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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 21:10:49 GMT -5
I am Protestant, and though I theologically disagree with him, I respect BANE and admire his passion for his faith. I think people can learn a lot from the passion of JW's. I'd much rather befriend him than a radical anti-religion extremist.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 20, 2010 21:11:34 GMT -5
And it would help you if you'd actually open up the Bible and see what it said, not what some literature from the Watchtower said. Do you not realize it's incredibly biased? Do you even bother to look at literature from other sources to see if they agree? Experts agree that John 1:1 is mistranslated by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Did you even look to see? You have no idea that YHVH means I AM. Have you really studied the scriptures? The Bible is where the Truth is, not the Watchtower Society.
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Post by bane on May 20, 2010 21:33:42 GMT -5
And it would help you if you'd actually open up the Bible and see what it said, not what some literature from the Watchtower said. Do you not realize it's incredibly biased? Do you even bother to look at literature from other sources to see if they agree? Experts agree that John 1:1 is mistranslated by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Did you even look to see? You have no idea that YHVH means I AM. Have you really studied the scriptures? The Bible is where the Truth is, not the Watchtower Society. Some, like certain apostates today, are disloyally working as Satan’s agents to undermine the faith of newly associated members of the Christian congregation. (2 Corinthians 11:13) Rather than simply use the Bible as the basis for true teachings, they concentrate on trying to discredit the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, as if Jehovah’s Witnesses were wholly dependent on it for support. But this is not so. For the best part of a century, the Witnesses used primarily the King James Version, the Roman Catholic Douay Version, or whatever versions were available in their language, to learn the truth about Jehovah and his purposes. And they used these older versions in proclaiming the truth about the condition of the dead, the relationship between God and his Son, and why only a little flock go to heaven. Informed persons are also aware that Jehovah’s Witnesses continue to use many translations of the Bible in their worldwide evangelizing work. Since 1961, however, they have additionally enjoyed the use of the New World Translation, with its updated, accurate translation and fine readability. Jesus said he would disown many who profess faith in him. He acknowledged that they might prophesy, expel demons, and “perform many powerful works” in his name. Still, he identifies these as works of “lawlessness.” (Matthew 7:21-23) Why? Because they are not doing the will of his heavenly Father and are worthless as far as Jehovah God is concerned. Unusual, even seemingly miraculous, works today can still originate with the archdeceiver, Satan. The apostle John, writing his first general letter over 60 years after Jesus’ death and resurrection, counseled that Christians should “not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” We need to do the same.—1 John 4:1.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 21, 2010 7:39:12 GMT -5
I am Protestant, and though I theologically disagree with him, I respect BANE and admire his passion for his faith. I think people can learn a lot from the passion of JW's. I'd much rather befriend him than a radical anti-religion extremist. Bane should certainly be admired for his passion. I do however think he'd benefit from actually looking at his faith with a critical eye and learning what he believes and why. Just googling answers when you have no response is not a good way to do apologetics. Also, I take a bit of offense at being called Satan's agent.
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Post by bane on May 21, 2010 8:54:36 GMT -5
I am Protestant, and though I theologically disagree with him, I respect BANE and admire his passion for his faith. I think people can learn a lot from the passion of JW's. I'd much rather befriend him than a radical anti-religion extremist. Bane should certainly be admired for his passion. I do however think he'd benefit from actually looking at his faith with a critical eye and learning what he believes and why. Just googling answers when you have no response is not a good way to do apologetics. Also, I take a bit of offense at being called Satan's agent. Also, I take offense at your saying I google stuff when I don't.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on May 21, 2010 9:11:46 GMT -5
Bane should certainly be admired for his passion. I do however think he'd benefit from actually looking at his faith with a critical eye and learning what he believes and why. Just googling answers when you have no response is not a good way to do apologetics. Also, I take a bit of offense at being called Satan's agent. Also, I take offense at your saying I google stuff when I don't. Big difference between being accused of googling, and calling someone satan's agent
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 21, 2010 10:32:58 GMT -5
All of your responses come up verbatim in a Google search. I could post links to the sources of all your responses.
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Post by bane on May 21, 2010 15:30:44 GMT -5
Also, I take offense at your saying I google stuff when I don't. Big difference between being accused of googling, and calling someone satan's agent Hmm...You all told me you didn't read my uh...cut and pastes. So when do you and when don't you?
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Post by bane on May 21, 2010 15:32:14 GMT -5
All of your responses come up verbatim in a Google search. I could post links to the sources of all your responses. They don't come from google searches. I already told you that. Jehovah's witnesses have a CD rom with everything covered on it. If other brothers post things it is from this if you find some similarities. You DO know we have 7 million brothers all doing exactly what I am doing right?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2010 15:32:44 GMT -5
Big difference between being accused of googling, and calling someone satan's agent Hmm...You all told me you didn't read my uh...cut and pastes. So when do you and when don't you? Hey, what are JW's opinions on big bang, evolution, timeframe of dinosaurs, etc.?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on May 21, 2010 16:47:47 GMT -5
All of your responses come up verbatim in a Google search. I could post links to the sources of all your responses. They don't come from google searches. I already told you that. Jehovah's witnesses have a CD rom with everything covered on it. If other brothers post things it is from this if you find some similarities. You DO know we have 7 million brothers all doing exactly what I am doing right? Cutting/pasting from a cd-rom?
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Post by bane on May 21, 2010 20:12:42 GMT -5
Hmm...You all told me you didn't read my uh...cut and pastes. So when do you and when don't you? Hey, what are JW's opinions on big bang, evolution, timeframe of dinosaurs, etc.? Would you mind a cut and paste? I would rather not type out 3 pages... ;D
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Post by arnanderson on May 24, 2010 13:47:45 GMT -5
In reply to the first sentence: ![](http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/marxist_motherland__1.jpg) Like I said in my first reply back to you that my '60's counter culture argument counters yours. Who do you think they were? Liberals who were also Spiritual. You try and bring politics into it when there are both conservatives, and liberals that are both religious, and who are atheists. What the nazi's did was more then just race base, and religious base. They went after anyone who they didn't deem a proper human being, and anyone who opposed the nazi political party. America does believe in freedom of religion but that doesn't mean that we are not in wars because of religious matters. We are currently being attacked, and are in a war by extremist Islamic followers because we choose not to abide by their religion. And TONS of wars have happend because of religion, along with innocent people dieing because of it. Remember the Salem Witch trials that happend? And no religious wars simply are not political wars in disguise, because a lot of those wars they didn't use relgion as a excuse to take over somebody with a ulterior motive. Religious crusades was done simply to impose one's religion over anothers. And you would still be WRONG! Religions that cause people to not accept medical treatment or that murder people in the name of their religion are OFF THE CHARTS CRAZIER then anyone who is a atheist. How many wars have been started because of atheist group compared to religions who have started wars? What is the casuality rate. Religion has set back science, and political policies for centuries! People were persucted because they tried to make the world better, and smarter with facts, and science. If it wasn't for religion we wouldn't even be in our current war, nor would people have died in 9/11. Stem cell research would be allowed, as would gay rights. Yes they actually did. They had the same idea any faith had. We were put here on Earth from being created by God, or God's. They wanted to appease their religion, and it's just as crazy as like during our Salem Witch Trial days where innocent people were murdered because they were accused of something that went against their religion. I am Protestant, and though I theologically disagree with him, I respect BANE and admire his passion for his faith. I think people can learn a lot from the passion of JW's. I'd much rather befriend him than a radical anti-religion extremist. I haven't ever seen a atheist not allow medical treatment that would keep him, or she alive. Nor do I know any wars brought up by a atheist since they have no religion and the only thing they are against is having religion thrown in their faces. Bane is a example of a extremist that one shouldn't admire, nor should do the same as it is people of him who cling on every last word that has caused people to die, and wars that have also done so because they do not question what they read, they are like sheep who are told what to do, and then do it. They do not have a brain to make their own decisions or choices. He is likely one who would refuse a blood transfusion because he believes he shouldn't because of being a Jehovah Witnesses, and would die because of it. That is ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing scary, crazy, and stupid. I think anytime one has to pick out of anything that is extreme is a stupid thing to do because it is like picking which way you want to die. At the end you lose either way!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 15:30:32 GMT -5
In reply to the first sentence: ![](http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/marxist_motherland__1.jpg) Like I said in my first reply back to you that my '60's counter culture argument counters yours. Who do you think they were? Liberals who were also Spiritual. You try and bring politics into it when there are both conservatives, and liberals that are both religious, and who are atheists. What the nazi's did was more then just race base, and religious base. They went after anyone who they didn't deem a proper human being, and anyone who opposed the nazi political party. America does believe in freedom of religion but that doesn't mean that we are not in wars because of religious matters. We are currently being attacked, and are in a war by extremist Islamic followers because we choose not to abide by their religion. And TONS of wars have happend because of religion, along with innocent people dieing because of it. Remember the Salem Witch trials that happend? And no religious wars simply are not political wars in disguise, because a lot of those wars they didn't use relgion as a excuse to take over somebody with a ulterior motive. Religious crusades was done simply to impose one's religion over anothers. And you would still be WRONG! Religions that cause people to not accept medical treatment or that murder people in the name of their religion are OFF THE CHARTS CRAZIER then anyone who is a atheist. How many wars have been started because of atheist group compared to religions who have started wars? What is the casuality rate. Religion has set back science, and political policies for centuries! People were persucted because they tried to make the world better, and smarter with facts, and science. If it wasn't for religion we wouldn't even be in our current war, nor would people have died in 9/11. Stem cell research would be allowed, as would gay rights. Yes they actually did. They had the same idea any faith had. We were put here on Earth from being created by God, or God's. They wanted to appease their religion, and it's just as crazy as like during our Salem Witch Trial days where innocent people were murdered because they were accused of something that went against their religion. I am Protestant, and though I theologically disagree with him, I respect BANE and admire his passion for his faith. I think people can learn a lot from the passion of JW's. I'd much rather befriend him than a radical anti-religion extremist. I haven't ever seen a atheist not allow medical treatment that would keep him, or she alive. Nor do I know any wars brought up by a atheist since they have no religion and the only thing they are against is having religion thrown in their faces. Bane is a example of a extremist that one shouldn't admire, nor should do the same as it is people of him who cling on every last word that has caused people to die, and wars that have also done so because they do not question what they read, they are like sheep who are told what to do, and then do it. They do not have a brain to make their own decisions or choices. He is likely one who would refuse a blood transfusion because he believes he shouldn't because of being a Jehovah Witnesses, and would die because of it. That is ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing scary, crazy, and stupid. I think anytime one has to pick out of anything that is extreme is a stupid thing to do because it is like picking which way you want to die. At the end you lose either way! I agree that both liberals and conservatives, the religious and non-religious, have waged wars, murders, genocides, etc.; all I'm saying is that being a "non-religionist" does not make you exempt from waging war and being violent. Nazism was radically opposed to traditional Christianity; Jesus taught to share the faith, and move to the next town if it wasn't accepted; not to kill people based off of race. And by the way, Hitler and the Nazis heavily embraced Atheistic Darwinism; now obviously there are Christian Evolutionists/Darwinists who believe God caused evolution to happen, but the idea of non-God, "Naturalistic" Darwinism leads right up the Nazi ally of "survival of the greatest races." Look, I'm not defending Islam; Islam was very political in its early stages; take into the fact that it's a Semitic, Arabian religion created in the 7th century in Saudi Arabia, but so many empires were created in its name that conquered other areas (Semitic countries like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, etc., Egypt and other parts of Africa that now consider Arabic the major language, other parts of Africa in general, Austronesian language countries in Asia like Indonesia and Malaysia, Indo-Europeans language speaking countries and people groups like in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Persia, the Albanians, the Kurds, also the Turks, the Chechens, and tons of others), but it was political since the BEGINNING! Muhammad the Prophet was a conqueror himself! That isn't to say every conversion was forced or the result of conquering, and there are many Muslims today who do not believe in fighting or conquering and I completely believe that many Muslims engage in the beautiful traditions and general good life behavior that many Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. engage in. However, as far as Christianity is concerned, Jesus, a first century Semitic Hebrew HIMSELF said to lay down the sword and NOT fight in his name. Look, I'm not defending WHAT some religious people DO after they've begun to believe that we're here for a reason, I'm just criticizing the fact that atheists don't believe we're even here FOR a reason; believing we're here for a reason, to me, is much less insane than to believe that inorganic, nonliving matter somehow magically began to LIVE because of no cause whatsoever, creating the first single celled organism! I disagree with BANE's stance on not taking blood transfusions and all that, but in the end that's HIS decision for himself; he has that freedom in America. I have heard of JW's forcing their children not to take blood transfusions, and I do agree that that is over the top, but I don't know how far they take it with forcing the resistance of blood transfusions, on their children. In the end though, if BANE chooses on his own not take one for himself, that's HIS decision!
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Post by pineappleexpress on May 24, 2010 21:23:39 GMT -5
I'm a Buddhist.
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Post by arnanderson on May 25, 2010 13:44:29 GMT -5
I agree that both liberals and conservatives, the religious and non-religious, have waged wars, murders, genocides, etc.; all I'm saying is that being a "non-religionist" does not make you exempt from waging war and being violent. But there have been very little violence, and wars committed by non religious people in the name of being non religious compared to religious groups. More innocent people have been murdered due to religion, and more policies, and science have been pushed back because of it then without it. Why don't you look up and compare it. Then why did he use super natural advisers in the war? For someone who was atheist his party sure was interested in the Christian religion, and the super natural. The same can be said for the people who believe in creationism, and the amount of people who were murdered and persucted for being a non believer of that as well. Even in todays times religious folks are setting back science because of it. How much of that was copy and pasted? See you keep trying to combine religion and politics into the same thing which they are not. Islam started off as a religion FIRST, and FOREMOST! Which is how he got people to believe in it and start holy wars. That's the difference between political wars, and religious wars. Vietnam was a political war. The first Gulf War was a politcal war. WWII was a politcal war. Terrorists who fight in the name of their religion without a country who use their religion to wage war against non believers is a religious war! And yet that did not stop people from being butchered, now did it? I believe in God but atheists can easily critic that we are hear for no reason whatsoever, and for no purpose other then to make the most of life, and to remultiply. That isn't insane when you consider that when other living things die they just become food for other things. It is the circle of life. And to say that atheists are more crazy, and insane then the craziest religion is just stupid, and ignorant when you consider the amount of murders, and persuction done by religious groups. Yet you believe and have faith that someone was here all along? What is the difference between a atom that caused the big bang, and that God created all of this? After all scientists are able to recreate human body parts. If Scientists can do it, then why couldn't we have evolved from it? Apparently you do not know much about JW's as they don't believe in countries. They don't stand up for the national anthem so I don't know why you are using a country to back up his beliefs as he doesn't care much about them. It maybe his decision but it is a stupid, and crazy one. And people like him are the reason we are in a war right now with extremist religious people because we choose to not believe in their religion. They do not question their religion, but stick to every word no matter how wrong it maybe. And it is wrong to even agree with that type of passion because it makes yourself look ignorant, and stupid to agree with that type of stuff. And even if it is his decision it is truely a stupid, and crazy one and doesn't disallow people to state what is correct. Anyone who would rather die then live is pretty ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing stupid! And anyone who allows someone to kill themselves isn't to far off when you have the ability to try to reason with them with logic.
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Post by StingerSplash on May 25, 2010 13:50:56 GMT -5
^^^ Dude, seriously, get over yourself. You're contradicting yourself. You say you believe in God, but yet it seems like you're bashing religion. And to say that someone is pretty f'ing stupid, isn't exactly the best way to show you're Christian beliefs.
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Post by bencw on May 25, 2010 13:54:55 GMT -5
I don't follow a religion. I think religion causes most of the world's problems. Plus as many buses here say-'there's probably no such thing as god, so stop worrying and enjoy life', i try to do that.
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Post by arnanderson on May 25, 2010 13:57:52 GMT -5
^^^ Dude, seriously, get over yourself. You're contradicting yourself. You say you believe in God, but yet it seems like you're bashing religion. And to say that someone is pretty f'ing stupid, isn't exactly the best way to show you're Christian beliefs. Why can't you believe in God, and bash religion when terrible things have happen, are happening, or will happen in the future because of religion? News flash Stinger religion has caused a lot of deaths, and a lot of problems in this world because of it. You can put your head into the sand and try to make it all disappear but when you lift your head out of the sand guess what? It happend, and is happening, and will continue to happen. You may disagree with what I have to say but deep down you have to no it is right because it is right. And to talk about contradicting, and saying that it isn't the best way to be a Christian. HELLO!?!? Don't you remember when you caleld me a ignorant bunghole? That's REAL CHRISTIAN like of yourself! Nor did I ever mention my religion. But anyone who believes in the taking every last word, and killing themselves because of it is STUPID!!! That is a FACT!!! Do you honestly think killing yourself isn't STUPID!?!?
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Post by StingerSplash on May 25, 2010 14:06:44 GMT -5
^^^ Yeah, because calling someone ignorant and calling someone a f'ing idiot are so on the same level. ![::)](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/rolleyes.gif)
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