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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Mar 30, 2010 15:44:13 GMT -5
How is Orton's character bland compared to Kennedy? If anything, it's a lot less bland than that poor excuse of a wrestler down in TNA. Orton's tattoos, build and his mannerisms are much better than Kennedy. If we wanna sit here and say Orton has a basic character, maybe we should point out Anderson as well. He's your typical black boots, tights, and blond haired look. It's been done before, so automatically it's boring and bland, right? Oh I'm sorry, I just thought we were going off the same argument you proposed for Orton's look and character. Anderson stands out... Orton doesn't. And I don't remember anybody having Anderson's gimmick before, so no. It is unique. That isn't the debate anyway. I said Anderson was better looking because I was implying that anything Orton had, Anderson did better. Looks are a part of the full package and, I would notice Mr. Anderson because he actually changes his look from time to time and his character has a bit of color. Orton is like an insomniac's dream. I have yet to see Anderson get a better crowd response than Orton. |
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Post by thegenius on Mar 30, 2010 15:46:14 GMT -5
I love how you act like ALL he does is repeat his name. Have you not watched TNA for the past month or so? His feud with Angle is EASILY the best feud going on at the moment. It has it all, great matches, great promos, emotion, passion... its a feud everyone can relate to. It's not just his name repeat, it's his mic work period. He is a classic heel and gets the reaction he needs to. He feeds off that reaction. People say it's Orton's character... yeah, well... Orton's character sucks. And people can use that as an excuse all they want. The guy hasn't had a great match in years. No, I'm not coming out of the closet, Orton is bland. I mean, he's your generic CAW guy, buzzcut, black tights, boring moveset. Anderson atleast has a colorful look to him and he stands out. And how does speed mean sloppy? Orton WALKS his matches, Anderson has drive into them and makes them exciting. Just watch his match against The Pope at Against All Odds. I don't know why I bother trying to convince you guys that he's one of the best things in TNA currently. Half of you probably don't even watch it (judging by the "he needs a decent feud" comment above), and would rather see Blandy Orton face Yawn Cena for the 1000th time. His fued with Angle is decent at best and is being carried by Angle. They dude is nowhere near as good as you make him out to be. And the real reason he is getting the push he is getting is because he is another guy that "WWE didnt use right" and TNA thinks they are shoving it in WWEs face. When I bet no one is the E gives a damn. As far as the comments about guys in the back being afraid hed get too over, give me a  ing break. They were ready to push the guy. They gave him MITB, which almost means he would have gotten the title. HE ed that up, no one in the back did. But hey he can go to TNA, be whatever the hell you consider over is, and be maineventing because the guys with actual talent 9 times out of 10 are treated like poop. It doesnt make a difference. At the end of the day Orton is actually over, and one of the top guys in THE TOP wrestling company in the world...... I love the term carried... and how the IWC throws it around for any good feud that a wrestler they don't like is in. No, Anderson is not carried, and that is an absolute fact. Both him and Kurt are contributing to this feud greatly and are making it what it is. What you're saying is, all of Angle's feuds were as good as this? That's what you're saying. Any feud Angle is in, he carries them. |
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Post by thegenius on Mar 30, 2010 15:47:28 GMT -5
Anderson stands out... Orton doesn't. And I don't remember anybody having Anderson's gimmick before, so no. It is unique. That isn't the debate anyway. I said Anderson was better looking because I was implying that anything Orton had, Anderson did better. Looks are a part of the full package and, I would notice Mr. Anderson because he actually changes his look from time to time and his character has a bit of color. Orton is like an insomniac's dream. I have yet to see Anderson get a better crowd response than Orton. That is irrelevent. He is a WWE main eventer who has freedom. Anderson hadn't, he was told the way to act and the crowd ended up not giving a crap. Here he has good influence in his promos and can be the guy he wanted to be in wrestling. |
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Mar 30, 2010 15:48:53 GMT -5
How is Orton's character bland compared to Kennedy? If anything, it's a lot less bland than that poor excuse of a wrestler down in TNA. Orton's tattoos, build and his mannerisms are much better than Kennedy. If we wanna sit here and say Orton has a basic character, maybe we should point out Anderson as well. He's your typical black boots, tights, and blond haired look. It's been done before, so automatically it's boring and bland, right? Oh I'm sorry, I just thought we were going off the same argument you proposed for Orton's look and character. Anderson stands out... Orton doesn't. And I don't remember anybody having Anderson's gimmick before, so no. It is unique. That isn't the debate anyway. I said Anderson was better looking because I was implying that anything Orton had, Anderson did better. Looks are a part of the full package and, I would notice Mr. Anderson because he actually changes his look from time to time and his character has a bit of color. Orton is like an insomniac's dream. I personally think Orton stands out fine, as do plenty of other people. Orton has a distinguishable look, albeit similar to others in the past. I don't see how Kennedy changes it up because he changes the colors of his tights every now and again. So? Orton used to wear purple, he's had orange and black tights, he's had black and gold tights, he's had black and silver tights. Orton's changed it up over the years as well. Besides, his look is working perfectly for him and he has a credible main event star look to him. Haven't you heard the phrase, if it isn't broken, don't fix it? |
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Mar 30, 2010 15:50:31 GMT -5
I have yet to see Anderson get a better crowd response than Orton. That is irrelevent. He is a WWE main eventer who has freedom. Anderson hadn't, he was told the way to act and the crowd ended up not giving a crap. Here he has good influence in his promos and can be the guy he wanted to be in wrestling. It's not WWE's fault Anderson couldn't garner a crowd reaction for shit. Maybe if he got the cheers to begin with he would have been given more freedom. He wasn't getting the pops of a future main event star |
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Post by mdf2349 on Mar 30, 2010 15:51:01 GMT -5
Exactly, you just proved my point. Opinion isn't fact. And that isn't my opinion, that's a fact. Well in my mind, I think everything I've said is true. And I can back it up... find me anything Orton can do, and I will argue that Anderson can do it better. A bunch of sheep chanting his name doesn't count, considering Anderson was never in the main event. how many world titles has Anderson won oh that's right zero compared to Orton who has had six that there proves Orton > Anderson |
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Post by thegenius on Mar 30, 2010 15:52:59 GMT -5
Anderson stands out... Orton doesn't. And I don't remember anybody having Anderson's gimmick before, so no. It is unique. That isn't the debate anyway. I said Anderson was better looking because I was implying that anything Orton had, Anderson did better. Looks are a part of the full package and, I would notice Mr. Anderson because he actually changes his look from time to time and his character has a bit of color. Orton is like an insomniac's dream. I personally think Orton stands out fine, as do plenty of other people. Orton has a distinguishable look, albeit similar to others in the past. I don't see how Kennedy changes it up because he changes the colors of his tights every now and again. So? Orton used to wear purple, he's had orange and black tights, he's had black and gold tights, he's had black and silver tights. Orton's changed it up over the years as well. Besides, his look is working perfectly for him and he has a credible main event star look to him. Haven't you heard the phrase, if it isn't broken, don't fix it? Tons of people here haven't heard it. They're actually suggesting that Anderson should change the gimmick that got him known in the first place. Orton has nothing unique about him. His finisher is a KICK. He wears black tights, doesn't stand out and has un-tolerable promos. Atleast Anderson has a good finisher and moves... you know, fast in the ring. Yeah, Anderson is the better wrestler in my eyes and nothing here will change that, FYI and thanks. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 30, 2010 15:54:39 GMT -5
He's got a point. Anderson's look and character somewhat fall under the Ric Flair category. I don't see it. Just because he wears colored tights and has blond hair? Not a close resemblence. Just loosely. Loudmouth, blond, catchphrase, classic style attire. It's a template that soooo many guys have used before. |
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Post by wabarrett on Mar 30, 2010 15:55:10 GMT -5
Without looking at the 7 pages, I take it this is a massive, s***, nonsensical argument about Orton vs. Mr. Kennedy (sorry, Anderson). Why the hell is jSYN back again?
You're all fan boys.
Neither Kennedy or Orton are anything special in my view, but whatever. On the flip side, I do like both of them. But as with everything, you people have to cream over one or two guys and hate on another couple of guys.
Jesus Christ.
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Post by thegenius on Mar 30, 2010 15:56:10 GMT -5
Well in my mind, I think everything I've said is true. And I can back it up... find me anything Orton can do, and I will argue that Anderson can do it better. A bunch of sheep chanting his name doesn't count, considering Anderson was never in the main event. how many world titles has Anderson won oh that's right zero compared to Orton who has had six that there proves Orton > Anderson And I suppose Orton is better than The Rock too, right? Since he has had more world titles and everything... |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 30, 2010 15:56:43 GMT -5
He's got a point. Anderson's look and character somewhat fall under the Ric Flair category. I don't see it. Just because he wears colored tights and has blond hair? Not a close resemblence. Just loosely. Loudmouth, blond, catchphrase, classic style attire. It's a template that soooo many guys have used before. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 30, 2010 15:59:15 GMT -5
Without looking at the 7 pages, I take it this is a massive, s***, nonsensical argument about Orton vs. Mr. Kennedy (sorry, Anderson). Why the hell is jSYN back again? You're all fan boys.Neither Kennedy or Orton are anything special in my view, but whatever. On the flip side, I do like both of them. But as with everything, you people have to cream over one or two guys and hate on another couple of guys. Jesus Christ.  Yeah, that wasn't really a fair asessment. |
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Mar 30, 2010 15:59:27 GMT -5
I personally think Orton stands out fine, as do plenty of other people. Orton has a distinguishable look, albeit similar to others in the past. I don't see how Kennedy changes it up because he changes the colors of his tights every now and again. So? Orton used to wear purple, he's had orange and black tights, he's had black and gold tights, he's had black and silver tights. Orton's changed it up over the years as well. Besides, his look is working perfectly for him and he has a credible main event star look to him. Haven't you heard the phrase, if it isn't broken, don't fix it? Tons of people here haven't heard it. They're actually suggesting that Anderson should change the gimmick that got him known in the first place. Orton has nothing unique about him. His finisher is a KICK. He wears black tights, doesn't stand out and has un-tolerable promos. Atleast Anderson has a good finisher and moves... you know, fast in the ring. Yeah, Anderson is the better wrestler in my eyes and nothing here will change that, FYI and thanks. Too bad Orton's finisher is the RKO and the punt is barely used anymore. The RKO is one of the best finishers in wrestling. It's a move that can come from nowhere and is beautifully executed everytime and is a very believable move when it comes to finishers. Orton's promos aren't even that bad. You make it seem like he's Jeff Hardy on the mic. Does Orton need work, of course he does, but he's far from intolerable. I don't see the appeal of the mic check, at all. Oh, and besides the mic check, what makes Anderson's moveset so much more unique and standout a lot more from others that you like to make it seem? I'm not trying to change your opinion on Kennedy, because I think we've all realized it's not possible nor will it ever be possible, but you're the one who's trying to basically change everyone's opinion on Orton, so don't get pissed for somebody doing the same thing you're doing |
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Mar 30, 2010 16:01:26 GMT -5
I don't see it. Just because he wears colored tights and has blond hair? Not a close resemblence. Just loosely. Loudmouth, blond, catchphrase, classic style attire. It's a template that soooo many guys have used before. I could see your point, but doesn't that go right back to what JSYN was saying earlier of how it's a look and character that's been done before, hence making it bland? |
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Post by 1992 on Mar 30, 2010 16:01:53 GMT -5
Without looking at the 7 pages, I take it this is a massive, s***, nonsensical argument about Orton vs. Mr. Kennedy (sorry, Anderson). Why the hell is jSYN back again? You're all fan boys. Neither Kennedy or Orton are anything special in my view, but whatever. On the flip side, I do like both of them. But as with everything, you people have to cream over one or two guys and hate on another couple of guys. Jesus Christ. I remember a certain guy who wouldn't leave the ECW fans alone and continuously dropped in the ECW thread just to announce he didn't like and argue over Zack Ryder every other day during the last month or so of ECW's existence, and whine about the ThreadHead thing, which did no harm to anyone. All of which accomplished nothing. |
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Post by wabarrett on Mar 30, 2010 16:02:51 GMT -5
Without looking at the 7 pages, I take it this is a massive, s***, nonsensical argument about Orton vs. Mr. Kennedy (sorry, Anderson). Why the hell is jSYN back again? You're all fan boys.Neither Kennedy or Orton are anything special in my view, but whatever. On the flip side, I do like both of them. But as with everything, you people have to cream over one or two guys and hate on another couple of guys. Jesus Christ. Sorry, but these threads prove it. Not everyone obviously, but look at the 7 pages previous. They're filled with 'Insert name here > Insert name here'. That's not a frigging argument. People do not listen to or consider anyone else's view, they are just stubborn and make useless arguments like 'he is better in the ring, better on the mic', and my favorite over-used phrase now 'he actually IS OVER!!!111one). Judging by crowd reactions? Great in this argument, considering Kennedy is in a building of about 1 and a half thousand people, and Orton performs in front of 15 thousand odd every week. Then jSYN says crap like 'He's better looking'... what the hell... alright mate, if you're into that kind of thing. Don't roll your eyes at me buddy, explain how I'm wrong to make that judgment. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 30, 2010 16:04:46 GMT -5
Not a close resemblence. Just loosely. Loudmouth, blond, catchphrase, classic style attire. It's a template that soooo many guys have used before. I could see your point, but doesn't that go right back to what JSYN was saying earlier of how it's a look and character that's been done before, hence making it bland? lol. I was trying to agree with you man. I was implying that Ken's look is just as cookie cutter as Orton's. |
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Post by 1992 on Mar 30, 2010 16:04:53 GMT -5
You're not wrong, everything you said was true, you're just a hypocrite.
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Post by wabarrett on Mar 30, 2010 16:05:13 GMT -5
Without looking at the 7 pages, I take it this is a massive, s***, nonsensical argument about Orton vs. Mr. Kennedy (sorry, Anderson). Why the hell is jSYN back again? You're all fan boys. Neither Kennedy or Orton are anything special in my view, but whatever. On the flip side, I do like both of them. But as with everything, you people have to cream over one or two guys and hate on another couple of guys. Jesus Christ. I remember a certain guy who wouldn't leave the ECW fans alone and continuously dropped in the ECW thread just to announce he didn't like and argue over Zack Ryder every other day during the last month or so of ECW's existence, and whine about the ThreadHead thing, which did no harm to anyone. All of which accomplished nothing. I remember that a tad differently. I remember going into a thread, putting the word 'disgraceful' next to a picture of Zack Ryder with championship gold, and being told to piss off by a supposedly tranquil and peaceful forum member. But whatever. |
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Mar 30, 2010 16:06:06 GMT -5
I could see your point, but doesn't that go right back to what JSYN was saying earlier of how it's a look and character that's been done before, hence making it bland? lol. I was trying to agree with you man. I was implying that Ken's look is just as cookie cutter as Orton's. Hahaha, my bad man, misinterpreted what you were saying I guess.  |
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