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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 8, 2010 23:41:25 GMT -5
No, the thing is..the people that are bitching..are the people that ALWAYS bitch. I sorta got used to em. And if they're going to buy a PPV from a show they already can't stand, then that is their obvious stupidity. The thing is...they can't blame Russo, they can't blame Hogan. They can't blame Run in's in every match...but they still bitch. And why do they still bitch? Because they're idiots. They want to watch because "It's supposed to be a train wreck"..but it wasn't a train wreck, so they can't even bitch about that. What are they bitching about...that ECW didn't give 5 star matches with good psychology? Are they ING STUPID? It's ECW. Known for hardcore violence. However, the matches they did put on were great and not many of those people missed a step from 10+ years back. I'm still finding it crazy, when you have 2 matches announced on the card first of all, being Tommy Dreamer vs Raven and RVD vs and people are complaining about psychology in a match in ECW. EditAnd even if TNA put on their own show with their own talent, and it was a decent PPV...which they've been putting on recently, especially Bound for Glory, people would still bitch...and the thing is, it would be the same exact people bitching now for the ECW complaining that it wasn't a TNA PPV. You know what I;m sick of? People like you bitching about people bitching! Guess what that makes you? A BITCHER! So stop your own damn bitchin!!! For christs sake I'm so sick of people like you and SG that come on here and wanna tell people how to react. We didnt like it! We bitched about it! Get over it. You guys frukin act like people cant say something. You're just as bad as everybody else but you guys cant see that becasue ya think since TNA can do no wrong, you must be right! Well guess what you;re not! and just becasue you like it doenst give you any more authority to come on here and Bitch about people not liking it. It'd be one thing if you could just state that you liked it and leave it alone, but ya gotta proceed to rip on everyone else, then ya whine becasue people are givin you a hard time for liking it. Like I said to SG, it's not that you like it, it's the fact that you guys don't let anyone else propose an alternative opinion. Your opinion isn;t the only one that matters and that's how some of you come across! I mean for Frucks sake, cobra commander made a comment and ya had something smart ass to say to him. Someone else made a comment to someone, and SG stepped in and made a smart ass comment to him. Take some damn responsibility for how you act once in awhile then you'll have some leverage to tell people not to bitch all the time. Since you kindly brought me into this conversation (that had nothing to do with me, mind you) - let me defend myself, alright? I don't care how people react to something nor do I care what you like nor dislike but let's use some ing common sense, alright? If you're not enjoying the show nor think in advance you are not going to enjoy the show - then don't watch it! The only thing I said that was "negative" to someone's opinion was the fact that they should stop watching the show which is the same damn reaction I would get if I went in sat in the Monday Night RAW thread today and bitched about every little thing I didn't like yet still sat there for two hours and complained. I could easily throw the bullcrapof "I can watch what I want to watch and have an opinion on it!" but guess what, you're a dumbass if you do that. You just sat there for two hours and complained for the ENTIRE two hours yet didn't bother to stop watching. Turn your damn TV off because if you haven't enjoyed the show then you might as well. Now, don't give me this bullcrapabout "They paid for it!" - Christ, it's no different then hating the show besides now you look like a dumbass because you sat there and complained about everything on a show yet didn't have the brains to STOP WATCHING. I don't care that Billy Joe doesn't like the show, good for him but the entire bitching of a three hour show/two hour show yet not having the brains to turn it off is getting old and tiresome. If you watch iMPACT for say Jeff Hardy and Desmond Wolfe. Fine, you watch the Wolfe/Hardy segments and move on. You're the one who looks like an idiot for sitting there for an entire two/three hour broadcast just to complain. That is the reason companies don't listen to the fans because fans are going to watch just to complain about something which is pretty evident when someone who only watches for Jeff Hardy and Desmond Wolfe watches the entire show. I don't care that you don't like TNA nor do I care that you want TNA to die. I do NOT care at all because that doesn't have any affect on me nor what I think of the show. The only other responses I made in this thread was to people who responded to my opinion where I simply stated I had fun watching the show and got my money's worth. I'm tired of being "fair" and "listening to peoples opinions" because it got me nowhere besides getting my opinion crapall over. Where you were at when people were crawling my ass in the past about what I liked and didn't like? Oh wait, you were one of them. Yes, I do question people and start a DISCUSSION when it comes to their opinion. Yes, I do tell people to stop watching when they constaly complain about everything that happens. But, I don't tell someone that they can't have an opinion. You can have an opinion all you want. I don't have to agree with it but just because I reply to it and question it, doesn't mean I'm saying that. I don't understand how anyone can think that. We are all here to discuss wrestling, so when I reply to, say, cobra commander it doesn't mean "ROAR! YOU CAN HAVE NO OPINION UNLESS IT IS PRO-TNA! ROAR!" It's a discussion board for discussing matters. I don't attack people unless provoked first and a good portion of my replies are in fact are trying to create a discussion on why so-and-so likes this. I don't attack people and question their opinion after every post they make on the forum nor do I question people to bash them like people do me and other people who make pro-TNA comments. Hell, you can go look at the replies I got to a statement where I didn't even "praise" TNA in this thread. I simply stated that the show was fun and I got my money's worth - where did I praise TNA? I didn't. Nobody asked "Why did you think the show was fun?" or "How did you get your $35 worth?" but people made sure to get their smart ass comments in. Yes, I have attacked people's opinions but if you want to call a foul on me and others who attack opinions, then you need to start calling fouls on the others who do it to those with pro-TNA opinions. I don't write reviews because I'm not a wrestling critic. I don't watch TNA because I want to come on a forum and discuss it so much in-depth. I watch TNA (and pro-wrestling for that matter) because I enjoy doing so just like I enjoy coming on here and having conversations with people when it comes to pro-wrestling. I'm going to take when you said and tweak it; There are a lot of people on here that need to learn to take some responsibility for how they act then you'll have some leverage to tell me why my opinion is wrong. If you're entire argument or reply to me 99.9% of the time is because I'm a TNA mark, you are damn right I'm not going to take you nor your opinion seriously. Being a "TNA Mark", "TNA Fan Boy" or whatever flavor of the month I am this month, has no effect on what I like and do not like about the product. I do have complaints about TNA and even when I do (and post them) I am somehow wrong about those. You don't have to like my opinion nor do you have to agree with it, but when people start to learn how to respect the fact I like more about the product then maybe people will learn, I do have complaints about the product I just don't sit here and write an essay about it with Hardcore Justice being the best example of that.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:44:42 GMT -5
Why has this thread turned into such a flame war? This is ridiculous, people need to stop taking peoples opinions so personally and instead of attacking the person for their opinion, should just have a discussion about it. Geeze, why does everything have to turn into a fight around here?
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Post by LtD73 on Aug 8, 2010 23:45:03 GMT -5
OH HELL NO u did not just rip MARCUS MACOBB. the guy is the greatest of all time LOL! Who? lmao no idea his sig said I AM MARCUS MACOBB
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:46:40 GMT -5
lmao no idea his sig said I AM MARCUS MACOBB LMAO! And he's calling me a moron for liking Wade Barrett?
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 8, 2010 23:48:56 GMT -5
Why has this thread turned into such a flame war? This is ridiculous, people need to stop taking peoples opinions so personally and instead of attacking the person for their opinion, should just have a discussion about it. Geeze, why does everything have to turn into a fight around here? Combination of a lot of things, most of which stem from people saying they didn't like it and it was trash, then being told what they expected heading into the PPV, then being told you don't have the right to complain about something for a long period of time. But hey, it's TNA. Either you love it or hate it, there's no middle ground, then you speak your opinion, then it's met with 's and curse words, no matter which side of the fence you're on.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 8, 2010 23:49:48 GMT -5
How does what I said, reflect that video at all...jesus christ By you saying it was all tommy dreamer who did this all. Tommy Dreamer is under contract with TNA so that makes it TNA's Version of ECW. Who says Tommy is even under a TNA contract, though?
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Post by LtD73 on Aug 8, 2010 23:51:27 GMT -5
Its more believable that hes on contract than he did this ppv by himself
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Aug 8, 2010 23:53:10 GMT -5
I can see why people hated the show, but as someone who LOVED ECW, this was a great show. A little boring at times, but I thought it was great. Sabu worked the cleanest he probally ever has, lmao. It had the ECW feel to it, even though production values were 100X higher than Paul E. couldve ever hoped for. ONS was still better, but as an old school ECW fan, this brought back good memories.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:54:51 GMT -5
Why has this thread turned into such a flame war? This is ridiculous, people need to stop taking peoples opinions so personally and instead of attacking the person for their opinion, should just have a discussion about it. Geeze, why does everything have to turn into a fight around here? Combination of a lot of things, most of which stem from people saying they didn't like it and it was trash, then being told what they expected heading into the PPV, then being told you don't have the right to complain about something for a long period of time. But hey, it's TNA. Either you love it or hate it, there's no middle ground, then you speak your opinion, then it's met with 's and curse words, no matter which side of the fence you're on. Here's the thing though, I WANT to like TNA, I don't enjoy complaining about it, but the stuff they do is just so ing stupid. As a fan, I feel I have the right to complain and voice my opinion. If you go to a restaurant, and they up your order, wouldn't you complain? You should, since you have every right to being a paying customer. So how is this any different? People think that guys like me complain for the sake of complaining, or that I just love to complain for no reason. You're dead wrong, I don't like complaining. I just want TNA to be fun and exciting like it used to be and for them to focus on their younger guys, not these washed up has-beens that look like they just came from the soup kitchen.
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Post by LtD73 on Aug 8, 2010 23:55:22 GMT -5
Im just wondering where sabu wouldve ended up if Lynn was able to compete
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 8, 2010 23:55:37 GMT -5
Who says Tommy is even under a TNA contract, though? tal Nonstop Action Wrestling (2010-present) On June 13, 2010, at Slammiversary VIII Dreamer made his debut for Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA). He is signed dont try saying he isnt because he is. Seriously hate TNA marks................. I'm sure he's signed, but that's not really evidence.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 8, 2010 23:56:39 GMT -5
Im just wondering where sabu wouldve ended up if Lynn was able to compete They were probably wondering the same thing, lol.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 8, 2010 23:57:26 GMT -5
Combination of a lot of things, most of which stem from people saying they didn't like it and it was trash, then being told what they expected heading into the PPV, then being told you don't have the right to complain about something for a long period of time. But hey, it's TNA. Either you love it or hate it, there's no middle ground, then you speak your opinion, then it's met with 's and curse words, no matter which side of the fence you're on. Here's the thing though, I WANT to like TNA, I don't enjoy complaining about it, but the stuff they do is just so ing stupid. As a fan, I feel I have the right to complain and voice my opinion. If you go to a restaurant, and they up your order, wouldn't you complain? You should, since you have every right to being a paying customer. So how is this any different? People think that guys like me complain for the sake of complaining, or that I just love to complain for no reason. You're dead wrong, I don't like complaining. I just want TNA to be fun and exciting like it used to be and for them to focus on their younger guys, not these washed up has-beens that look like they just came from the soup kitchen. Quoted for truth.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 8, 2010 23:58:08 GMT -5
Who says Tommy is even under a TNA contract, though? tal Nonstop Action Wrestling (2010-present) On June 13, 2010, at Slammiversary VIII Dreamer made his debut for Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA). He is signed dont try saying he isnt because he is. Seriously hate TNA marks................. And people question how crapgets started around here because people decide that instead of making their post and moving in, it's needs to be a little smart comment in there. I don't look at contracts in wrestling as just a piece of paper that this guy signed to work for this company besides the WWE. The WWE signs their guys to, I guess, real contracts when compared to TNA. The guys who work for TNA are mainly under pay-per-apperance deals whilst they're under a deal, they're not really under a contract to me. You can't call it "TNA's version of ECW" because half the talent that worked the show doesn't work for TNA at all...
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Post by slappy on Aug 9, 2010 0:02:18 GMT -5
Yes, it was TNA's version of ECW. They did work for TNA, they got paid didn't they? That's working for TNA.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 0:02:24 GMT -5
Combination of a lot of things, most of which stem from people saying they didn't like it and it was trash, then being told what they expected heading into the PPV, then being told you don't have the right to complain about something for a long period of time. But hey, it's TNA. Either you love it or hate it, there's no middle ground, then you speak your opinion, then it's met with 's and curse words, no matter which side of the fence you're on. Here's the thing though, I WANT to like TNA, I don't enjoy complaining about it, but the stuff they do is just so ing stupid. As a fan, I feel I have the right to complain and voice my opinion. If you go to a restaurant, and they up your order, wouldn't you complain? You should, since you have every right to being a paying customer. So how is this any different? People think that guys like me complain for the sake of complaining, or that I just love to complain for no reason. You're dead wrong, I don't like complaining. I just want TNA to be fun and exciting like it used to be and for them to focus on their younger guys, not these washed up has-beens that look like they just came from the soup kitchen. And if you see someone across the restaurant saying "I eat here every week! The food is great!" are you going to scream at this person that he's an (restaurant name here) mark and explain to him why his opinion on the food is wrong? Nope, you're not. I was a lot more open to other people's opinions and what they thought until my opinions were questioned every other post by someone who thought it was so cool to call someone a "TNA Mark!" because they don't write a book about what they don't like about the product. I'm just saying. Yes, it was TNA's version of ECW. They did work for TNA, they got paid didn't they? That's working for TNA. But, TNA didn't have any input into the aspect of the show since the creative team for TNA didn't work the show. It was also 95% of non-TNA guys.That's what I meant by their version of ECW, sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 9, 2010 0:10:02 GMT -5
Im just wondering where sabu wouldve ended up if Lynn was able to compete They were probably wondering the same thing, lol. Wouldn't it have been Sandman?
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 0:10:06 GMT -5
And if you see someone across the restaurant saying "I eat here every week! The food is great!" are you going to scream at this person that he's an (restaurant name here) mark and explain to him why his opinion on the food is wrong? Nope, you're not. I was a lot more open to other people's opinions and what they thought until my opinions were questioned every other post by someone who thought it was so cool to call someone a "TNA Mark!" because they don't write a book about what they don't like about the product. I'm just saying. But, TNA didn't have any input into the aspect of the show since the creative team for TNA didn't work the show. It was also 95% of non-TNA guys.That's what I meant by their version of ECW, sorry if that wasn't clear. Isnt Tommy Dreamer part of the TNA Creative team? I think he is. No, he isn't.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 9, 2010 0:20:25 GMT -5
Here's the thing though, I WANT to like TNA, I don't enjoy complaining about it, but the stuff they do is just so ing stupid. As a fan, I feel I have the right to complain and voice my opinion. If you go to a restaurant, and they up your order, wouldn't you complain? You should, since you have every right to being a paying customer. So how is this any different? People think that guys like me complain for the sake of complaining, or that I just love to complain for no reason. You're dead wrong, I don't like complaining. I just want TNA to be fun and exciting like it used to be and for them to focus on their younger guys, not these washed up has-beens that look like they just came from the soup kitchen. And if you see someone across the restaurant saying "I eat here every week! The food is great!" are you going to scream at this person that he's an (restaurant name here) mark and explain to him why his opinion on the food is wrong? Nope, you're not. I was a lot more open to other people's opinions and what they thought until my opinions were questioned every other post by someone who thought it was so cool to call someone a "TNA Mark!" because they don't write a book about what they don't like about the product. I'm just saying. TNA fans are attacking people for not liking TNA, and the people that don't like TNA attack the people that do. That's ridiculous, if you like TNA, good for you, I don't care. I've never attacked any one for their opinion, I may disagree with them and try to have a discussion with them, but half the time I get attacked, or called names, or have whatever's in my sig brought in for no reason. I think that is childish and immature, and that's why there are so many flame wars here. It gets really out of hand, people need to stop taking other people's opinions to heart. I can't figure out why people still like Jakks figures, but I never call any one stupid for liking them and buying them. But whenever I voice my negative opinions to Jakks for making such terrible figures, which I have every right to do, people get so upset and worked up over MY opinion and will say stupid sh*t about me, or basically tell me that I don't have the right to complain, if I don't like the figures or if I don't like TNA, than just don't buy or watch. WELL THAT! Like I said I want to like TNA and I want to buy Jakks TNA figures, but why should I, if they produce nothing but garbage. I guess I'm supposed to just shut my mouth and deal with it so I don't upset overly sensitive people.
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Post by SodaGuy on Aug 9, 2010 0:20:58 GMT -5
I think you might want to check up on this because last i heard is that Tommy Dreamer is in the TNA Creative crew which is really like the only reason he signed. Nope, Tommy Dreamer isn't on the creative team. I think you might want to check up on that. ----- I hate how you guys cant respect opinions around here I didn't care for the show but just because some other ppl enjoy it your gonna poop on'em? No thats not how it goes we all have our own opinions If you didn't like the show okay if you enjoyed it great I'm happy you got your money's worth out of it but there is no need to start bashing people. Not even. We were bitching because the show sucked from the beginning and SG called me out for that. So screw him, we can take shots at him all we want. He said Victory Road from last year was "solid".. Uh, bro - if you would actually remember everything that I said (since apparently you can remember what I said in freaking July of 2009), then you would know I explained why I enjoyed the show. You would know that I went in depth about the show and explained why I thought the show was a "solid" show. I have no idea what that had to do with Hardcore Justice but maybe next time you should remember that I'm not a "wrestling critic" like this forum is apparently and that I don't judge a show on the same scale or what that everyone else does. I judge shows based on what I like (duh) and did I get my money's worth. I would love to see how you can tell me I'm wrong about getting my money's worth out of a show. Why beat a old and dead horse just to be a dick? Seriously. -------- I do agree with many of posts on here that the show wasn't amazing but I did enjoy what I saw. It was just a fun night of wrestling that I was able to kick back and enjoy without having to worry about anything which creates a fun show, to me. I'm glad I purchased the show and I would do it again. I never said the show was "fantastic" nor did I claim the show was "the best ever", I had with it. So what? And if you see someone across the restaurant saying "I eat here every week! The food is great!" are you going to scream at this person that he's an (restaurant name here) mark and explain to him why his opinion on the food is wrong? Nope, you're not. I was a lot more open to other people's opinions and what they thought until my opinions were questioned every other post by someone who thought it was so cool to call someone a "TNA Mark!" because they don't write a book about what they don't like about the product. I'm just saying. TNA fans are attacking people for not liking TNA, and the people that don't like TNA attack the people that do. That's ridiculous, if you like TNA, good for you, I don't care. I've never attacked any one for their opinion, I may disagree with them and try to have a discussion with them, but half the time I get attacked, or called names, or have whatever's in my sig brought in for no reason. I think that is childish and immature, and that's why there are so many flame wars here. It gets really out of hand, people need to stop taking other people's opinions to heart. I can't figure out why people still like Jakks figures, but I never call any one stupid for liking them and buying them. But whenever I voice my negative opinions to Jakks for making such terrible figures, which I have every right to do, people get so upset and worked up over MY opinion and will say stupid sh*t about me, or basically tell me that I don't have the right to complain, if I don't like the figures or if I don't like TNA, than just don't buy or watch. WELL THAT! Like I said I want to like TNA and I want to buy Jakks TNA figures, but why should I, if they produce nothing but garbage. I guess I'm supposed to just shut my mouth and deal with it so I don't upset overly sensitive people. And I agree with that, but I still think if you don't like a show 40+ minutes into it and already say it's "a waste of time" then don't bother finishing the show because you're not going to get your money's worth if you don't like 40+ minutes out of a 2-3 hour show. Am I saying that person is wrong not to like the show? Of course not. Am I saying that person can't have an opinion? Of course not. But, people sometimes act like Dixie Carter is standing behind them with a gun threatening to blow their brains out of they don't watch, it's ridiculous. If 3 days before a PPV you say "Eh, this show only has one match on it i want to see. I'm not watching" then you're a fool to show up in a discussion thread about it to complain when 3 days ago you stated you were't watching. That is my beef, those that say "Oh, I'm not watching" or "Oh, I'm done with this product" yet still watch - it's insane. 97.3% of these flame wars are just a matter of needing to agree to dis-agree, really.
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