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Post by kc on May 30, 2010 13:12:53 GMT -5
sad to see rampage lose, i wanted to see him knockout rashad. crazy seeing deigo lose. i'm impressed with jason brillz after the fight with lil' nog, nice job for a replacement for forrest griffin. i did not expect miller/bisping to be a stand-up battle for pretty much the entire fight. nice ko from guillard. yeah, glad i didn't pay $50 for this.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 30, 2010 13:23:42 GMT -5
Awesome. Just great. Everybody's boy, Rampage took the L and people still can't give Rashad his due. He's GOT to be the most underrated headliner in the UFC right now. Rashad was the better fighter tonight. Mentally and physically. Sure Rampage rocked him, and deserves his due for that, but not even I thought Evans wasn't gonna get tagged at least once. Rashad fought a smart fight, while in my opinion avoiding his infamous lay and pray stigma. It's just funny to see how many people who are so called "fans" of the sport of MMA, seemingly revert back to being 15 year olds who only want to see first-round knockouts when their guy doesn't win. It wasn't a bad fight, it wasn't a boring fight, but since Rampage didn't win, it all of a suddden wasn't anything special. I agree Rashad was a better fighter tonight...it just sucks that there was such a big buildup....for pretty much nothing. really, is the ufc's own doing, they built this up as a huge grudge match that you had to buy, and it did not live up to that where was the hatred? where was all of Rashad's talk about putting Rampage to sleep? Where was Rampage's promise to knock out Rashad? And I still despise Rahsad. He's and arrogant SOB who has not done anything to warrant how much he runs his mouth So he's the former LHW champion via smashing Griffin's face in, a highlight reel KO of Chuck Liddell, G&P'd Jason Lambert to sleep, beaten Bisping, beaten a great fighter in Thiago Silva, and pretty much out classed Rampage in every way possible last night, and STILL has no right to be at least a little arrogant? But I'm sure Rampage gets to brag about all of his accomplishments, despite getting his face caved in on several occasions over in Japan, right? The biased logic of some of you guys really gets me at times.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on May 30, 2010 13:47:05 GMT -5
I agree Rashad was a better fighter tonight...it just sucks that there was such a big buildup....for pretty much nothing. really, is the ufc's own doing, they built this up as a huge grudge match that you had to buy, and it did not live up to that where was the hatred? where was all of Rashad's talk about putting Rampage to sleep? Where was Rampage's promise to knock out Rashad? And I still despise Rahsad. He's and arrogant SOB who has not done anything to warrant how much he runs his mouth So he's the former LHW champion via smashing Griffin's face in, a highlight reel KO of Chuck Liddell, G&P'd Jason Lambert to sleep, beaten Bisping, beaten a great fighter in Thiago Silva, and pretty much out classed Rampage in every way possible last night, and STILL has no right to be at least a little arrogant? But I'm sure Rampage gets to brag about all of his accomplishments, despite getting his face caved in on several occasions over in Japan, right? The biased logic of some of you guys really gets me at times. he layed and prayed on Thiago, Chuck is past his prime..he flat out beat Forrest, so I give him that one, but he didn't do much against Rampage to make me say, wow, he's a good fighter. And Lyoto destroyed him... TBH, Rampage connects on those ground shots (which he didn't watch the replay, he missed and punched the ground on several) and we don't even have this discussion, as Rashad would have been KTFO pot meet kettle, you are just as biased as anyone else and it doesn't matter, becaue Shogun will OWN Rashad.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 30, 2010 14:24:00 GMT -5
So he's the former LHW champion via smashing Griffin's face in, a highlight reel KO of Chuck Liddell, G&P'd Jason Lambert to sleep, beaten Bisping, beaten a great fighter in Thiago Silva, and pretty much out classed Rampage in every way possible last night, and STILL has no right to be at least a little arrogant? But I'm sure Rampage gets to brag about all of his accomplishments, despite getting his face caved in on several occasions over in Japan, right? The biased logic of some of you guys really gets me at times. he layed and prayed on Thiago, Chuck is past his prime..he flat out beat Forrest, so I give him that one, but he didn't do much against Rampage to make me say, wow, he's a good fighter. And Lyoto destroyed him... TBH, Rampage connects on those ground shots (which he didn't watch the replay, he missed and punched the ground on several) and we don't even have this discussion, as Rashad would have been KTFO pot meet kettle, you are just as biased as anyone else and it doesn't matter, becaue Shogun will OWN Rashad. Me? Biased? Absolutely not sir. As a matter of fact, if I were a betting man, I'd have lost tons of money last night. There's a difference in repsecting someone's talent and just crapping on them because you don't like them, which you are clearly doing. I'm not a Rampage fan, but I'll give him his due when it's deserved. Right now, it's not. Rashad beat him decisively and all people can say is "well, if 'Page would've....". Well he didn't and he lost. Never mind the "devastating fasion" that he was supposed to KO Rashad with. If Rampage had won AT ALL I'd be on here, first thing in the morning eating my words that Rashad would win. Silva is a great fighter with some very impressive wins under his belt. But Rashad beat him. Mad about the lay and pray? Don't leave it to the judged. Plain and simple. Thiago is my second favorite fighter, so tell me well the bias is there my friend. He beat Rampage. Maybe not with a showstopping KO, but he beat him with smart fighting, which goes way farther than a set of heavy hands any day.
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Post by James Hetfield on May 30, 2010 14:29:17 GMT -5
Well, the Brilz/Nogueira fight was a lot closer than people think. The first round was the key. It was the closest round. The thing about that fight is REVERSALS. Should they be counted? Should they not? Nogueira reversed Brilz on many occasions, and I'm sure the judges took that into consideration. I personally believe Brilz won the fight, but it WAS close. Seriously. Brilz earned my respect tonight for stepping up on 3 weeks notice against a VERY tough guy. And you CAN'T say Nogueria isn't tough, because he got hit was HUGE shots AND was caught in a VERY TIGHT guillotine choke, and didn't really show any sign of quitting. The fans SHOULD NOT have booed him, but gave him props too. The fans aren't judges, and neither are the fighters. About the whole "Lay and Pray" thing with Evans and Jackson, I don't like it one bit either. There was so much hype going into this fight, and it didn't really deliver all that much. I feel that Rampage DID NOT go in for the kill when Evans was NOTICEABLY hurt after he got up from being rocked. Wrestling is just part of the game. I did NOT like it at all, but what can you do? It is VERY boring but it's part of the game. It's just funny to me when people get all pissed off about when guys win with superior wrestling, but they don't complain one bit when people win with superior striking. Why? Because it's more exciting? Whatever. Wrestling is part of the game, and if that's honestly your only advantage, why not take it? Rampage was gone for a VERY long time, felt a lot of pressure from that fight because of the movie. FOX Films supposedly threatened Rampage with a lawsuit if he lost, and I bet he felt even extra pressure here. It even seemed to me Rampage was holding back a bit. He was gone for over a year and jumped into a big fight. I'm almost positive he'll be a bit more serious about fighting and come back stronger. Until then, get over it. A fight is a fight. And, yes. You mother ers better read this. Some of you need to hear it.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 30, 2010 14:37:08 GMT -5
Well, the Brilz/Nogueira fight was a lot closer than people think. The first round was the key. It was the closest round. The thing about that fight is REVERSALS. Should they be counted? Should they not? Nogueira reversed Brilz on many occasions, and I'm sure the judges took that into consideration. I personally believe Brilz won the fight, but it WAS close. Seriously. Brilz earned my respect tonight for stepping up on 3 weeks notice against a VERY tough guy. And you CAN'T say Nogueria isn't tough, because he got hit was HUGE shots AND was caught in a VERY TIGHT guillotine choke, and didn't really show any sign of quitting. The fans SHOULD NOT have booed him, but gave him props too. The fans aren't judges, and neither are the fighters. About the whole "Lay and Pray" thing with Evans and Jackson, I don't like it one bit either. There was so much hype going into this fight, and it didn't really deliver all that much. I feel that Rampage DID NOT go in for the kill when Evans was NOTICEABLY hurt after he got up from being rocked. Wrestling is just part of the game. I did NOT like it at all, but what can you do? It is VERY boring but it's part of the game. It's just funny to me when people get all pissed off about when guys win with superior wrestling, but they don't complain one bit when people win with superior striking. Why? Because it's more exciting? Whatever. Wrestling is part of the game, and if that's honestly your only advantage, why not take it? Rampage was gone for a VERY long time, felt a lot of pressure from that fight because of the movie. FOX Films supposedly threatened Rampage with a lawsuit if he lost, and I bet he felt even extra pressure here. It even seemed to me Rampage was holding back a bit. He was gone for over a year and jumped into a big fight. I'm almost positive he'll be a bit more serious about fighting and come back stronger. Until then, get over it. A fight is a fight. And, yes. You mother ers better read this. Some of you need to hear it. I actually agree with everything you've said here James. So if I'm one of the "mother****ers" that needed to read it, then I agree. ;D
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Post by ville on May 30, 2010 14:42:55 GMT -5
Well, the Brilz/Nogueira fight was a lot closer than people think. The first round was the key. It was the closest round. The thing about that fight is REVERSALS. Should they be counted? Should they not? Nogueira reversed Brilz on many occasions, and I'm sure the judges took that into consideration. I personally believe Brilz won the fight, but it WAS close. Seriously. Brilz earned my respect tonight for stepping up on 3 weeks notice against a VERY tough guy. And you CAN'T say Nogueria isn't tough, because he got hit was HUGE shots AND was caught in a VERY TIGHT guillotine choke, and didn't really show any sign of quitting. The fans SHOULD NOT have booed him, but gave him props too. The fans aren't judges, and neither are the fighters. About the whole "Lay and Pray" thing with Evans and Jackson, I don't like it one bit either. There was so much hype going into this fight, and it didn't really deliver all that much. I feel that Rampage DID NOT go in for the kill when Evans was NOTICEABLY hurt after he got up from being rocked. Wrestling is just part of the game. I did NOT like it at all, but what can you do? It is VERY boring but it's part of the game. It's just funny to me when people get all pissed off about when guys win with superior wrestling, but they don't complain one bit when people win with superior striking. Why? Because it's more exciting? Whatever. Wrestling is part of the game, and if that's honestly your only advantage, why not take it? Rampage was gone for a VERY long time, felt a lot of pressure from that fight because of the movie. FOX Films supposedly threatened Rampage with a lawsuit if he lost, and I bet he felt even extra pressure here. It even seemed to me Rampage was holding back a bit. He was gone for over a year and jumped into a big fight. I'm almost positive he'll be a bit more serious about fighting and come back stronger. Until then, get over it. A fight is a fight. And, yes. You mother ers better read this. Some of you need to hear it. I actually had Lil NOG winning because of the reversals. And back to the Rampage fight, I wanna know what Dana said to him at the post fight press confrence. The main thing that got Rampage was Rashads speed. Rashad got Rampage good early in the first round because of the spped. Also did it seem like Rampage wasn't trying the much to get off the cage? Or was that just me?
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Post by ville on May 30, 2010 14:48:18 GMT -5
So he's the former LHW champion via smashing Griffin's face in, a highlight reel KO of Chuck Liddell, G&P'd Jason Lambert to sleep, beaten Bisping, beaten a great fighter in Thiago Silva, and pretty much out classed Rampage in every way possible last night, and STILL has no right to be at least a little arrogant? But I'm sure Rampage gets to brag about all of his accomplishments, despite getting his face caved in on several occasions over in Japan, right? The biased logic of some of you guys really gets me at times. he layed and prayed on Thiago, Chuck is past his prime..he flat out beat Forrest, so I give him that one, but he didn't do much against Rampage to make me say, wow, he's a good fighter. And Lyoto destroyed him... TBH, Rampage connects on those ground shots (which he didn't watch the replay, he missed and punched the ground on several) and we don't even have this discussion, as Rashad would have been KTFO pot meet kettle, you are just as biased as anyone else and it doesn't matter, becaue Shogun will OWN Rashad. Chuck was winning that fight before he got caught, lay and praying is part of wrestling and that's Rashads "bread and butter", same with GSP., its part of MMA, go watch K-1. I agree it didn't live up to it hype but still none the less was a great fight! And he landed quite a few of the ground shot BTW.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on May 30, 2010 15:04:14 GMT -5
he layed and prayed on Thiago, Chuck is past his prime..he flat out beat Forrest, so I give him that one, but he didn't do much against Rampage to make me say, wow, he's a good fighter. And Lyoto destroyed him... TBH, Rampage connects on those ground shots (which he didn't watch the replay, he missed and punched the ground on several) and we don't even have this discussion, as Rashad would have been KTFO pot meet kettle, you are just as biased as anyone else and it doesn't matter, becaue Shogun will OWN Rashad. Chuck was winning that fight before he got caught, lay and praying is part of wrestling and that's Rashads "bread and butter", same with GSP., its part of MMA, go watch K-1. I agree it didn't live up to it hype but still none the less was a great fight! And he landed quite a few of the ground shot BTW. he missed at least the first three ground shots. they showed it on the replay I agree its part of the game, and for the most part i do not have a problem with it. I have a problem with using that match to say he's a bad mf'er. He worked a game plan, fine, doesn't make him super impressive. If Rashad was going to just lay and pray, he shouldn't have talked about knocking page out...it was obvious that was not his intention and, to top it all off...I don't have to like MMA for the reasons all of you do, nor do I have to be unbiased. Basically, I have 0 respect for Rashad, and will always root for him to get his lights put out...I'm not a big Page fan, he's ok. I respect GSP's ability to work his plan against Hardy...He said up front he was going to wrestle with Hardy, and he did... Rashad just leaned on Page the whole fight against the cage....snore...at least take him down,
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Post by The Champ is Here! on May 30, 2010 15:08:15 GMT -5
this is the same problem I have with Roy Nelson...he laid on people and talked like he was the bomb...do something, then talk
that being said, Roy has shown he can do more as well, by beating Schaub and Struve. I still don't like him, but he's good all around
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Post by James Hetfield on May 30, 2010 15:19:31 GMT -5
Roy is a legit Black Belt under Renzo Gracie. He's A LOT better than people think he is. Seriously.
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Post by James Hetfield on May 30, 2010 15:22:37 GMT -5
Interesting note about Nog/Brilz, FightMetric scored it a 29-29 draw under the 10 point system.
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Post by ville on May 30, 2010 15:22:56 GMT -5
Chuck was winning that fight before he got caught, lay and praying is part of wrestling and that's Rashads "bread and butter", same with GSP., its part of MMA, go watch K-1. I agree it didn't live up to it hype but still none the less was a great fight! And he landed quite a few of the ground shot BTW. he missed at least the first three ground shots. they showed it on the replay I agree its part of the game, and for the most part i do not have a problem with it. I have a problem with using that match to say he's a bad mf'er. He worked a game plan, fine, doesn't make him super impressive. If Rashad was going to just lay and pray, he shouldn't have talked about knocking page out...it was obvious that was not his intention and, to top it all off...I don't have to like MMA for the reasons all of you do, nor do I have to be unbiased. Basically, I have 0 respect for Rashad, and will always root for him to get his lights put out...I'm not a big Page fan, he's ok. I respect GSP's ability to work his plan against Hardy...He said up front he was going to wrestle with Hardy, and he did... Rashad just leaned on Page the whole fight against the cage....snore...at least take him down, Actually to me, sticking to the game plan is hard to do so props to Rashad that its self is impressive. As far as Rashad saying he was gonna knock him out was just to hype it. Everyone knew he was gonna do what he did. It's not there job to put on an exciting fight for some sitting at home talking shit. There job is to go out and fight. It's a Pro Wrestlers job to entertain someone.
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Post by Lk™ on May 30, 2010 15:23:24 GMT -5
yeah, the fight was great it had its ups and downs and was pretty even i'd say. the key was rashads wrestling obviously, so hopefully he does face shogun. i don't know whats next for rampage though. maybe machida? personally i'd be interested in a fight with jon jones. Jones is fighting Matyushenko(?) on the next UFC Live On Versus. that's right, forgot about that.
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Post by ville on May 30, 2010 15:23:50 GMT -5
Interesting note about Nog/Brilz, FightMetric scored it a 29-29 draw under the 10 point system. My dad thoguht it would be a Draw. Wouldn't supprise me.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on May 30, 2010 15:33:19 GMT -5
he missed at least the first three ground shots. they showed it on the replay I agree its part of the game, and for the most part i do not have a problem with it. I have a problem with using that match to say he's a bad mf'er. He worked a game plan, fine, doesn't make him super impressive. If Rashad was going to just lay and pray, he shouldn't have talked about knocking page out...it was obvious that was not his intention and, to top it all off...I don't have to like MMA for the reasons all of you do, nor do I have to be unbiased. Basically, I have 0 respect for Rashad, and will always root for him to get his lights put out...I'm not a big Page fan, he's ok. I respect GSP's ability to work his plan against Hardy...He said up front he was going to wrestle with Hardy, and he did... Rashad just leaned on Page the whole fight against the cage....snore...at least take him down, Actually to me, sticking to the game plan is hard to do so props to Rashad that its self is impressive. As far as Rashad saying he was gonna knock him out was just to hype it. Everyone knew he was gonna do what he did. It's not there job to put on an exciting fight for some sitting at home talking poop. There job is to go out and fight. It's a Pro Wrestlers job to entertain someone. not quite...if they don't entertain...people don't buy. I mean, lets compare this to say...NFL...if I'm not entertained by the game, I don't watch
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Post by ville on May 30, 2010 15:37:12 GMT -5
Actually to me, sticking to the game plan is hard to do so props to Rashad that its self is impressive. As far as Rashad saying he was gonna knock him out was just to hype it. Everyone knew he was gonna do what he did. It's not there job to put on an exciting fight for some sitting at home talking poop. There job is to go out and fight. It's a Pro Wrestlers job to entertain someone. not quite...if they don't entertain...people don't buy. I mean, lets compare this to say...NFL...if I'm not entertained by the game, I don't watch See and as an average MMA fan I will buy and be entertained by it. Same reason people will watch a Basketball even if it is boring, they are fans of the sport.
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Post by James Hetfield on May 30, 2010 15:38:03 GMT -5
People will buy UFC no matter what. Even if the fight was a complete utter joke, which it wasn't, people would have bought anyway because of the hype. If it can be hyped up, people will buy the event no matter what.
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Post by moogie101 on May 30, 2010 15:50:02 GMT -5
Apart from ONE punch Rampage did nothing. Don't knock Rashad for landing the shots standing up, controlling the fight against the cage & scoring takedowns. Clearly won & Rampage yet again shows he's nothing but a come forward puncher nowadays.
Plus the Duffee hype train got KTFO & Bisping won in a strong standup fight. Oh & Hathaway rolled right through Diego.
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Post by everyonewantshead on May 30, 2010 16:06:07 GMT -5
Well I hope Rashad can beat Shogun..... but that's not likely.
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