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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 24, 2010 4:44:58 GMT -5
liked his victory for the IC belt over Honky Tonk......liked his feud with Rude and the Heenan family........ but thats about it. love his action figures though!! I'm with you there. Despite my feelings on the man, he might have the best-looking figs of any wrestler. |
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Post by y2josh on Jul 24, 2010 7:03:00 GMT -5
I honestly don't remember many Warrior moments from my childhood. I was an avowed Hulkamaniac, so the Warrior was my enemy. I do remember hating this kid in like, 3rd grade, 'cause he had a Warrior backpack. My Hogan lunchbox shoulda jobbed him out!
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Post by slappy on Jul 25, 2010 1:57:30 GMT -5
Worst comeback ever. "You see if you can do better." That's just bullpoop. I hope you never criticized an actor or another wrestler, because you can't do better than them. See, it's just bullpoop. Warrior had crap matches, his promo's were among the worst ever. Just like Jeff Hardy. How is it bullpoop? I said no one criticizing Jeff Hardy could step in that ring and do any better, how is that bullpoop? It's true. And as far as Jeff Hardy's promos are concerned, yes they are horrible, I never denied that, but I believe much of the Warrior's stuff was very good and at the least, entertaining. I know I would much rather watch Warrior speak than 90% of the roster currently. He had intensity, charisma, something that is not present in many wrestlers. Because it's the worst comeback ever. "Oh you do better" I hope you never criticize someone like that, because you can't do better. I'm sure you have criticized someone in another profession and that you wouldn't be able to do better than them. See how it's bullshit? His promo's were just jumbles of words and loudness. I'd rather listen to a Great Khali promo than Warrior. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jul 25, 2010 12:37:22 GMT -5
Warrior > Hogan
That's right, I said it. Wanna fight about it?
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Jul 25, 2010 12:52:16 GMT -5
Warrior > Hogan That's right, I said it. Wanna fight about it? But that ain't saying much. As for Queen, I always hated the "you do better" argument. For example, I see you crappign on modern music ALL THE TIME on the entertainment board. Now most people who play what you consider to be sh***y music, can probably strum a guitar and beat a drum 20 times better than you. But that doesn't mean you can't critique them, nor does it stop you. I remember loving Warrior as a kid, but losing all respect for him after figuring out what an idiot he is. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jul 25, 2010 17:40:39 GMT -5
He was awesome back in the day. Remember, if was a different era back then, so his character and wrestling style fit perfectly. I don't think The Warrior was as bad as some people let on. There have been FAR worse wrestlers than The Ultimate Warrior.
Overall, I thought he was great back in the day. Very exciting, that's for sure. Plus, his music was awesome.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Jul 25, 2010 18:33:26 GMT -5
Wow, leave it to the IWC to slight the Ultimate Warrior, one of the most over babyfaces in the history of professional wrestling. What he lacked in in-ring ability, he more than made up for with unbelievable charisma.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jul 25, 2010 21:44:29 GMT -5
Wow, leave it to the IWC to slight the Ultimate Warrior, one of the most over babyfaces in the history of professional wrestling. What he lacked in in-ring ability, he more than made up for with unbelievable charisma. Yep, pretty much. When I was a kid, I could careless about his wrestling ability, he was just so awesome to watch and that's all I cared about. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 25, 2010 22:43:17 GMT -5
Warrior > Hogan That's right, I said it. Wanna fight about it? I'd say about the same. Both had lots of charisma and good looks. On the mic, both came across with great energy, but Hogan was often repetitive and Warrior was often incoherent. In the ring, Warrior was faster and a little more agile. He was also very, very, very clumsy. The guy was a walking blown spot. Hogan had a little better understanding of match structure but, like Warrior, usually fell into the isolated power move type of match. Call it a push. I don't like either one. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jul 26, 2010 0:18:22 GMT -5
Warrior > Hogan That's right, I said it. Wanna fight about it? I'd say about the same. Both had lots of charisma and good looks. On the mic, both came across with great energy, but Hogan was often repetitive and Warrior was often incoherent. In the ring, Warrior was faster and a little more agile. He was also very, very, very clumsy. The guy was a walking blown spot. Hogan had a little better understanding of match structure but, like Warrior, usually fell into the isolated power move type of match. Call it a push. I don't like either one. Part of the reason I always like Warrior more than Hogan, was mostly because Warrior always had different colored gear and face paint, but Hogan was always the same red and yellow. Hogan bored me whereas Warrior entertained me. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 26, 2010 0:49:42 GMT -5
I'd say about the same. Both had lots of charisma and good looks. On the mic, both came across with great energy, but Hogan was often repetitive and Warrior was often incoherent. In the ring, Warrior was faster and a little more agile. He was also very, very, very clumsy. The guy was a walking blown spot. Hogan had a little better understanding of match structure but, like Warrior, usually fell into the isolated power move type of match. Call it a push. I don't like either one. Part of the reason I always like Warrior more than Hogan, was mostly because Warrior always had different colored gear and face paint, but Hogan was always the same red and yellow. Hogan bored me whereas Warrior entertained me. I'll agree on that point, which is why I think Warrior has some of the best figures on the market. Warrior's appearance was the strongest aspect of the character and Hellwig optimized it. It wasn't just his tights either. He had memorable jackets, boots, wristbands. |
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Post by LeighD on Jul 26, 2010 6:12:05 GMT -5
IMO Warrior fit perfectly into the late-80s/early-90s of wrestling. Those were the days of gimmicks and guys being larger-than-life superheros. Warrior was a superhero to a lot of people. He had energy, colorful attires, and strength. He was awesome during those years.
Myfavorite feud he evr had was with Rick Rude over the IC title. Their matches at WM V and SummerSlam'89 were great the latte rbeing one of my all-time favorites! I think had they feuded again in 1990-1991 for the World title, Warrior's reign would've looked stronger.
Other favorite moments:
- WM VI, enough said
- WM VII & SummerSlam '92 matches against Randy Savage
- 1996 return at WM XII
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Post by LA Times on Jul 26, 2010 12:47:55 GMT -5
-Shaking the ropes
-Ending Brother Love's career
-Vs Hulk Hogan at WMVI and his promos for the match
-Teaming up with Hulk Hogan at Survivor Series 1990 and Summerslam 1991, creating the best team ever was, best team ever made
-Ruining HHH's first Wrestlemania at WMXII and HHH still crying over it years later
-Vs Isaac Yankem Raw Apr 1996
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Post by LA Times on Jul 26, 2010 12:53:21 GMT -5
He was awesome back in the day. Remember, if was a different era back then, so his character and wrestling style fit perfectly. I don't think The Warrior was as bad as some people let on. There have been FAR worse wrestlers than The Ultimate Warrior. Overall, I thought he was great back in the day. Very exciting, that's for sure. Plus, his music was awesome. A guy like the Ultimate Warrior was tailor-made for stardom in the late 80s/early 90s. Big, strong, crazy, wild hair, neon ring attire. All the fans who bash him were probably like 2 yrs old at the time of his popularity. |
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Post by slappy on Jul 26, 2010 15:56:08 GMT -5
He was awesome back in the day. Remember, if was a different era back then, so his character and wrestling style fit perfectly. I don't think The Warrior was as bad as some people let on. There have been FAR worse wrestlers than The Ultimate Warrior. Overall, I thought he was great back in the day. Very exciting, that's for sure. Plus, his music was awesome. A guy like the Ultimate Warrior was tailor-made for stardom in the late 80s/early 90s. Big, strong, crazy, wild hair, neon ring attire. All the fans who bash him were probably like 2 yrs old at the time of his popularity. Doesn't mean I can't look back and tell you how much he sucked. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 26, 2010 16:07:02 GMT -5
Its topics like this that make me hate wrestling fans. Back in 1990 though this man was a GOD. But because Vince released a DVD bashing Warrior, every 12 year old with 20 bucks thinks they know the whole story regarding Warrior.
Was the guy an A-Hole? Maybe, Who isnt? Did the guy have passion for wrestling? Thats debatable, I say he had it in unique ways. If you ask me, it would take an awfull lot of dedication to put on the costume he wore day in and day out. The guy knew he wasnt tecnically sound, so he emphasized other areas and like it or not IT WORKED.
And anyone who says Warriors WCW promo is bad, obviously hasnt listened to it and listens to Vince and Hogan WAY too much. I have many friends who HATE the Warrior and even they say its one of the better promos in wrestling.
People who were'nt wrestling fans back in the early 90;s wont ever see it with Warrior. It was a different time and if you ever want proof, Look at Hogan.
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Post by perfectplex on Jul 26, 2010 17:39:40 GMT -5
If you were not around during his era than it would be extremely difficult to rate him as a performer. I can tell you from experience that in his prime he was absolutely one of the most popular superstars of his time. Everyone I know went crazy over him, the kids loved him. He was absolutely over in every sense of the word. I don't know how most of you judge wrestling performances, but there are many different styles that FIT A PERFORMERS LOOK AND PERSONALITY. Everyone is not a ring general or technician.
Ultimate Warrior was electricity and power. He exuded that with every performance. How the hell can any of us judge his passion or love of the business. He worked extremely hard on his persona to bring it to the level he achieved. Warrior was extremely athletic for his size, and had a move set perfectly tailored for his character.
I don't get why little kids come on here after watching a couple youtube clips of his interviews or matches and say he sucks. You can hate him as a person, but you would be incredibly short sighted to attack him as a performer.
Like I said, unless you grew up in that era, you would really have no idea how huge his impact on the wrestling world was.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 26, 2010 19:04:28 GMT -5
If you were not around during his era than it would be extremely difficult to rate him as a performer. I can tell you from experience that in his prime he was absolutely one of the most popular superstars of his time. Everyone I know went crazy over him, the kids loved him. He was absolutely over in every sense of the word. I don't know how most of you judge wrestling performances, but there are many different styles that FIT A PERFORMERS LOOK AND PERSONALITY. Everyone is not a ring general or technician. Ultimate Warrior was electricity and power. He exuded that with every performance. How the hell can any of us judge his passion or love of the business. He worked extremely hard on his persona to bring it to the level he achieved. Warrior was extremely athletic for his size, and had a move set perfectly tailored for his character. I don't get why little kids come on here after watching a couple youtube clips of his interviews or matches and say he sucks. You can hate him as a person, but you would be incredibly short sighted to attack him as a performer. Like I said, unless you grew up in that era, you would really have no idea how huge his impact on the wrestling world was. Thankyou Thankyou THANKYOU!!! Couldnt have said it better myself. I really dont understand why people would have rather seen Warrior use proper english and wristlocks...To me that wasnt what he was all about. Sometimes I wonder how much of wrestling people actually understand. |
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Post by slappy on Jul 26, 2010 19:15:43 GMT -5
If you were not around during his era than it would be extremely difficult to rate him as a performer. I can tell you from experience that in his prime he was absolutely one of the most popular superstars of his time. Everyone I know went crazy over him, the kids loved him. He was absolutely over in every sense of the word. I don't know how most of you judge wrestling performances, but there are many different styles that FIT A PERFORMERS LOOK AND PERSONALITY. Everyone is not a ring general or technician. Ultimate Warrior was electricity and power. He exuded that with every performance. How the hell can any of us judge his passion or love of the business. He worked extremely hard on his persona to bring it to the level he achieved. Warrior was extremely athletic for his size, and had a move set perfectly tailored for his character. I don't get why little kids come on here after watching a couple youtube clips of his interviews or matches and say he sucks. You can hate him as a person, but you would be incredibly short sighted to attack him as a performer. Like I said, unless you grew up in that era, you would really have no idea how huge his impact on the wrestling world was. "it would be extremely difficult to rate him as a performer." Not really. I can watch old matches and determine if someone is good or not. Are you saying that I'm not able to go back to say, oh, Buddy Rogers and watch matches upon matches of his and rate him as a performer, because I was not alive for his run? |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 26, 2010 22:35:59 GMT -5
Its topics like this that make me hate wrestling fans. Back in 1990 though this man was a GOD. But because Vince released a DVD bashing Warrior, every 12 year old with 20 bucks thinks they know the whole story regarding Warrior. Was the guy an A-Hole? Maybe, Who isnt? Did the guy have passion for wrestling? Thats debatable, I say he had it in unique ways. If you ask me, it would take an awfull lot of dedication to put on the costume he wore day in and day out. The guy knew he wasnt tecnically sound, so he emphasized other areas and like it or not IT WORKED. And anyone who says Warriors WCW promo is bad, obviously hasnt listened to it and listens to Vince and Hogan WAY too much. I have many friends who HATE the Warrior and even they say its one of the better promos in wrestling. People who were'nt wrestling fans back in the early 90;s wont ever see it with Warrior. It was a different time and if you ever want proof, Look at Hogan. I saw Warrior's career including his Blade Runner days. I don't deny that the Warrior was unique and had marketable appeal. Yet I criticized WWE for giving him in the title in 1990 and I've kept that stance for 20 years. People used to ask me to do my Ultimate Warrior impression when I was in high school. I often remember saying, when asked how long it took me to master it, that the only hard part was getting the tone and inflection right. After that, all I needed to do was shout random words and it sounded like a Warrior promo. As far as his ring work, the perfect example of why WWE should not have tried to build around him can be found at WM5. He does a back-breaker on Rick Rude, tries to stand up with Rude, stumbles around like a drunk, and the two guys end up tangled in the ropes. They almost fell out of the ring. Talk about a facepalm moment! I didn't need the Self-Destruction DVD to call my attention to how uncoordinated Warrior was. |
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