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Post by Chicago on Apr 29, 2015 11:41:01 GMT -5
Out of boredom the other day, I started to re-read this thread and, dammit, if it didn't suck me back into BCAs. I bought my first figures last year after reading this thread but lost interest after getting a bad lot of filthy and disgusting figures from ebay. Started checking ebay again, though, and ended up with these:   These figures are in pretty good shape, for the most part. The Undertaker is damn near perfect; tightest joints I've encountered so far on a BCA and I love this look for him. I've got a Razor, Bret Hart, and a Stone Cold coming in, too. Aside from Razor, I'm not sure what series they're all from but they looked to be in good shape. Overall, I'm happy with my purchases. I'm glad to hear of anyone who gives the BCA line another chance. If you ever have any questions about which figures to buy or any specifics about the line, just ask them in here. These are most likely the series of origin for your figures: Pic 1: The Rock: KB Toys Carded 1999 Giveaway Exclusive [1 of 10,000] Steve Blackman: DTA Tour Series 2 Godfather: Road Rage Series (or DTA Tour Series 3) Pic 2: Al Snow: DTA Tour Series 2 (or Fully Loaded Series 1, because it comes with Head) Ken Shamrock: Superstars Series 8 (or Grudge Match Series 2-pack, but without B.A. Billy Gunn) Undertaker: ToyFare Magazine Bagged 1999 Mailaway Exclusive [1 of 8,000] (or 2 Tuff Series 5, but without Viscera) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 15:43:45 GMT -5
Viscera was another BCA that was a favorite of mine.
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Post by kal on Apr 29, 2015 18:00:02 GMT -5
Hey Chicago, thanks for the assist. They are all great figures. I sort of miss this style of figure; slightly exaggerated, posed for play. Such a nice change from the stiff RA and basic figures. I'd kill for some of these BCA figures to have more modern articulation. For me, that would be the perfect wrestling figure.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Apr 29, 2015 21:54:05 GMT -5
Watching WWF Raw chronologically and now I'm up to September 96. I'm assuming the first couple series of BCA were based around March or April of 1996 given that Warrior, Diesel, and Razor are all included. I'm honestly kind of surprised at the choices in the line after having seen what I've seen. Is anyone else surprised we didn't get a Jake Roberts in BCA style? They could have easily subbed out one of the HBK, Bret, or Undertaker repaints to put Roberts in the line. Also, if Justin Hawk Bradshaw was put in series 4 when he was more prominent in 96, why was Faarooq not released in the Blue attire as opposed to the NOD? Other than that though, I feel like Jakks did a great job covering the more important characters of the era. With 197 pages of BCA Awesomeness I'm sure this has been covered before, but are there any other Superstars you wish would have received a BCA figure that didn't? Same here, although I only got up to the May 13th episode (two weeks prior to IYH #8: Beware of Dog) and then stopped watching about two months ago. I really want to start back up soon. It's awesome to get to see the points of reference for the BCA figure line. We definitely have covered Jake Roberts before. He was with the WWF from January 1996 to February 1997, which seems like ample time for a figure to have been made. Here are a few snippets of discussion about a BCA Jake Roberts figure from this very thread: I got a question about the BCA line. Was there not in series 2 or 3, going to be a Jake Roberts figure, but was removed and they put in the re-release Shawn and Bret from series 1? I heard a rumor about that. I'm not going to say that it couldn't have happened, but I really don't believe there were plans to make him in either series 2 or 3. He was with the company until February 1997, so you would think that there is enough time to plan a Roberts figure and have it reach store shelves. Obviously something else got in the way to prevent it from happening, or maybe there wasn't anything there to further speculate on since it is just a rumor. I've not come across any information that says Roberts was scheduled or even considered, but I wouldn't rule it out. One of my biggest wants for the line would be a King of the Ring 1996 Grudge Match exclusive 2-pack featuring him and Austin. I remember when series 4 came out..I got Lawler at Wal-Mart and the receipt had Jake Roberts as his name.My brother got some figure out of the set maybe Farooq,and his receipt said Mark Henry..so i immediately figured those guys would be made in the future..Henry was eventually,but Roberts never was..which sucked.. I have also heard rumors of that Jake Roberts in BCA series 3. From what I have heard, is the reason there were the HBK and Hart re-releases. I don't think Roberts would need to be replaced by two figures. The line-up had debut figures of Ahmed, Bulldog, Mankind, and Sid in it, so Jakks was probably looking to cut costs and/or provide stores with additional shipments of popular names that would sell like Bret and Shawn. Why there were re-releases of Diesel and Goldust (well, Goldust had black trim added) in Series 3 is still strange to me. Right, that is why I kept most of mine. I use there heads for RA customs. They come out very good. chicago, no man. The rumor was....is that Jake Roberts and 123 Kid were to be in BCA Series #3. However both left the company around or near this time. That's what I heard.. take it for what's it is worth. Did anybody else hear the rumor back in the day that Series 3 of the Superstars figure line was supposed to have Jake Roberts and Mark Henry in it but they were dropped and they added repeats of Hart and Michaels? Never heard about Henry and considering He debuted around August 96 but I did hear that Jake was planned All of these quotes intrigue me looking back on them, but I've never heard anything to suggest Henry or Roberts were going to be made in Series 4, or Series 3 for that matter. Series 4, a.k.a. "Bad Boys", was released in July 1997. Prototypes for the eventual Series 4 figures were unveiled at NYC's Toy Fair in mid February 1997, which means the line-up was all but confirmed by the time Jake split from the WWF. Mark Henry had a brief run initially when he signed with the WWF in August 1996, but then he only made sporadic appearances until November 1996 when he left to heal injuries/train to compete and he was gone for a full year. If you go back even further in the BCA timeline to late November 1996, you'll find that the line-up for Superstars Series 3 was revealed and both Bret and Shawn's names are mentioned. Superstars Series 2 was announced back in mid August 1996, and the original Superstars Series 1 figures can be traced back to early December 1995. Jon from Ringside Collectibles is responsible for that last one (almost 20 years ago!) and that occurred not even two months after Jakks and Titan Sports entered into a licensing agreement to produce 6" WWF figures. Amazing that you can find stuff from Jon that far back in dinosaur days of the net. Maybe he personally could come into this post to talk what he knows from dealing with Jakks semi directly all the way back to the earliest BCA days (? I'm not sure when Ringside actually opened?). Maybe a formal interview could be organized to avoid the mob like mentality special occasion open ended Q&As usually result in. Not sure how charismatic or tech friendly you personally are, Chicago, but I'd love if you could land a podcast interview with Jon Hal, or anyone else, to talk BCA figures. They're such a strange time in wrestling and there's so much mythology and depth to the line for being a line that lasted just barely three years. |
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Post by poindizzle on Apr 29, 2015 23:00:43 GMT -5
Out of boredom the other day, I started to re-read this thread and, dammit, if it didn't suck me back into BCAs. I bought my first figures last year after reading this thread but lost interest after getting a bad lot of filthy and disgusting figures from ebay. Started checking ebay again, though, and ended up with these: These figures are in pretty good shape, for the most part. The Undertaker is damn near perfect; tightest joints I've encountered so far on a BCA and I love this look for him. I've got a Razor, Bret Hart, and a Stone Cold coming in, too. Aside from Razor, I'm not sure what series they're all from but they looked to be in good shape. Overall, I'm happy with my purchases. Love that Undertaker arm mold. I was always a fan on figures that used those 'power sculpted' fingers, his hands exude personality. A very underappreciated element in art is hands. Anyway, that's my weird two cents. Enjoy your pickups and welcome back to the world of BCAs. |
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Post by Chicago on Apr 30, 2015 0:40:31 GMT -5
Amazing that you can find stuff from Jon that far back in dinosaur days of the net. Maybe he personally could come into this post to talk what he knows from dealing with Jakks semi directly all the way back to the earliest BCA days (? I'm not sure when Ringside actually opened?). Maybe a formal interview could be organized to avoid the mob like mentality special occasion open ended Q&As usually result in. Not sure how charismatic or tech friendly you personally are, Chicago, but I'd love if you could land a podcast interview with Jon Hal, or anyone else, to talk BCA figures. They're such a strange time in wrestling and there's so much mythology and depth to the line for being a line that lasted just barely three years. Researching the BCA line is among one of my favorite hobbies, and I can't begin to describe the feeling there is when I come across information on the Internet that I didn't previously know or that takes me back to the time when I was just a kid who enjoyed playing with his BCA figures. All that I am is a collector and a fan, and something about that period resonates with me very strongly. At this point, it's more than just nostalgia; my love for this line is not going to fade away anytime soon. I would love to speak with Jon. I've enjoyed every opportunity I've had thus far to speak with people who lived through it. His input would absolutely be helpful, and I hope to reach out to him soon in some form. I've had an idea for a post similar to the one on the last page involving Jon's past submissions, so we'll see where that goes. I don't know if a podcast or anything like that is in the cards anytime soon lol. I prefer print and removing myself from the equation as much as possible, but I appreciate the suggestion. It is remarkable all that Jakks accomplished in such a short window of time with BCA figures. I don't believe any other Jakks line had to go through as many ups and downs as this one did. It really wasn't supposed to last as long as it did. Jakks threw everything else at the wall, but it wasn't until the emergence of TTL and Real Scan technology that anything else clung to the wall and bonded as strongly to it as BCA had from early '96 to late '99. It was a hell of a run until Jakks finally pulled the plug on it. |
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Post by kal on Apr 30, 2015 18:24:59 GMT -5
Bam! Just won a Buried Alive boxset for $18.50! So excited! Seemed like a good price to me, it seems like it's still (somewhat) hard to find. Or maybe I'd just been unlucky with it before. That's been a set I've dreamed of owning since I started collecting last year. Now I just need to find a casket set (that's probably my number 2 want...well, number 1, now). I also won a trio of Bret Hart figures, in a separate auction, the other day; the series 1 or 2 Bret with glasses, the same figure without glasses and wearing a vest, and the all pink Bret from the 2 pack with Owen (I think that was it's only release?). That one set me back $19.99 but it still seems fair, I really wanted a glasses free Bret and the all pink one is a cool variant. Is the black top/pink bottoms Bret the only one without glasses?
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Post by Chicago on Apr 30, 2015 20:16:52 GMT -5
Bam! Just won a Buried Alive boxset for $18.50! So excited! Seemed like a good price to me, it seems like it's still (somewhat) hard to find. Or maybe I'd just been unlucky with it before. That's been a set I've dreamed of owning since I started collecting last year. Now I just need to find a casket set (that's probably my number 2 want...well, number 1, now). I also won a trio of Bret Hart figures, in a separate auction, the other day; the series 1 or 2 Bret with glasses, the same figure without glasses and wearing a vest, and the all pink Bret from the 2 pack with Owen (I think that was it's only release?). That one set me back $19.99 but it still seems fair, I really wanted a glasses free Bret and the all pink one is a cool variant. Is the black top/pink bottoms Bret the only one without glasses? Great price for the Buried Alive 4-pack. It is definitely one of THE classic releases of the BCA line. Were the Bret Hart figures loose or mint in the box? $19.99 is a bit high for three used figures, but those are three very good figures. To my knowledge, Bret Hart only had nine figure releases: 1. Superstars Series 1 (black top/pink tights, with glasses) 2. Superstars Series 2 (pink top/black tights, with glasses) 3. Survivor Series 4-pack (re-release of either Series 1 or Series 2 figure, depending on the box set variation) 4. Hart vs. Hart Family Feud 2-pack (pink top/pink tights, glasses with streaks) 5. Superstars Series 3 (Series 1 re-release with peg hole in foot) 6. King of the Iron Rungs 4-pack (black top/pink tights with exclusive designs/stars on boots, no glasses) 7. Raw Is War 4-pack (black top/pink tights with exclusive designs/stars on boots, no glasses) 8. Best of '97 Series 1 (Series 3 figure with King of the Iron Rungs/Raw Is War 4-pack head, removable Hart Foundation vest) 9. Slammers Series 1 (Series 1/Series 3 attire with action feature) Numbers 6 and 7 are the same figure, by the way. Those are the two best BCA figures of Bret, in my opinion, but I also love the Best of '97 figure. |
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Post by kal on Apr 30, 2015 21:04:23 GMT -5
The figures are loose, yes, but I justify it because I really wanted the no glasses and all pink Bret's and I haven't seen a decent price on the all pink Bret since I started looking again. The prices I've seen on that 2 pack are crazy, too, so, I'll suck it up. I already have a Slammers Bret and if I can find a decent Bret in black tights, I'll call it a day as far as BCA Bret's go.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Apr 30, 2015 21:34:39 GMT -5
There was a Pink torso Bret released in Survivor Series??
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Post by Chicago on May 1, 2015 1:08:24 GMT -5
There was a Pink torso Bret released in Survivor Series?? Oddly enough, I posted this one year ago today: Not sure if I overpaid or not but I just won Series 1, MOC for $50 plus shipping. One of my favorite series of the entire run. Nothing wrong with that price. Series 1 is the premier BCA assortment and a complete MOC set will always be in demand. Speaking of Series 1 (and Series 2 for that matter), check out these variant Survivor Series sets that recently showed up on eBay: Superstars Series 2 Bret Hart included (along with Frankendust) Superstars Series 2 Shawn Michaels included (along with Glenn Quagmire Bret Hart) The most common Survivor Series set features both Series 1 HBK and Bret Hart together, as shown below.  I knew that these variants (the Superstars Series 2 repaints) existed before, but this may be the first time I've ever seen them listed. Just thought I'd share that little e-finding.  Here's another picture of a listing with Series 2 HBK:  I don't really know what to make of it, but here's what I said to ellisd recently when we were discussing it: So I just saw on ebay, someone selling the BCA Survivor Series 4 pack with the exclusive green attire Warrior. The one they have listed comes with the series 2 red tights Shawn, but mine and all others I've seen have the original BCA Shawn in it. Any idea if this is real or not? I don't know much about it, but I do believe it is a legitimate variation. And it doesn't just involve Shawn. In the past year alone, I've seen: Series 1 Shawn with Series 2 Bret Series 2 Shawn with Series 1 Bret Series 2 Shawn with Series 2 Bret The most common pairing you'll find is Series 1 Shawn with Series 1 Bret. Why are there so many variations? I couldn't say for sure. I would like to think that it had something to do with a carry-over of Series 1 and Series 2 shipments to Toys"R"Us stores in the fall of '96. The reason I say that is because the Survivor Series 4-pack that I own includes a variation of Goldust with Series 2 Vader arms. That couldn't have happened unless Series 2 was already in stores, so maybe the odd HBK/Bret pairings came about because of the availability of Series 2 figures at roughly the same time. I don't believe I have a picture saved of the variation with both Series 2 figures, but I could've sworn I saw it at some point. It seems plausible to me since Superstars Series 2 and the Survivor Series 4-packs were receiving shipments at roughly the same time (October/November '96). Was there a limited edition run of the sets featuring Series 2 figures sent to Toys"R"Us stores? Could a few have slipped through the cracks unintentionally or before a change was made? Is it possible that there are/were multiple switcheroos that exist in different cities for no apparent reason? It is puzzling to say the least. What do you think? |
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Post by Chicago on May 6, 2015 0:53:49 GMT -5
So, it's late and I want to borrow a time machine. I've been reading this old figure findings report from July 31, 1999, and I realize how much I miss the variety of Jakks WWF, Toy Biz WCW, and OSFT ECW figures. Just give me a half hour and let me go back in time to check the nearest Toys"R"Us store with, like, a hundred bucks in my wallet. How much fun would that be? Hell, I'll take my chances with discovering only a shitload of Jacqueline and Dr. Death figures. Who else would join me? Would you buy the first wrestling figure that you find, or would you be picky about what you bring back to the future with you? I know I would look for any discounted rings or boxed sets first, but I don't think I could resist the urge to want to take a photo of the figure aisle to bring back with me as the ultimate souvenir. For the record, that particular report I was reading can be found here, and try to keep in mind that the sheer euphoria associated with finding Superstars Series 9 or Fully Loaded Series 2 BCA figures was a thing at one time.  |
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on May 6, 2015 7:40:50 GMT -5
Both Survivor Series sets I've had, one of which I bought in stores when it was released, has the Series 1 grouping with no variations. I guess I should trust this if there are enough cases to support the variations on the box set. Maybe we should ask the sellers posting them if the tape is still sealed? I remember during the days of the BCA Revival (2001?) with the new molds, they set up a "clearance" tent outside of the TRU Store. Inside the tent were countless Jacquelines, Dr Death, and Toy Biz Scott Halls. As fun as a huge clearance tent was, I would use my time machine to travel back to get my first couple BCA figures again. I picked up Series 2 Bret Hart and Undertaker at TRU sometime in 1997, with the Survivor Series box set to follow. If I could I would have picked up the whole set! I would have also used a time machine to stop my brother from throwing my green Ultimate Warrior against the wall, breaking its leg off  |
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Post by Kyle on May 6, 2015 9:36:11 GMT -5
Seeing these figures brings back so many memories. I have a few of the box sets at my parents house that I need to dig out. Buried alive, the champions set, and one other that I can't recall.
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Post by Chicago on May 6, 2015 11:35:15 GMT -5
Both Survivor Series sets I've had, one of which I bought in stores when it was released, has the Series 1 grouping with no variations. I guess I should trust this if there are enough cases to support the variations on the box set. Maybe we should ask the sellers posting them if the tape is still sealed? I remember during the days of the BCA Revival (2001?) with the new molds, they set up a "clearance" tent outside of the TRU Store. Inside the tent were countless Jacquelines, Dr Death, and Toy Biz Scott Halls. As fun as a huge clearance tent was, I would use my time machine to travel back to get my first couple BCA figures again. I picked up Series 2 Bret Hart and Undertaker at TRU sometime in 1997, with the Survivor Series box set to follow. If I could I would have picked up the whole set! I would have also used a time machine to stop my brother from throwing my green Ultimate Warrior against the wall, breaking its leg off Yeah, I do wish I would have asked a few of those sellers about the condition of the boxes, but from what I remember the photos all looked legitimate to me. I mean, it's not like the Series 1 Bret/HBK figures were that much more desirable than their Series 2 repaints. Why would someone feel the need to swap those out and replace them with nearly identical versions? It doesn't make sense, and that's before you consider that these all belonged to sellers in different cities across the U.S. Another reason why I think variants might exist is because the back card of the Razor Ramon and Diesel 2-pack gives us a preview of what it might look like:  Did Jakks know something that the rest of us didn't about there being multiple versions of the Survivor Series 4-pack? |
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Post by Chicago on May 7, 2015 14:47:09 GMT -5
 From left to right: Superstars Series 6, Superstars Series 2, Best of '97 Series 1, Hart vs. Hart Family Feud 2-pack, 2 Tuff Series 3 2-pack. It's quite possible that the BCA line could lose the bragging rights to the last action figures made of Owen Hart before his death if the news is true that WWE is planning an Owen Hart DVD and Blu-Ray release with the full backing and support of Owen's widow, Martha Hart, and family. This is fantastic news and hopefully will lead to Mattel acquiring the rights to use Owen Hart's likeness for an upcoming action figure. I think it's imperative that Mattel release a Defining Moments/Flashback Elite "King of Harts" Owen Hart from the prime of his career in 1994 WWF. Although, I wouldn't mind if they eventually got around to a Hart Foundation era figure from 1997 WWF or "Black Hart" Owen Hart figure from late 1997/early 1998 WWF. Those would be my three most wanted looks of Owen, but I would even be okay with an obscure High Energy or New Foundation era Owen Hart to match his Hasbro WWF figure. Anything to keep his memory alive. 5/8 Edit: Nevermind, it was too good to be true. Martha Hart and her kids do not support the project after all. With that said, here's a quick list of all of the Owen Hart figures in the BCA line (listed in chronological order): 1. Superstars Series 2 (Released October 1996) 2. Hart vs. Hart Family Feud 2-pack with Bret Hart (1 of 12,000, KB Toys Exclusive, Released February 1997) 3. Championship Title Series (#1) 4-pack with Undertaker, Rocky Maivia, and British Bulldog (Toys"R"Us Exclusive, Released October 1997) 3. Best of '97 Series 1 (Toys"R"Us Exclusive, Released December 1997) 4. S.T.O.M.P. Series 2 "Underwater Siege" (Released August 1998) 5. Grudge Match Series 2-pack with HHH (Released September 1998) 6. Superstars Series 6 "Black Hart" Owen Hart (Released September 1998) 7. 2 Tuff Series 3 2-pack with "The People's Champion" The Rock (Released February 1999) 8. DTA Tour Series 2 (as Blue Blazer) (Wal-Mart Exclusive, Released May 1999) |
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Post by Chicago on May 11, 2015 12:14:55 GMT -5
Has anyone been able to track down any prototypes from BCA Series 4 and later? It almost sickens me to post this, but check out what I just found within the past hour. sowf.freeservers.com/ARRIVAL/?thumb=1 (If the link doesn't work, check below for screen grabs)    Here is the post that tipped me off to the BCA prototypes: www.network54.com/Forum/22962/message/1011844930Sadly, the thumbnail images are all that exist (unless the owner/seller were to come forward on here...13 years after the fact). It's like waves of excitement and disappointment are crashing together inside of me right now.  |
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on May 11, 2015 19:42:44 GMT -5
Dr D. Right to Censor? I don't remember him being in the group! Around 10 years ago or so I received got a BCA Prototype identical to this one. sowf.freeservers.com/cgi-bin/i/ARRIVAL/Taker(Proto).jpg - Do you think they made a prototype for every re-released version of that figure, or had the same couple handy for future re-releases? |
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Post by Chicago on May 11, 2015 21:07:07 GMT -5
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Post by Chicago on May 12, 2015 19:01:10 GMT -5
Both Survivor Series sets I've had, one of which I bought in stores when it was released, has the Series 1 grouping with no variations. I guess I should trust this if there are enough cases to support the variations on the box set. Maybe we should ask the sellers posting them if the tape is still sealed? I got in touch with the guy selling the Survivor Series 4-pack variation with Series 2 HBK and this is what he wrote back: I'll keep an eye out for any other possible variations. |
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