500DaysofNight
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Aug 8, 2010 23:01:57 GMT -5
The people who are saying this PPV was horrible obviously haven't seen many of the other PPV's from this year. It totally killed Wrestlemania and any other WWE PPV this year except for MITB. It's the best thing TNA has show in in quite some time as well. For whoever said that this was worse than December to Dismember is on "teh needle dope". This is how stuff gets started becasue people cant just make a comment about the show, they have to make cutting remarks to the group or individuals No, it's comments like "OMG it wuz the worst PPV EVAR!!!" that gets stuff started. It's like 95% of the people that knew good and well that they WEREN'T gonna enjoy it in the first place, watched it anyway just so they can complain about it later.
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Post by No Brokeback on Aug 8, 2010 23:02:15 GMT -5
So, bringing ECW back to please that ECW wrestlers to get some closure, which apparently you think are a bunch of 'retards' is a mistake for TNA?
I'm sorry if you dislike ECW, you shouldn't be posting in the topic then, right? I mean...it doesn't make sense. What would you possibly have to add, other than more negativity, considering you hate ECW and the fans that enjoy it?
Wasting time much?
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Post by LtD73 on Aug 8, 2010 23:05:08 GMT -5
this thread > the ppv
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:07:19 GMT -5
This is how stuff gets started becasue people cant just make a comment about the show, they have to make cutting remarks to the group or individuals No, it's comments like "OMG it wuz the worst PPV EVAR!!!" that gets stuff started. It's like 95% of the people that knew good and well that they WEREN'T gonna enjoy it in the first place, watched it anyway just so they can complain about it later. People have a right to voice their opinion on this or anything. The problem is, for whatever reason, people get offended and take it to heart. Seriously, if I have a negative opinion of TNA or ECW, why do you have to take it so personally? It's not like we're saying negative things about you or your family, we're voicing our dissatisfaction with the product. And for the record, I watched the PPV because of my friend, he loves ECW and really wanted to watch it, but I made fun of pretty much the whole thing because it was so stupid.
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 8, 2010 23:07:42 GMT -5
So, bringing ECW back to please that ECW wrestlers to get some closure, which apparently you think are a bunch of 'retards' is a mistake for TNA? I'm sorry if you dislike ECW, you shouldn't be posting in the topic then, right? I mean...it doesn't make sense. What would you possibly have to add, other than more negativity, considering you hate ECW and the fans that enjoy it? Wasting time much? What an Idiotic statement. This is the thread where you discuss the HCJ PPV, not only post if you enjoyed it. We are simply talking about why we believe the show sucked, if you have a problem with that then maybe you need to get out yourself. The ones who disliked the show really arent starting anything, maybe 1 or 2 with SG but thats all, other than that its the people bitching about our opinions.
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Post by squaredcircleactionfigs on Aug 8, 2010 23:09:55 GMT -5
The majority of people on here are so disgruntled with the professional wrestling industry they cannot appreciate anything. Why do you even comment or watch wrestling anymore? Anyway, after a 10 year absence from PPV, in my opinion the ppv, for the limitations it was faced with (one-night contracts and insurance liabilities), was good. My three point analysis. First, the matches were solid, not great, but solid. The quirky humor in the matches played to really old school ECW and made up for ring rust. Second, the booking was great if compared with the booking of old ECW house events. You had random wrestlers face each other who put on solid matches. In addition, the matches played into historical angles. Third, I loved the fan intensity. Great fan response can make the worst of matches watchable. Remember not ALL ECW matches were great and ECW knew how to leverage fan/wrestler interaction to remedy this problem. The negatives were the announcing. I have grown to dislike Mike Tenay, after watching TNA since the beginning of the year. He does not have it and I hope Borash gets a push. Also, some of the wrestlers were in terrible health. Balls looked atrocious. Simon Diamond gained a lot of weight. Kid Kash looked good but he is ripped now. Other than that, I thought most looked like they did from the 1990's. Also, why are the majority of wrestling fans here so condescending towards people who attend live events? Are you any better than they are? Are you jealous? I do not understand your perspective. You were/are doing the same thing when you attended/attend wrestling events. The attitude is perplexing and inconsistent, if this is true. I am not saying all wrestling fans are great but it is what it is. No normal fan or group of people chant the same things that don't fit every two minutes. Chant a lot if it fits, or if doesn't, chant when it's needed. The Crowd at HCJ was quite possibly the worst Crowd TNA's ever had. Not everything needs a chant, and it gets very tiresome after 20 chants in 10 minutes. For the Show, I was looking forward to an ECW PPV, then Impact made me slowly lose it, then the PPV, sans some of the Wrestling kept it going. The Wrestling was better than I expected, but everything else is what made it an awful PPV as a whole. For those that watch TNA every week and love it, people say something negative about TNA, then one of you bitches at them for not even watching the Show, they watch the Show, much like I did, then when they come back and have the same opinion, you go crazy and yell at them "Why are you even watching, then!?!?!?!?" People actually don't like TNA and see it as pure garbage, and apparently they can only have an opinion if they watch every week. People say NXT sucks every week, yet you don't bitch at them "HEY, WHY DO YOU WATCH, THEN!?!?!?!?". You only seem to care about people not liking TNA. If you commented to everyone who says "(Wrestling Show) Sucks!", people would respect you and not call you marks/fanboys, but you only say it when someone doesn't like the underdog, TNA. Be consistent and people won't dislike you. Lets clarify a few things. First, my argument is not based on TNA. It was based on the HCJ PPV which was hosted by TNA and planned by Tommy Dreamer. The fans are ECW fans which could also be TNA fans but that has little relevance, as per our current discussion. In my opinion, the crowd, as compared to an ECW crowd, was good. Were there out-of-place chants? Yes, but overall it was a solid ECW crowd in terms of intensity and fan/wrestler interaction. Second, I do not watch NXT, WWE, etc. Therefore, I cannot comment on the viability of their fan base, product or board members opinions. Third, how do you define a normal fan group? What gives you the right to define how a fan group should react? Let alone critique the reaction from said fan group. Also, you do not provide any specifics (do you have a historical perspective, what were your expectations based off of, what did you really dislike (besides the fans), etc.) and your writing is difficult to understand. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am not here to defend anything. I am here to gain a better perspective why you have these opinions. Lastly, your response was difficult to comprehend. I suggest you compose your thoughts, then construct a well written response. I hope my response helps clarify my previous post. Thanks
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:13:28 GMT -5
So, bringing ECW back to please that ECW wrestlers to get some closure, which apparently you think are a bunch of 'retards' is a mistake for TNA? I'm sorry if you dislike ECW, you shouldn't be posting in the topic then, right? I mean...it doesn't make sense. What would you possibly have to add, other than more negativity, considering you hate ECW and the fans that enjoy it? Wasting time much? Can you read? I dont ever remember seeing his saying that he hates ecw. Hes saying He hates TNA's version of ECW. Exactly, I have nothing against ECW, but if I want to watch ECW that's what I have WWE Classics On Demand for. I want to watch TNA and TNA Wrestlers. TNA needs to focus on improving themselves and their own business. Reviving a dead brand was an incredibly stupid idea. Hopefully now ECW can stay dead. I mean come on, there's absolutely no way ECW will ever be what it used to be no matter what. I mean come one, most of them couldn't even use their original names.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:15:07 GMT -5
Your sig > this thread > HCJ
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Post by fdamage: Elite Trader on Aug 8, 2010 23:16:30 GMT -5
Well said. Thank you for the intelligent post. No problem, it seems you have a lot of individuals on here which have 1,000's of posts which provide little to no objective analysis. In my opinion, they feel they are entitled to have their opinions shine without question or explanation based on a posting status. Hey, have an opinion but provide me with a coherent explanation. Exactly....
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Post by P@ul on Aug 8, 2010 23:18:27 GMT -5
Disney World > Universal Studios
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Post by No Brokeback on Aug 8, 2010 23:21:04 GMT -5
How the HELL is it TNA"s version? It had nothing to do with creative or anything in TNA. Just where it was held was under TNA's name. To put TNA and this PPV together at all, is stupid, because they didn't have any imput in it..it was all Tommy Dreamer.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:26:45 GMT -5
How the HELL is it TNA"s version? It had nothing to do with creative or anything in TNA. Just where it was held was under TNA's name. To put TNA and this PPV together at all, is stupid, because they didn't have any imput in it..it was all Tommy Dreamer. I pretty much hate that TNA put all this effort into a dead brand instead of focusing on their own brand. Am I wrong to be upset with TNA for choosing to revive ECW instead of trying to improve their own promotion. I just think this whole One Last Stand or The Last Stand to be pointless and a waste of time and money. ONS 2005 was a great PPV and that should have been the last we ever saw of ECW. But this, this was just pure garbage.
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Post by No Brokeback on Aug 8, 2010 23:26:50 GMT -5
How the HELL is it TNA"s version? It had nothing to do with creative or anything in TNA. Just where it was held was under TNA's name. To put TNA and this PPV together at all, is stupid, because they didn't have any imput in it..it was all Tommy Dreamer. Can some one please post the wrestling is still real to me video.How does what I said, reflect that video at all...jesus christ
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:28:57 GMT -5
WOW..... people say dumb things around here sometimes!! I thought the ppv was solid for the most part. Some very funny moments. some of the names were riots. And taz slipping on balls name like 3 or 4 times was funny also. I feel if you think it was a bad ppv... ur a moron. There was a complete blend of styles tonight. Some guys in tna do chain wrestle... however nobody does any extened chain on wwe's poor excuse for "wrestling". also that is the key. "wrestling" not not much in the way of story lines, but hey only 2 matches were announced and 1 of them was scrapped. I would rather watch these old guys who have paid dues and know what a key lock is then watch randy orton who ing cries if someone does not feel like fluffing his junk in the back before he walks to the ring. They may not all work clean....... but at least they can work!!! So people that have different taste in wrestling than you, are morons? That's the problem, people calling other people names because of their opinions. Grow the up!
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 8, 2010 23:30:14 GMT -5
Can some one please post the wrestling is still real to me video.How does what I said, reflect that video at all...jesus christ ... Because I think the fact that Tommy Dreamer had input into the PPV was more to do with storyline than him ACTUALLY booking and organizing the whole thing... Just saying. If you believe that it was all Tommy Dreamer then... It's still real to you dammit. No problem, it seems you have a lot of individuals on here which have 1,000's of posts which provide little to no objective analysis. In my opinion, they feel they are entitled to have their opinions shine without question or explanation based on a posting status. Hey, have an opinion but provide me with a coherent explanation. Exactly.... No not exactly. Where in the Official World Opinions Handbook does it state that I have to rationalize my opinion to you. I've formed an opinion, I express my opinion and that's it. I don't have to state why or how I've formed that opinion. The only person that needs to worry about how I came to this conclusion is me.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 8, 2010 23:33:38 GMT -5
So people that have different taste in wrestling than you, are morons? That's the problem, people calling other people names because of their opinions. Grow the up! wade Barrett and lady gaga are in ur signature...... u are a moron...... You have some no name in your sig. You have no room to talk.
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Post by LtD73 on Aug 8, 2010 23:35:26 GMT -5
wade Barrett and lady gaga are in ur signature...... u are a moron...... You have some no name in your sig. You have no room to talk. OH HELL NO u did not just rip MARCUS MACOBB. the guy is the greatest of all time
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:37:21 GMT -5
So now I'm a moron because I like Wade Barrett and Lady Gaga, LMAO! If your going to bring Lady Gaga and Wade Barrett into the mix even though they have nothing to do with anything in this thread, Lady Gaga probably makes more money in a week than all of the ECW originals combined in their whole life, and Wade Barrett is well on his way to becoming a much bigger superstar in the business than any of these dodo birds.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 8, 2010 23:37:59 GMT -5
No normal fan or group of people chant the same things that don't fit every two minutes. Chant a lot if it fits, or if doesn't, chant when it's needed. The Crowd at HCJ was quite possibly the worst Crowd TNA's ever had. Not everything needs a chant, and it gets very tiresome after 20 chants in 10 minutes. For the Show, I was looking forward to an ECW PPV, then Impact made me slowly lose it, then the PPV, sans some of the Wrestling kept it going. The Wrestling was better than I expected, but everything else is what made it an awful PPV as a whole. For those that watch TNA every week and love it, people say something negative about TNA, then one of you bitches at them for not even watching the Show, they watch the Show, much like I did, then when they come back and have the same opinion, you go crazy and yell at them "Why are you even watching, then!?!?!?!?" People actually don't like TNA and see it as pure garbage, and apparently they can only have an opinion if they watch every week. People say NXT sucks every week, yet you don't bitch at them "HEY, WHY DO YOU WATCH, THEN!?!?!?!?". You only seem to care about people not liking TNA. If you commented to everyone who says "(Wrestling Show) Sucks!", people would respect you and not call you marks/fanboys, but you only say it when someone doesn't like the underdog, TNA. Be consistent and people won't dislike you. Lets clarify a few things. First, my argument is not based on TNA. It was based on the HCJ PPV which was hosted by TNA and planned by Tommy Dreamer. The fans are ECW fans which could also be TNA fans but that has little relevance, as per our current discussion. In my opinion, the crowd, as compared to an ECW crowd, overall was good. Were there some out-of-place chants? Yes, but overall it was a solid ECW crowd. Second, I do not watch NXT, WWE, etc. Therefore, I cannot comment on the viability of their fan base, product or board members opinions. Third, how do you define a normal fan group? What gives you the right to define how a fan group should react? Let alone critique the reaction from said fan group. Also, you do not provide any specifics (do you have a historical perspective, what were your expectations based off of, what did you really dislike (besides the fans), why did you dislike it, etc.) and your writing is difficult to understand. From an objective point of view, I suggest you compose your thoughts, then construct a well written response. I hope this helps clarify my previous post. Thanks Okay, I'll simplify my writing. Why I was looking forward to the Show: It seemed like it was going to be a simple night of former ECW guys wrestling, with Hardcore action taking place. Impact's leading up to Hardcore Justice began making me lose anticipation over the PPV, as I wasn't a fan of how "EV 2.0" was booked heading into this Show. I watched because I was hoping that despite the build, ECW's former guys would put on a great show like they used to. What I disliked about the Show(Besides the Crowd): Besides the Eddie spot, the Triple Threat between Rhino, Spike and Al Snow. It was boring and on a Show that makes fun of WWE being PG, they won't allow weapons in that Match? I think allowing weapons all night would have been smart. I'm not saying use them in every Match, but don't make some Matches Hardcore and some not on an ECW Reunion PPV. Raven vs. Dreamer: It wasn't the worst or the best of the night, but even before the "ZOMG BWO AND BEULAH IN THE RING", it wasn't that enjoyable for me. I'm glad Raven won, but it wasn't a very well booked Match. The Commentating: Mike Tenay was worse than usual, and Taz sounded like the Play-by-Play guy, which is Mike's job. For once, Taz was great on TNA Television and as usual, Tenay showed why we should miss the days of Cole and Tazz every Thursday night on UPN. The Production: The lighting was beyond terrible, as at times it was difficult to see what was going on. I'd rather have a Yellow and Orange Mat than a White one that was trying to be passed off as a Blue one. The videos were pointless, as it was basically TNA guys trying to sound like they're okay with getting bumped and losing money on a PPV so a bunch of overweight 40-year-olds could "restore a legacy". Not all of it was bad, but most of it was. The lack of Kayfabe: So New Jack is beating down Team 3D with weapons, but then they all hug? I get the hug at the end, but TNA can't decide if people like Raven are serious heels or they're there to remember ECW, and New Jack was another example of that. Either be serious then hug at the end, or be loose all night and don't try to tell me Raven hates Dreamer again. Lack of "Extreme": When Impact on a weekly basis has more blood than an ECW Reunion PPV, it's a problem. One Night Stand Main Event re-visited: bWo attacks Dreamer in his Match on an ECW Reunion PPV. Huh, when has that exactly happened before? "LOL, WE CAN'T SAY ECW!": It was a running joke all night that they couldn't say ECW. This wasn't major, but come on, don't joke about having a PPV for a company who's name you can't mention to sell the PPV, otherwise TNA will get sued. What gives me the right to say how a Crowd should react? Absolutely nothing, but you'll be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't love TNA to death to say that the Crowd's chants were not annoying, made sense and added to the Show. I don't think that's how a normal group if Wrestling fans should have reacted, but that's simply my strong opinion. Again, the Wrestling, for the most part was fine, but it was everything else that ruined the PPV. The bitching part wasn't directed at you, so you can disregard that part of my post.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:38:08 GMT -5
You have some no name in your sig. You have no room to talk. OH HELL NO u did not just rip MARCUS MACOBB. the guy is the greatest of all time LOL! Who?
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