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Post by Elliot on Apr 15, 2010 17:02:47 GMT -5
I don't see everyone's problem. Watch both shows, it isn't illegal. Of course, iMPACT is sh*t, but nobody is saying you can't watch it...
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Post by Random Hero Est. 2003 on Apr 15, 2010 17:07:53 GMT -5
I don't see everyone's problem. Watch both shows, it isn't illegal. Of course, iMPACT is sh*t, but nobody is saying you can't watch it... My eyes are saying I can't watch it and I'm upset about it. Hence the venting
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Post by downsyndrome on Apr 15, 2010 17:09:53 GMT -5
I don't see everyone's problem. Watch both shows, it isn't illegal. Of course, iMPACT is sh*t, but nobody is saying you can't watch it... My eyes are saying I can't watch it and I'm upset about it. Hence the venting then do a pic fed
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Post by Random Hero Est. 2003 on Apr 15, 2010 17:10:32 GMT -5
My eyes are saying I can't watch it and I'm upset about it. Hence the venting then do a pic fed Hurts my back
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Post by carly1988 on Apr 15, 2010 17:12:13 GMT -5
why do people say that TNA is making stars?? I mean really cmon people. AJ Styles, Beer Money, Samoa Joe, Motor City Machine Guns.....they're all great talents but they're not "stars". They struggle selling out nickel and dime arenas around the country. Have two autograph signings in the same city, 1 being WWE Champ John Cena and the other being TNA champ AJ Styles....Lets see which one gets a better turn out. People need to quit getting "talent" confused with being a star. AJ Styles is the champ and could walk into my Walmart and buy a gallon of milk and nobody would say a word to him. Think that would happen with Batista? The "stars" of TNA, like it or not, are the Hogans, Flairs, Stings etc. thats because WWE is a WAY larger company that also invest more in movies, etc... John Cena is holdhouse name now.. I mean there are a few people you cant ignore have made more of a name in the wrestling world in tna .. Use the POPE as an example..... and remember as much as we like wrestling etc, there are millions that love and watch wrestling but are not on the internet everyday, etc.. Cmon man, you really think Cena is a household name because of his B rated movies? Roddy Piper wasnt a household name because he was in "They Live" (great movie btw), he was a big name because he was a start in the WWE. If you want to say "well WWE is a larger company" then basically you're saying right there that TNA isnt on the level that the WWE is and thats something that diehard TNA fans argue about until their death. I enjoy TNA, I watched the majority of TNA monday and occasionally flipped over to Raw but to say TNA is developing stars is asinine. TNA is developing talent that one day if they move to the big time, WWE will make them stars.
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Post by downsyndrome on Apr 15, 2010 17:13:26 GMT -5
Set your arena up on a table that way you can sit down, you were good. I enjoyed your fed.
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Post by Random Hero Est. 2003 on Apr 15, 2010 17:17:46 GMT -5
Set your arena up on a table that way you can sit down, you were good. I enjoyed your fed. I might have to try that. My ring broke, though. Need to find a new one
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Post by downsyndrome on Apr 15, 2010 17:19:20 GMT -5
ive got extra's laying around
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Post by The Mac on Apr 15, 2010 17:47:58 GMT -5
cheers for posting, it was good to hear
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Post by K5 on Apr 15, 2010 17:56:30 GMT -5
in the end, do the smarks really make a difference? i mean, wwe obviously doesn't read the internet too thoroughly considering the booking choices they make and who they push. they listen to the entire market audience, which is what tna is trying to appeal to. i'll admit that their show has been quite sub-par, but it is not half as ing bad as people on this board try to make it out to be. i'll say i was MUCH more entertained by last impact compared to raw with the only exception being the hart foundation segment.
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Apr 15, 2010 17:59:13 GMT -5
And Impact did not debut on Spike until...........October 1 of that year. It wasn't like it was in the bag that TNA magically move immediately over to Spike after WWE left because a) TNA was shopping their show and b) the places they were shopping it weren't that hot for wrestling. That's what I mean about histrionics. Or at least re-writing history. If they were not in trouble at that time then why weren't they signed earlier.....like 5 minutes after WWE's announcement? You know like when Spike signed WWE and canceled ECW? Again let's remember history CORRECTLY. This is exactly what I mean by denial. Play it back, at the 3:48 mark he says "The wrestlers work hard, they really seem to have passion." At around the 4:58 mark he says "Everything that they do looks second rate." And if you actually bothered to actually LISTEN instead of hear what you thought he meant you would have known that he is talking about TNA trying to be, and or beat the WWE. I could care less how much you love TNA or when you started going steady or any of that. I love watching wrestling, good wrestling, wrestling that makes since and doesn't make my head ache from the constant uselessness that is Vince Russo writing. I've been watching wrestling since before WM3. I'm lucky enough to live in an area where I have the option watch all of WWE's shows, TNA, ROH, NWA, and AAA. So forgive me if I come off as knowing more than you about the wrestling business, not to mention the fact that I also have been asked to help run indy shows in my area. Whenever I think that maybe I am being too critical about it I let someone who doesn't like wrestling or at the very least follow it as much as I do and ask them what they think of TNA. You know what they always say?......"That show makes no ing since, most of those guys gimmicks are lame, how is it not canceled yet? And why the hell are you still watching it?" I never have an answer for them, other than I want TNA to be successful. The Monday Night Wars taught us one thing, and that is that having two healthy wrestling companies on national tv makes it more enjoyable for all of us.
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Post by Joey Cush on Apr 15, 2010 18:10:56 GMT -5
Bret_Hart_Mark is bringing up a lot of good points, whether you like them or not. I cant be bothered to read SG or jsyn's posts because I know beforehand how biased they are. Now after this post, I shall be flamed!
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Apr 15, 2010 18:26:58 GMT -5
I agree about the "Can't mention TNA without bashing WWE" part, for the most part. Also, TNA has built less stars. WWE creates quite a few big names a year, and that's an occasional good year for TNA. When Desmond Wolfe and Amazing Red are main Eventing PPV's over the TNA World Title, I'll compliment TNA on their building of stars. The only ones they've built to be major stars is AJ Styles, and he seems to go in-and-out of that top spot. The denial part also is evident in some people.
But, TNA has a plan and they're abiding by it. It appears to be a god-awful plan, but they seem to be sticking with it and that's something.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2010 18:35:05 GMT -5
Wow, talk about being the in the deep end of the river called denial. Let's review Being a star and being known are two completely different things. We all know who these guys are because we watch wrestling, but take some photos of them onto the street and I bet that a majority of people will assume that they ALL work for WWE. Could it one day be different, yeah maybe, but that was the guy's point! They were all most done after they lost the Fox sports deal, then WWE left Spike to go back to go back to USA. History, lets remember it correctly people. So yeah I think he has another valid point. Its second rate when people order PPV's and the A/V club from some middle school that TNA hired to produce it can't sync the AUDIO to the VIDEO on a live feed! I know this because it happend last year on at least 3 PPV's. And the "They've only been around 8 years" is such a cop out its not even funny. In this day an age when you can go on YouTube and find homemade videos that are better produced, that is a failure in execution by management. He only crapped on the X-division guys, not on any of the guys you mentioned. And how many times have you read/seen interviews where most people in the business tell you that having matches that are basically spot fests don't draw? Practically all of the ones I've seen/read. Don't get me wrong I like the X-division, but it didn't reach its apex until Samoa Joe was involved. I'm not trying to tell you that you are a mark for defending TNA, but damn have a little perspective and I don't know have FACTS and or the correct histrionics on things before you haul off and blindly defend something. TNA started off really well and I loved watching it until the last few years, mainly since THAT DOUCHE BAG (I can't even say his name anymore, otherwise I'm gonna write a hateful email to him, lol). Its threads like these that remind me of something my mom taught me a long time ago. She told that once I'm out in the real world I would realize that this saying will always be true: "Money talks, and bullpoop walks." Right now TNA is doing a lot of walking and zero talking. Their lips are flapping but they aren't saying anything worth a damn.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Apr 15, 2010 18:51:58 GMT -5
Honestly, TNA has some amazing talent. It is guys like Styles, Hardy, Van Dam, Moore, Kaz and Joe (where ever he is) that MAKE TNA. I hate watching it now, mainly because of how poor the booking is. That's cool your putting a Six Man Tag Steel Cage Lockdown Preview match? Cool, but it won't make me tune into Lockdown because I am getting it for free here...Anderson/Angle's feud WAS being built up great, but they had to add that stupid ass stipulation Ladder match...I think TNA has to many gimmick matches for me to take them seriously...
So I'd say: 1) Fix the booking. 2) FIRE useless talent ex: Hall, Waltman, Sponge, Abyss (or book him as a Monster again, seriously)...etc. 3) Better production 4) Branch out...Have a Pay Per View in like, Oregon, Washington, New York...make it big...ya know
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Post by SodaGuy on Apr 15, 2010 19:38:19 GMT -5
@bret_Hart_Mark:
How exactly am I in denial? You've failed to explain that other than quoting stuff I've said (despite the fact I've explained it time and time again) and throwing out the word denial. I would love for you to explain me how I'm in denial. And if you have in there, in any way, shape, or form - "Because, you think TNA will beat the WWE!" then don't even bother because that's far from it.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Apr 15, 2010 20:03:51 GMT -5
@bret_Hart_Mark: How exactly am I in denial? You've failed to explain that other than quoting stuff I've said (despite the fact I've explained it time and time again) and throwing out the word denial. I would love for you to explain me how I'm in denial. And if you have in there, in any way, shape, or form - "Because, you think TNA will beat the WWE!" then don't even bother because that's far from it. I think the phrase for you is "One man's denial is another man's positive outlook". People see you as in denial of TNA's product as you tend to defend almost everything that happens on Impact and PPV's. You may not be in denial, you may simply be looking at the positive's of every situation, which can come off very easily as denial.
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Post by juicewinslow on Apr 15, 2010 20:23:20 GMT -5
I listened to this for about a minute and thought to myself...
"Whos this guy talking in the video and why am I supposed to care about what he's talking about?"
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Apr 15, 2010 20:40:49 GMT -5
@bret_Hart_Mark: How exactly am I in denial? You've failed to explain that other than quoting stuff I've said (despite the fact I've explained it time and time again) and throwing out the word denial. I would love for you to explain me how I'm in denial. And if you have in there, in any way, shape, or form - "Because, you think TNA will beat the WWE!" then don't even bother because that's far from it. denial: –noun 1520s, from deny + -al (2). Meaning "unconscious suppression of painful or embarrassing feelings" ;D
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Post by SodaGuy on Apr 15, 2010 20:45:04 GMT -5
@bret_Hart_Mark: How exactly am I in denial? You've failed to explain that other than quoting stuff I've said (despite the fact I've explained it time and time again) and throwing out the word denial. I would love for you to explain me how I'm in denial. And if you have in there, in any way, shape, or form - "Because, you think TNA will beat the WWE!" then don't even bother because that's far from it. denial: –noun 1520s, from deny + -al (2). Meaning "unconscious suppression of painful or embarrassing feelings" ;D I know the definition, smart-ass. I'm asking what I'm in denial about since you haven't bothered to explain. I have no "painful or embarrassing" feelings. So, explain how I'm in denial..
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