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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 17, 2013 21:13:33 GMT -5
I apologize if you cannot see them as I can with the issue right here on my lap, but there are cards in place for a "Championship Belt Series" and "Big Boys" (trust me, it doesn't read as "Bad Boys"), both of which could represent four-figure boxed sets. As we all know, the Championship Title Belt Series (#1) boxed set was released (and here it is), but what I want to know is what ever became of this proposed "Big Boys" boxed set (if that's even what it was)? There's another card or two laying flat on the table that cannot be seen in the photograph provided, but I would imagine that those, too, were concerning future boxed sets to be released in 1997. Could "Big Boys" have represented Super Heavyweight wrestlers in WWF at the time? If so, maybe someone like Vader might have been afforded the boxed set treatment in 1997. All of this is speculation and doesn't amount to a hill of beans really, but it is fun to consider when you think about it. "Big Boys" might have been a working title for Ripped & Ruthless?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 17, 2013 21:16:48 GMT -5
Yeah, it's pretty crazy how they managed to have so many different Austins when he basically wore the exact same attire for his whole WWE career. That's one thing I miss about Jakks that Mattel doesn't do. All of the street gear figures. That bothered me in the early Mattel days, but hardly anyone wears street gear in wrestling nowadays anyway. All everybody does is wrestle, and if they do ever talk, they usually do it in their wrestling gear with maybe a t-shirt on. When I think of the roster, I don't know who really needs a street gear figure. Maybe Miz, CM Punk, and that's about it?
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Post by Chicago on May 17, 2013 22:00:52 GMT -5
I apologize if you cannot see them as I can with the issue right here on my lap, but there are cards in place for a "Championship Belt Series" and "Big Boys" (trust me, it doesn't read as "Bad Boys"), both of which could represent four-figure boxed sets. As we all know, the Championship Title Belt Series (#1) boxed set was released (and here it is), but what I want to know is what ever became of this proposed "Big Boys" boxed set (if that's even what it was)? There's another card or two laying flat on the table that cannot be seen in the photograph provided, but I would imagine that those, too, were concerning future boxed sets to be released in 1997. Could "Big Boys" have represented Super Heavyweight wrestlers in WWF at the time? If so, maybe someone like Vader might have been afforded the boxed set treatment in 1997. All of this is speculation and doesn't amount to a hill of beans really, but it is fun to consider when you think about it. "Big Boys" might have been a working title for Ripped & Ruthless? Again, all I have is an old issue of Tomart's to back me up on this (I've since checked Lee's Toy Review and no such luck), but I'd bet anything that there was a proposed BCA boxed set with the name "Big Boys" scheduled for a 1997 release. The white "Big Boys" display card is positioned next to a stack of Survivor Series BCA boxed sets and a fellow illustration of a "Championship Belt Series" set with all of the same markings (big bold letters, four nondescript silhouettes of figures, and the mock outline of a window as seen in all Jakks BCA boxed set packaging). The little that I have to go on leads me to believe that it couldn't be anything but a boxed set of four BCA figures. Maybe Jakks considered a limited edition boxed set of re-releases to coincide with Superstars Series 4, a.k.a. "Bad Boys"? I really don't know. I don't believe it's related to Ripped and Ruthless at all. That line was about a year away from production and would have likely been featured at Toy Fair 1998 instead, which I think it was.
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Post by Chicago on May 17, 2013 22:59:00 GMT -5
I focused in on the card just now in a picture I took and maxed out the sharpness of the image on Photobucket to prove that it does in fact read as "Big Boys." I can't for the life of me read the small print to see which figure's names are listed, but I'm confident that this information exists somewhere. There are at least two other cards placed on the table that cannot be identified in the image (because they're seen lying flat), but chances are one or more of these were released in 1997 under the names "Buried Alive", "Raw Is War", "King of the Iron Rungs", "Nation of Domination" or "Triple Threat."
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on May 18, 2013 15:21:41 GMT -5
So there is a toy show in Noblesbville tomorrow (Sunday) from 10am to 3pm at the 4-H fairgrounds if you're in the Indiana area.. And I know for a fact BCAs will be there. How do I know, you ask? Because I will be there with 'em!
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Post by fallbrawl on May 26, 2013 11:20:09 GMT -5
after years of searching i finally found the live wire series marc mero in the red boxing trunks for $2.00 at a flea market.
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Post by Chicago on May 30, 2013 20:46:57 GMT -5
after years of searching i finally found the live wire series marc mero in the red boxing trunks for $2.00 at a flea market. Live Wire Series 2 as a whole is among my favorite store-exclusive series, and I never even knew about it as a kid. Five repaints to one re-release is a pretty good ratio for a set that could only be found at K-Mart for a limited time (March of '99). Along with Mero, Val Venis and Mark Henry's repaints compare favorably to their debut figures. I would imagine HBK and The Rock are suitable repaints, as well, though I can't speak from experience since I've never owned either. That one re-release in the set isn't too bad either considering it's X-Pac's debut figure from Superstars Series 7, a figure that was tough to find for many the first time around, and as a bonus it comes with a matching super soaker accessory that can't be found elsewhere. Somehow, I think Val Venis would've been an appropriate choice for that particular accessory...
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Post by Chicago on May 30, 2013 21:45:46 GMT -5
Somewhat unrelated to the BCA line, but I just bought a MIB Ripped and Ruthless Series 2 Kane on eBay for a bit under $14 shipped. It's not often you find this figure online for a reasonable price without having to buy the rest of Series 2. Nothing against HBK, HHH or Sable, but I only ever gave a crap about Kane and the significance of his first unmasked figure. I remember the excitement I felt finding this figure at KB Toys (it was released along with Kane's debut Slammers Series 2 figure in August of '98). It's not much to look at truthfully, but I've always liked the sculpt and will be glad to own the figure again.
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Post by blu3blazer on May 31, 2013 8:12:09 GMT -5
I always liked that X-Pac with super soaker accessory. And it fit in well with him since DX were using super soakers for a while there. And I thought that at least one other figure came with a super soaker. One was red, black, and white, and the other was green, purple, and white. I remember owning both of them at some point. I don't remember who came with the other one though.
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Post by Chicago on May 31, 2013 12:13:34 GMT -5
I always liked that X-Pac with super soaker accessory. And it fit in well with him since DX were using super soakers for a while there. And I thought that at least one other figure came with a super soaker. One was red, black, and white, and the other was green, purple, and white. I remember owning both of them at some point. I don't remember who came with the other one though. It was Fully Loaded Series 1 HHH (the one based on his SummerSlam '98 look). As far as I know, those were the only two Jakks figures ever to come with the super soaker accessory.
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Post by ellisd on May 31, 2013 17:00:26 GMT -5
I always liked that X-Pac with super soaker accessory. And it fit in well with him since DX were using super soakers for a while there. And I thought that at least one other figure came with a super soaker. One was red, black, and white, and the other was green, purple, and white. I remember owning both of them at some point. I don't remember who came with the other one though. It was Fully Loaded Series 1 HHH (the one based on his SummerSlam '98 look). As far as I know, those were the only two Jakks figures ever to come with the super soaker accessory. How awesome is it that Jakks gave us the Super Soaker and the JVC KaBoom Box as accessories
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on May 31, 2013 17:40:35 GMT -5
If only they had given us Karate Fighters as accessories!
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Post by champofakind on May 31, 2013 18:38:11 GMT -5
Somewhat unrelated to the BCA line, but I just bought a MIB Ripped and Ruthless Series 2 Kane on eBay for a bit under $14 shipped. It's not often you find this figure online for a reasonable price without having to buy the rest of Series 2. Nothing against HBK, HHH or Sable, but I only ever gave a crap about Kane and the significance of his first unmasked figure. I remember the excitement I felt finding this figure at KB Toys (it was released along with Kane's debut Slammers Series 2 figure in August of '98). It's not much to look at truthfully, but I've always liked the sculpt and will be glad to own the figure again. Hahaha I had so much fun with this figure as a kid. I had a DX/NWO faction and I used this Kane to be Kevin Nash. Basically I had Rock, Austin, and Taker surrounded by X-pac, Scott Hall, HHH, Billy Gunn, Road Dogg and HBK..and when Kane came out to even things up he turned on Rock, Austin, and Taker and unmasked himself to reveal he was Nash. This is how I brought in my newly bought toybiz Nash figure. So much fun.
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Post by Chicago on May 31, 2013 19:36:55 GMT -5
Hahaha I had so much fun with this figure as a kid. I had a DX/NWO faction and I used this Kane to be Kevin Nash. Basically I had Rock, Austin, and Taker surrounded by X-pac, Scott Hall, HHH, Billy Gunn, Road Dogg and HBK..and when Kane came out to even things up he turned on Rock, Austin, and Taker and unmasked himself to reveal he was Nash. This is how I brought in my newly bought toybiz Nash figure. So much fun. That's about as creative a way to debut Kevin Nash as I think I will ever hear lol. Nice job. Did Kane ever dress up as Kevin Nash in return? You know, give the R&R2 Kane mask to ToyBiz Nash and have him take out various group members while pretending to be their buddy Nash.
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Post by UNK on May 31, 2013 22:07:55 GMT -5
Along with Mero, Val Venis and Mark Henry's repaints compare favorably to their debut figures. What's the difference between the two Vals? From the little I've seen online they look the same. But I never had a KB near so I've never this in person.
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Post by blu3blazer on May 31, 2013 22:46:09 GMT -5
Along with Mero, Val Venis and Mark Henry's repaints compare favorably to their debut figures. What's the difference between the two Vals? From the little I've seen online they look the same. But I never had a KB near so I've never this in person. One is more purple and the other is more pink.
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Post by Chicago on May 31, 2013 23:56:33 GMT -5
Superstars Series 7 (Val's debut figure in pink, which was released countless times) is on the left; Live Wire Series 2 (a one-time only repaint in purple) is next to it. I definitely prefer the Live Wire repaint, as I believe it was more accurate to Val's actual ring gear and more collectible as an exclusive of sorts.
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Post by champofakind on Jun 1, 2013 13:13:12 GMT -5
Hahaha I had so much fun with this figure as a kid. I had a DX/NWO faction and I used this Kane to be Kevin Nash. Basically I had Rock, Austin, and Taker surrounded by X-pac, Scott Hall, HHH, Billy Gunn, Road Dogg and HBK..and when Kane came out to even things up he turned on Rock, Austin, and Taker and unmasked himself to reveal he was Nash. This is how I brought in my newly bought toybiz Nash figure. So much fun. That's about as creative a way to debut Kevin Nash as I think I will ever hear lol. Nice job. Did Kane ever dress up as Kevin Nash in return? You know, give the R&R2 Kane mask to ToyBiz Nash and have him take out various group members while pretending to be their buddy Nash. Haha nope never did that..but that would've been a cool thing to do. It was probably my biggest faction war I ever had. So many battles between those guys..I eventually got a toybiz Goldberg to join Austin and them..and they just destroyed everyone.
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Post by UNK on Jun 1, 2013 20:41:59 GMT -5
....... as I believe it was more accurate to Val's actual ring gear and more collectible as an exclusive of sorts. Definitely more accurate. Thanks for the knowledge! Still my least favorite Jakks to date anyway..
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Post by Chicago on Jun 4, 2013 15:00:07 GMT -5
A quick observation... Jakks could have EASILY made a second Nation of Domination boxed set. Here's a pic of the first NOD 4-pack for those that don't remember. It was released in the fall of 1997 as a Toys"R"Us exclusive. The fact that these were all re-releases should surprise no one. Now, this might not be the ideal "Nation" line-up for those that remember their peak of popularity against D-Generation X earlier that summer, but the following proposed set could have been adequate filler in time for the 1998 Holiday season (a late November/early December release). Just like the group in real life, I would shorten the name of the set to "The Nation." The color scheme of the packaging would be predominately black (for a sleeker appearance) with traces of their original colors. The line-up would be as such (from left to right): Kama Mustafa ( 2 Tuff Series 2 re-release from October) "The Rock" Rocky Maivia ( Shotgun Saturday Night Series 1 re-release from April) D'Lo Brown ( 2 Tuff Series 2 re-release from October) Mark Henry ( Superstars Series 6 re-release from September) The reasoning for using the old Rocky Maivia sculpt is because the Fully Loaded Series 1/ 2 Tuff Series 3 Rock figure was not ready until the following year. The same goes for Mark Henry's Live Wire Series 2 repaint and the new sculpts for both D'Lo Brown and The Godfather (and to a lesser extent "Danger" Owen Hart). I believe it would have provided collectors the unique opportunity to pick up all four figures at once (as a Toys"R"Us exclusive), especially for those fans who may have missed out and were new to the line. Also, I think the BCA line needed some sort of filler in between the various incarnations of "The Nation" and its members. What do you guys think? Would you have bought it or passed on it at the time? How would it stack up to the original NOD boxed set? Obviously, I was going for a more realistic approach (new sculpts and repaints were the furthest thing from my mind), so I had to take into account Jakks' usual cost-cutting measures.
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