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Post by James Hetfield on May 30, 2010 16:06:47 GMT -5
Even if Rashad can get Shogun down, he'll get swept faster than Lyoto did.
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Post by Lk™ on May 30, 2010 16:12:20 GMT -5
personally i think the rashad now is much better than the rashad that machida beat. i think rashad would have a better chance at shogun than machida did.
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Post by James Hetfield on May 30, 2010 16:15:50 GMT -5
How is he better? Because he uses his wrestling more now?
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Post by BasedGod on May 30, 2010 16:34:18 GMT -5
How is he better? Because he uses his wrestling more now? I wouldnt even consider it "because he uses his wrestling more now". It was just the obvious strategy to use against rampage knowing his good stand up game. Sadly, Rashad even outclassed him in that aspect of the fight last night. Props for him staying conscious in the third round lol.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 30, 2010 16:51:16 GMT -5
Chuck was winning that fight before he got caught, lay and praying is part of wrestling and that's Rashads "bread and butter", same with GSP., its part of MMA, go watch K-1. I agree it didn't live up to it hype but still none the less was a great fight! And he landed quite a few of the ground shot BTW. he missed at least the first three ground shots. they showed it on the replay I agree its part of the game, and for the most part i do not have a problem with it. I have a problem with using that match to say he's a bad mf'er. He worked a game plan, fine, doesn't make him super impressive. If Rashad was going to just lay and pray, he shouldn't have talked about knocking page out...it was obvious that was not his intention and, to top it all off...I don't have to like MMA for the reasons all of you do, nor do I have to be unbiased. Basically, I have 0 respect for Rashad, and will always root for him to get his lights put out...I'm not a big Page fan, he's ok. I respect GSP's ability to work his plan against Hardy...He said up front he was going to wrestle with Hardy, and he did... Rashad just leaned on Page the whole fight against the cage....snore...at least take him down, Umm, what do you call that lunging shot early in the 1st that almost floored Rampage? Rashad tried to G&P him for the finish on more than one occasion so don't say that he never tried to finish, or never tried to KO him at all. That just makes it seem like we were watching a different fight. What made the fight interesting for me? Honestly, it wasn't that Rashad won. It was the fact that not only was he still concious by the middle of the second round, he actually seemed to be winning the fight. No one expected it. Joe Rogan can yell that everyone had it 50/50 all he wants. The commentary's reaction after Rashad actually won the fight says how they really thought it was going down. Also, Roy Nelson proves that he's better by KOing Shaub and Struve. Rashad has man handled the likes of Jason Lambert and knocked him unconcious, and beat the living turd out of Forest Griffin, beaten Thiago Silva and Michael Bisping, and he's still nothing special. You see where I'm going with this? I don't care if you're biased (as it's clear that you are) because we all can be that way towards or agaist certain fighters. But not giving him his due as a fighter, and as a true top tier contender is totally different.
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Post by James Hetfield on May 30, 2010 16:52:33 GMT -5
Well, Rampage has pretty much always been a brawler type. He never engages in a clinch and just goes after his opponent and tries to knock them out. Shogun is dangerous in the clinch, and dangerous on the ground. Shogun even outclassed Lyoto in both of their fights standing up, and swept Lyoto off his back.
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Post by Adam235 on May 30, 2010 16:54:10 GMT -5
Very surprised to see that Rashad won and also that Duffee got knocked out...
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on May 30, 2010 16:56:13 GMT -5
Well, Rampage has pretty much always been a brawler type. He never engages in a clinch and just goes after his opponent and tries to knock them out. Shogun is dangerous in the clinch, and dangerous on the ground. Shogun even outclassed Lyoto in both of their fights standing up, and swept Lyoto off his back. Yeah, Rashad v Shogun is not a fight I'd bet on Rashad in. Even though he's my favorite fighter, I'm not sure what plan he could implement against the likes of Shogun. Especially since he's been steamrolled by Lyoto already. But this fight gives me faith that he'll at least come prepared.
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Post by ville on May 30, 2010 17:23:06 GMT -5
I'm gonna love Shogun vs Rashad.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on May 30, 2010 18:18:51 GMT -5
Umm, what do you call that lunging shot early in the 1st that almost floored Rampage? Rashad tried to G&P him for the finish on more than one occasion so don't say that he never tried to finish, or never tried to KO him at all. That just makes it seem like we were watching a different fight. What made the fight interesting for me? Honestly, it wasn't that Rashad won. It was the fact that not only was he still concious by the middle of the second round, he actually seemed to be winning the fight. No one expected it. Joe Rogan can yell that everyone had it 50/50 all he wants. The commentary's reaction after Rashad actually won the fight says how they really thought it was going down. Also, Roy Nelson proves that he's better by KOing Shaub and Struve. Rashad has man handled the likes of Jason Lambert and knocked him unconcious, and beat the living turd out of Forest Griffin, beaten Thiago Silva and Michael Bisping, and he's still nothing special. You see where I'm going with this? I don't care if you're biased (as it's clear that you are) because we all can be that way towards or agaist certain fighters. But not giving him his due as a fighter, and as a true top tier contender is totally different. the lunging shot was rampage slipping. was it a good shot? yes, but everyone I was watching with even saw that it was Page slipping please tell me where Rashad tried to do some GnP..I must have missed that. Who did Lambert beat? exactly as I said. I hated Nelson because He laid on people, and acted like he was tough stuff...well he knocked out two people and now he still acts that way...still don't like him, but proved he can do more than lay on people. Rashad started his career but hasn't done anything worth running his mouth over...He's got 2 big wins in his career worth him getting a big head over, that being Chuck and Forrest. As I said before, big whoop he beat Thiago...he laid on him for 3 rounds, it means diddly now, if Rashad beats Shogun, I'll be the first guy on here to say as much as I hate the guy and have no respect for him, he's done enough to run his mouth until then, I will continue to say he needs to shut up, and hasn't done anything worth him acting like he's so bad
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Post by ville on May 30, 2010 18:24:06 GMT -5
Umm, what do you call that lunging shot early in the 1st that almost floored Rampage? Rashad tried to G&P him for the finish on more than one occasion so don't say that he never tried to finish, or never tried to KO him at all. That just makes it seem like we were watching a different fight. What made the fight interesting for me? Honestly, it wasn't that Rashad won. It was the fact that not only was he still concious by the middle of the second round, he actually seemed to be winning the fight. No one expected it. Joe Rogan can yell that everyone had it 50/50 all he wants. The commentary's reaction after Rashad actually won the fight says how they really thought it was going down. Also, Roy Nelson proves that he's better by KOing Shaub and Struve. Rashad has man handled the likes of Jason Lambert and knocked him unconcious, and beat the living turd out of Forest Griffin, beaten Thiago Silva and Michael Bisping, and he's still nothing special. You see where I'm going with this? I don't care if you're biased (as it's clear that you are) because we all can be that way towards or agaist certain fighters. But not giving him his due as a fighter, and as a true top tier contender is totally different. the lunging shot was rampage slipping. was it a good shot? yes, but everyone I was watching with even saw that it was Page slipping please tell me where Rashad tried to do some GnP..I must have missed that. Who did Lambert beat? exactly as I said. I hated Nelson because He laid on people, and acted like he was tough stuff...well he knocked out two people and now he still acts that way...still don't like him, but proved he can do more than lay on people. Rashad started his career but hasn't done anything worth running his mouth over...He's got 2 big wins in his career worth him getting a big head over, that being Chuck and Forrest. As I said before, big whoop he beat Thiago...he laid on him for 3 rounds, it means diddly now, if Rashad beats Shogun, I'll be the first guy on here to say as much as I hate the guy and have no respect for him, he's done enough to run his mouth until then, I will continue to say he needs to shut up, and hasn't done anything worth him acting like he's so bad That whole post makes you look like an idiot. Rampage didn't slip. That was a legit shot that rocked Page(and thats coming from probably the biggest Rampage fan on the board). Rashad was more active than most people think.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on May 30, 2010 18:58:18 GMT -5
That whole post makes you look like an idiot. Rampage didn't slip. That was a legit shot that rocked Page(and thats coming from probably the biggest Rampage fan on the board). Rashad was more active than most people think. I frankly don't care if a 16 year old on an internet forum thinks i look like an idiot when I post something, there are several posts made by tons of people on here every day that make them look like an idiot...i also don't care if you were 24 or 48, your opinion means jack to me I'm not saying he didn't hit him, but he slipped, it was obvious. Yeah Joe Rogan flipped out saying he got rocked, but Joe tends to flip out on tons of stuff, and miss things the only point i have been trying to make is that Rashad talks to much considering what he has done all that being said, Rampage did not deserve to win that fight, because he let Rashad come back after he pounded him
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Post by kurtangleisgod on May 31, 2010 2:10:42 GMT -5
I love these so called "boring" fights. It's what the sport is, and if you don't like/respect it, off and stop complaining. Jesus, at least Pride fans for the most part aren't complete idiots. This poop is why I don't bother watching UFC much anymore So you stopped watching the UFC because you have a problem with some of the fans of the UFC? Sounds like you're punishing yourself to prove a point to other people. It's because Dana White is essentially the same. He hates hte lay and pray stuff.
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Post by ville on May 31, 2010 8:22:29 GMT -5
So you stopped watching the UFC because you have a problem with some of the fans of the UFC? Sounds like you're punishing yourself to prove a point to other people. It's because Dana White is essentially the same. He hates hte lay and pray stuff. Wich is why Dana said he liked the fight?
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Post by fattic on May 31, 2010 11:58:05 GMT -5
So happy I went out and watched this PPV rather than ordered it at home. Very lackluster, in my opinion.
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Post by ville on May 31, 2010 12:17:50 GMT -5
So happy I went out and watched this PPV rather than ordered it at home. Very lackluster, in my opinion. WTF? How can you say it was lackluster? Rogério Nogueira vs Brilz was just plain awsome! Russow KO'ing Duffee was out of the ing blue! Bisping vs Miller was a war.
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Post by Sandy on May 31, 2010 12:36:40 GMT -5
HAHA....
oh my.
I feel like everything that isn't supposed to happen in MMA is happening right now..
I watched that fight and Rampage looked like sh**.
He kind of reminded me of how Diego Sanchez was during the BJ Penn fight. Ever since Rashad tagged him in the opening moments of the first round Rampage seemed scared to pull the trigger. I am not taking anything away from Rashad though, he looked amazing. His gameplan was executed perfectly and he seemed quicker than he usually looks which is pretty damn impressive.
But this whole year I have been pretty sh***y when it comes to picking who is going to win...I think I'm going to have to say that Shane Carwin is going to beat Brock and Chael is going to beat Anderson. I would never pick either guy to win those fights but honestly as of late I wouldn't be shocked by either result.
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Post by Sandy on May 31, 2010 12:39:15 GMT -5
oh and on a side note Melvin Guillard looked amazing. That guy is a scary fight for anyone. A focused Melvin off the cocaine is a very scary thing.
and Michael Bispings fight looked like a typical Bisping fight. I can't believe he is calling out Anderson. I love when these fighters call out Anderson when they haven't even beaten a name yet.
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Post by ville on May 31, 2010 12:52:24 GMT -5
HAHA.... oh my. I feel like everything that isn't supposed to happen in MMA is happening right now.. I watched that fight and Rampage looked like sh**. He kind of reminded me of how Diego Sanchez was during the BJ Penn fight. Ever since Rashad tagged him in the opening moments of the first round Rampage seemed scared to pull the trigger. I am not taking anything away from Rashad though, he looked amazing. His gameplan was executed perfectly and he seemed quicker than he usually looks which is pretty damn impressive. But this whole year I have been pretty sh***y when it comes to picking who is going to win...I think I'm going to have to say that Shane Carwin is going to beat Brock and Chael is going to beat Anderson. I would never pick either guy to win those fights but honestly as of late I wouldn't be shocked by either result. Chael beats Anderson then i'll delete my account lol, that would shock the crapout me. I mean I can see Carwin beating Lesnar after the sickness of Lenar, that might play into it. However I think all this Carwin hype will die at 116. But I CAN NOT see Chael beating Anderson, I think Anderson can be beat and will be beat before he retiers but not by Chael.
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Post by Sandy on May 31, 2010 13:58:17 GMT -5
I can't either...as you can tell by my sig I am a huge Anderson Silva fan....me saying Chael would beat him is just me basically saying I have no f***ing clue what is going to happen in future fights...
hell...with the way things are going I wouldn't be shocked if Liddell KO'd Franklin and worked his way up to a title shot again...things are just insane right now in the world of MMA.
I just read on mmanews.com that Dana White said Rampage's next fight might be MACHIDA!
wow.....
if Rampage had trouble with Rashad's speed I can't begin to think what kind of trouble he would be in against Machida.
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