want to lose to Austin at WrestleMania XIV up until the night of the event. That's where the story of 'Taker taping up his fists while waiting in the Gorilla position for Shawn backstage comes in, if he tried screwing Austin over. However, at that point, Shawn physically could not continue as WWF champion with a broken back.
In many ways, the back problems that forced his early retirement in late March 1998 was the best thing that could have ever happened to him. He was addicted to prescription pills and painkillers and could have been another casualty for the wrestling business, but he cleaned up his act and I believe he is a changed man.
But, that shouldn't erase all that was done in the past. There's no sense dwelling on it or trying to dig up dirt from it, though, but the fall of 1997 into spring 1998 should be remembered as heel HBK at his finest.
His best in-ring work took place throughout 1996 in his first reign as WWF champion.
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Post by johnnyfootballz on Feb 23, 2010 15:55:22 GMT -5
From all of the reports I've read over the years (since I obviously didn't witness them firsthand), Shawn was a huge prick back in the day and he would probably acknowledge it today if asked. He has said in recent years that he was "hard to get along with" back in those days and his personal life was a mess (in this month's WWE magazine, Shawn says "The ring was the one place where I felt comfortable, because in every other aspect of my life, I wasn't very comfortable." - in reference to the year 1996). The amount of stories that exist out there about his attitude and pull backstage with Vince during the mid-to-late 90s are difficult to refute. A lot of mid-carders with potential were not allowed the opportunity to compete in the main event on the level of the Kliq (a group of friends comprised of Michaels, Hall, Nash, HHH, 1-2-3 Kid/X-Pac, and apparently Aldo Montoya/Justin Credible was an additional member, too). The deal with Bret Hart could probably be chalked up to jealousy on Shawn's behalf. Bret was offered a spot in the Kliq when it was first being formed, but he declined. Since Bret was still a major fixture in the main event and Shawn had yet to break through, Bret became an obstacle for Shawn to overcome and/or remove from the scenario if he was ever going to reach the top. Shawn's temper tantrums and convincing ways, as well as his refusal to lose a title clean and give up his spot for anyone but his friends, got on Bret's nerves and really climaxed backstage in July 1997 when the two of them got in a physical altercation. Bret definitely won the fight and tore out a clump of Shawn's hair in the process, which then resulted in Shawn quitting the WWF before returning a few days later (he was in the middle of a storyline with Steve Austin as tag champs at the time). There are rumors that suggest Michaels didn't even want to lose to Austin at WrestleMania XIV up until the night of the event. That's where the story of 'Taker taping up his fists while waiting in the Gorilla position for Shawn backstage comes in, if he tried screwing Austin over. However, at that point, Shawn physically could not continue as WWF champion with a broken back. In many ways, the back problems that forced his early retirement in late March 1998 was the best thing that could have ever happened to him. He was addicted to prescription pills and painkillers and could have been another casualty for the wrestling business, but he cleaned up his act and I believe he is a changed man. But, that shouldn't erase all that was done in the past. There's no sense dwelling on it or trying to dig up dirt from it, though, but the fall of 1997 into spring 1998 should be remembered as heel HBK at his finest. His best in-ring work took place throughout 1996 in his first reign as WWF champion. Thank you for filling me in on a lot of the stuff. What a chapter in the history of the WWE! Wish I could have witnessed some of it. You could probably feel the tension back then between the two (Hart and HBK). Wow.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Feb 23, 2010 16:21:12 GMT -5
or how about chris candido's wwf career? or shane douglas'? I'll give you Candido due to the Sunny fling. But as far as Douglas goes, I believe it was probably a two-way street. Douglas was a bit of a prick back then too, so I'm sure he didn't help his own cause very much backstage. Not that Michaels was a saint, but I doubt Douglas' WWF failings were entirely HBK's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2010 20:21:41 GMT -5
Saying old school HBK was "pretty bad" is like saying the North Pole is pretty cold.
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Post by hbkrules on Feb 24, 2010 0:49:59 GMT -5
I don't think the bret hbk feud will ever be topped because it was real and you truly could feel it. There have been a lot of great kayfabe feuds but those two guys really hated each other.
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