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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 4, 2010 0:28:34 GMT -5
...did you read the original post? Yes, since he mentions that he doesn't drink soda or eat fast food. Actually he says he doesn't drink "caffeine sodas" and eats fast food "regularly" - so uh, did you read HIS post?
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Aug 4, 2010 0:29:47 GMT -5
"I'm not addicted to cocaine...I just like the way it smells."
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 4, 2010 8:27:07 GMT -5
Addiction is actually a very clearly defined clinical term. Liking to eat Baconators doesn't generally fall under that category.
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 4, 2010 8:34:32 GMT -5
Until I start to beg people for a Baconator and a Dr. Pepper in exchange for sexual favors. Then no. I am not addicted or dependent on them. My God man that's brilliant. For some reason I always get a Baconator and a Frosty. I must get a Dr. Pepper now.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 4, 2010 10:08:22 GMT -5
What about in that Movie Super Size Me? When the guy is weeks into the experiment, and he starts to feel happy when he eats McDonald's. When he mentions that to his doctor, she says it's starting to act like a drug that he's become dependent on in order to feel happy. Maybe other people have similar effects but don't realize it. You don't necessarily have to beg people for sex for a big mac (although I don't know why you would need to, as they're generally affordable), but eating this kind of food has other effects on you that you don't realize.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 4, 2010 10:48:42 GMT -5
What about in that Movie Super Size Me? When the guy is weeks into the experiment, and he starts to feel happy when he eats McDonald's. When he mentions that to his doctor, she says it's starting to act like a drug that he's become dependent on in order to feel happy. Maybe other people have similar effects but don't realize it. You don't necessarily have to beg people for sex for a big mac (although I don't know why you would need to, as they're generally affordable), but eating this kind of food has other effects on you that you don't realize. The DSM clearly defines substance addiction: None of this applies to people enjoying scarfing down a Big Mac. Behavioral addiction is generally defined as engaging in a particular behavior despite it's harmful effects that the user himself realizes. None of this applies to eating Big Macs either.
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Post by Mole on Aug 4, 2010 10:54:28 GMT -5
Yes, since he mentions that he doesn't drink soda or eat fast food. Actually he says he doesn't drink "caffeine sodas" and eats fast food "regularly" - so uh, did you read HIS post? not at all. I am straight edge. I don't do drugs. I don't drink alcohol. I don't smoke and cigarettes generally disgust me. I don't drink caffine sodas at all. I rarely eat fast food. so no, "we all" aren't drug addicts. rarely =/= regularly So, yes. I read his post. Apparently, you still haven't. Also, the main thing people can get "addicted" to in Soda is caffeine.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 4, 2010 12:39:29 GMT -5
Caffeine is technically a drug, isn't it? A lot of people are addicted to coffee and soda. In fact there's a new DD commercial where a guy is rude to people and tells them not to talk to him until he's had his coffee. That's pretty much admitting that coffee is addicting and rubbing it in peoples faces because they know people will always buy their coffee no matter what. That's how I took it anyway. Fast food might not apply to this, but coffee, soda, and anything else that has caffeine definitely does, you can't deny that. I know people that consume a lot of caffeine, and they told me when they stop they suffer from major withdrawals. Now that is definitely addictive behavior. So many people consume a lot of caffeine each day, and they have a need for it and can't function without out it. So wouldn't being addicted to caffeine make you a drug addict?
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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 4, 2010 12:53:18 GMT -5
Actually he says he doesn't drink "caffeine sodas" and eats fast food "regularly" - so uh, did you read HIS post? not at all. I am straight edge. I don't do drugs. I don't drink alcohol. I don't smoke and cigarettes generally disgust me. I don't drink caffine sodas at all. I rarely eat fast food. so no, "we all" aren't drug addicts. rarely =/= regularly So, yes. I read his post. Apparently, you still haven't. Also, the main thing people can get "addicted" to in Soda is caffeine. MMMkay, but you said he "doesn't" - i.e. never. Not "regularly" - so say whatcha mean, and mean whatcha say. --I really, really hope you know I'm not being serious at all, lol.
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Post by K5 on Aug 4, 2010 16:10:43 GMT -5
The DSM clearly defines substance addiction: None of this applies to people enjoying scarfing down a Big Mac. Behavioral addiction is generally defined as engaging in a particular behavior despite it's harmful effects that the user himself realizes. None of this applies to eating Big Macs either. umm, i'd say most people eating big macs are aware of it's harmful contents and still choose to eat it. msg and lots of salts are put in the food to send signals to your chemical receptors, mainly serotonin. that's pretty ing close to a drug pal, and one can definetly have it with mcdonalds. hell, in supersize me, he admits to having a problem stopping.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 4, 2010 16:24:36 GMT -5
The DSM clearly defines substance addiction: None of this applies to people enjoying scarfing down a Big Mac. Behavioral addiction is generally defined as engaging in a particular behavior despite it's harmful effects that the user himself realizes. None of this applies to eating Big Macs either. umm, i'd say most people eating big macs are aware of it's harmful contents and still choose to eat it. msg and lots of salts are put in the food to send signals to your chemical receptors, mainly serotonin. that's pretty ing close to a drug pal, and one can definetly have it with mcdonalds. hell, in supersize me, he admits to having a problem stopping. We may have had our disagreements in the other thread, but I definitely agree with you there.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Aug 4, 2010 16:34:50 GMT -5
Eh, I see your point, but I'd have to disagree with you here.
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Post by Double J on Aug 4, 2010 17:10:29 GMT -5
You're comparing apples to to agent orange in this sense. The negative consequences for eating a Big Mac aren't what they are talking about. A negative consequence for spending your entire paycheck on Big Macs, having your family leave you and suffering from heart failure at 35 is the kind of consequence medical journals refer to as negative consequences.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 4, 2010 17:42:55 GMT -5
The DSM clearly defines substance addiction: None of this applies to people enjoying scarfing down a Big Mac. Behavioral addiction is generally defined as engaging in a particular behavior despite it's harmful effects that the user himself realizes. None of this applies to eating Big Macs either. umm, i'd say most people eating big macs are aware of it's harmful contents and still choose to eat it. msg and lots of salts are put in the food to send signals to your chemical receptors, mainly serotonin. that's pretty ing close to a drug pal, and one can definetly have it with mcdonalds. hell, in supersize me, he admits to having a problem stopping. You're incorrect. It's not the same. Try talking to a sex addict who skips his parents 25th wedding anniversary to hook up with strangers on the Internet or the crack addict who sells his TV so he can get drugs. True addictions are when the addict knows what he is doing is harmful. He knows that what he is doing is costing him his health, his family, his career, his finances, etc.... He knows this, but he still does it anyway. The addiction is in complete control of his life. Look at smoker's. They know that smoking is going to give them cancer. They know that they're basically social outcasts. They know that smoking has these terrible affects on their health, but they smoke anyways. That's addiction.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 4, 2010 18:35:24 GMT -5
umm, i'd say most people eating big macs are aware of it's harmful contents and still choose to eat it. msg and lots of salts are put in the food to send signals to your chemical receptors, mainly serotonin. that's pretty ing close to a drug pal, and one can definetly have it with mcdonalds. hell, in supersize me, he admits to having a problem stopping. You're incorrect. It's not the same. Try talking to a sex addict who skips his parents 25th wedding anniversary to hook up with strangers on the Internet or the crack addict who sells his TV so he can get drugs. True addictions are when the addict knows what he is doing is harmful. He knows that what he is doing is costing him his health, his family, his career, his finances, etc.... He knows this, but he still does it anyway. The addiction is in complete control of his life. Look at smoker's. They know that smoking is going to give them cancer. They know that they're basically social outcasts. They know that smoking has these terrible affects on their health, but they smoke anyways. That's addiction. Just like a person who eats a Big Mac. They know eating Big Macs is bad for their heart. They know it will make them fat, therefore making them social outcasts. They know that eating Big Macs has terrible effects on their health, but they eat them anyway. That's also an addiction.
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Post by Double J on Aug 4, 2010 19:28:51 GMT -5
You're thinking WAY too concretely on addiction. It's not black and white. Addiction isn't as simple as "a Big Mac is bad for you, yet you still eat it" It's not cut and dry. Your scenario is A+B=C. For food addiction, it's more algebraic. It's easy to see it that way, and I can understand why, but it's just not as simple as that. It can be as simple as that with hard drugs or alcohol since by their very nature, they're designed to hurt you. They are toxic. But once you move away from substances like that, the rules change a little. I'm glad that some people are at least somewhat interested in the topic. I think it's important for today's society to understand the disease.
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