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Post by extreme on Aug 13, 2010 20:44:15 GMT -5
I sort of missed these back and forths between oskanowski and everyone else.
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 13, 2010 21:13:33 GMT -5
I listened. Your argument is that if you don't watch the video, you don't have the right to respond to it, therefore you won't answer any arguments from people who didn't watch the video. If you did watch the video, then any arguments you have are with the person who made the video so you won't answer any arguments from people who watched the video. Absolutely brilliant. No.. I won't answer any arguments at all if you watched it or not, BUT.. you don't have a right to give an opinion on the video unless you watched it. That's what I've said.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 13, 2010 22:19:55 GMT -5
I listened. Your argument is that if you don't watch the video, you don't have the right to respond to it, therefore you won't answer any arguments from people who didn't watch the video. If you did watch the video, then any arguments you have are with the person who made the video so you won't answer any arguments from people who watched the video. Absolutely brilliant. No.. I won't answer any arguments at all if you watched it or not, BUT.. you don't have a right to give an opinion on the video unless you watched it. That's what I've said. Mole watched it. You didn't answer his arguments. How do I not have the right to give an opinion when I'm familiar with all the BS arguments already? I have to watch the video and hear all the arguments all over again?
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 13, 2010 22:27:24 GMT -5
No.. I won't answer any arguments at all if you watched it or not, BUT.. you don't have a right to give an opinion on the video unless you watched it. That's what I've said. Mole watched it. You didn't answer his arguments. How do I not have the right to give an opinion when I'm familiar with all the BS arguments already? I have to watch the video and hear all the arguments all over again? To have a valid argument, yes.. & he stated arguments. That's great? I never said I would judge his arguments if he stated them, I even said It don't matter if the opinion is agreeing or disagreeing with me, I just want to see opinions on this subject. What he did was write down a bunch of things, that he should now copy and send to the creator of the video to get his answer. I didn't create the videos.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 13, 2010 23:46:00 GMT -5
So again, if you don't watch the video, you don't respond because people who watch the video have no right to respond. If you do watch the video, you don't respond because it's not your video. You share the same opinions as the author and agree with the video, but feel no need to respond to anyone daring to question your opinion.
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 14, 2010 8:12:49 GMT -5
So again, if you don't watch the video, you don't respond because people who watch the video have no right to respond. If you do watch the video, you don't respond because it's not your video. You share the same opinions as the author and agree with the video, but feel no need to respond to anyone daring to question your opinion. *facepalm* Like I've said over and over.. I'm not responding to any questions about the video, it's not my video, and not my place to do so since I'm not the creator. I wanted opinions from people that DID watch the video, I don't want people's opinions that have no clue what the video is about. AND.. Once again, I never said I agree with the video, I said it somewhat makes sense, but that's not saying I think it's 100% the truth.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 14, 2010 8:33:59 GMT -5
No, you asked how people could not believe it.
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Post by HoganBai on Aug 14, 2010 9:05:51 GMT -5
I'm speechless. Genuinely speechless. Best thread ever.
So osk, you won't answer comments on the video, because it's not your video.
You won't answer questions about your beliefs on the subject, for no real reason.
You won't engage in a discussion with people who HAVE seen the video - because you never said you would (even though this was posted FOR discussion)
You won't engage in a discussion with anyone who hasn't seen the video - because they can't have an opinion. they must see this video to have an opinion.
You post it, proclaiming to believe in it, wondering how anybody could disregard it, but when somebody calls you out on it, because you have stuck your head on the line by posting it - you deny you ever endorsed this video.
So it seems you just wanted to post the link, and shut the topic, because you don't seem to want any communication on the subject. Maybe just shut up, for a while?
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 14, 2010 9:15:37 GMT -5
No, you asked how people could not believe it. Yes.. And if you went back and read I already explained myself by what I meant... I'm speechless. Genuinely speechless. Best thread ever. 1. So osk, you won't answer comments on the video, because it's not your video. 2. You won't answer questions about your beliefs on the subject, for no real reason. 3. You won't engage in a discussion with people who HAVE seen the video - because you never said you would (even though this was posted FOR discussion) 4. You won't engage in a discussion with anyone who hasn't seen the video - because they can't have an opinion. they must see this video to have an opinion. 5. You post it, proclaiming to believe in it, wondering how anybody could disregard it, but when somebody calls you out on it, because you have stuck your head on the line by posting it - you deny you ever endorsed this video. 6. So it seems you just wanted to post the link, and shut the topic, because you don't seem to want any communication on the subject. Maybe just shut up, for a while? 1. Correct. Because It's not my place to do so since I never created the video and simply wanted opinions from those who watched it. 2. I've already answered why I think it somewhat makes sense... 3. Once again.. Because I'm not going to change what they are believing about the Illuminati, I once again.. Just wanted opinions on the subject from people willing to watch the vidoes, and after alll you idiots spammed the thread, one person for sure watched them all, maybe two. 4. Why would I for one discuss things with people that aren't willing to come into the thread and do what the thread is about, which is watching the videos and giving an opinion on the subject, and two, why would I discuss things when I never said I would. 5. Already explained what I meant by " how could you not believe it? " People aren't believing it when they are watching less than 10 mins of an hour long video, that goes into several different topics. Me saying " How can you not believe in it? " doesn't mean I believe 100% in it, I've already said I think it somewhat makes sense, but that.. Once again, isn't me saying I believe in it 100%. 6. Maybe do your research before posting? Sounds good too me seeing how you have no clue what you're talking about, and still haven't watched the videos to give a good opinion on anything except spamming a thread.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 14, 2010 9:23:38 GMT -5
Obama is a Nazi. It's all in the video. How can you not believe it? If you question me on this topic without watching the entire video I won't respond. If you do watch the entire video (both parts) and respond, I won't respond to you because it's not my video. I'm not saying it's 100% truth, but how can you not believe this? The facts are right there.
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Post by HoganBai on Aug 14, 2010 9:27:37 GMT -5
6. Maybe do your research before posting? Sounds good too me seeing how you have no clue what you're talking about, and still haven't watched the videos to give a good opinion on anything except spamming a thread. Errr...yes I have watched the videos. You even commented on that. Here is the evidence. By the way, I relented and watched parts 2 and 3. And it has done nothing. The video makes sweeping generalisations about this Illuminati by saying what they can do, and what they have done, all while giving no proof other then "LOOK AT THE SYMBOLS!" Yeah, so...how do you know these symbols are to do with the occult. It's essentially fan fiction. The "rain man" situation had a sort of legible argument as to why it is mentioned, but then when it said "Rain Man the movie IS THE DEVIL" is when I laughed and turned it off. This is no proof, it is a video of someone like you saying what they think. How do you know they are placing symbols everywhere, for such a secret society, this film-maker sure does know a LOT about what they've done, all the while not showing his evidence, just by saying "Well, all of these guys have referred to selling their soul, therefore it must be the occult" Oh wait, he doesn't know. It is his opinion. He's given it a lot of thought, admittedly, however I still think it is the biggest load of bullpoop I've ever seen. ---------------------------------------------------------- *EDIT* I think it seems confusing what I've wrote, even though it made sense in my head. Basically my point is that when things like this are said (and these are direct quotes) "...It's the same reason they place the symbols everywhere" "...for millenia, the Illuminati have known the power of the conscious and unconscious mind..." That there is no proof that this has been the case. Hence why it seems like a story, to stir up some controversy, and while the story behind it is in depth, there is no proof. The fact Jay Sean dances on a black and white checkerboard floor does not prove anything. Anybody can say "Err, well, this is satanism and so is this, this and this, I know a group was behind it". Well no, you don't, you just come up with this story. The biggest flaw is that it is meant to be a secret society, and while at points the video says "Well it hides things in plain sight", that doesn't excuse the fact some random guy with a YouTube account seems to know their entire history. I have no doubt oskanowski will say "Well, it's obvious, these signs have been here for years", but there is still no PROOF of anything. Hence why I make the comparison to religion. Just because there is a story that has been around for a long time doesn't make it truth. So there, I've watched some, but I've had enough. and your reply... By the way, I relented and watched parts 2 and 3. And it has done nothing. The video makes sweeping generalisations about this Illuminati by saying what they can do, and what they have done, all while giving no proof other then "LOOK AT THE SYMBOLS!" Yeah, so...how do you know these symbols are to do with the occult. It's essentially fan fiction. The "rain man" situation had a sort of legible argument as to why it is mentioned, but then when it said "Rain Man the movie IS THE DEVIL" is when I laughed and turned it off. This is no proof, it is a video of someone like you saying what they think. How do you know they are placing symbols everywhere, for such a secret society, this film-maker sure does know a LOT about what they've done, all the while not showing his evidence, just by saying "Well, all of these guys have referred to selling their soul, therefore it must be the occult" Oh wait, he doesn't know. It is his opinion. He's given it a lot of thought, admittedly, however I still think it is the biggest load of bullpoop I've ever seen. Agree or disagree.. That's fine. Atleast you and Mole are watching the videos & having enough common sense to state opinions after watching the videos. Unlike most in this thread who's just spamming without watching any other videos. And you call ME an idiot and say I have no idea what I'm on about.
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 14, 2010 9:59:15 GMT -5
Okay so you were the other one, cool. I knew there was Mole and someone else that watched them. Obama is a Nazi. It's all in the video. How can you not believe it? If you question me on this topic without watching the entire video I won't respond. If you do watch the entire video (both parts) and respond, I won't respond to you because it's not my video. I'm not saying it's 100% truth, but how can you not believe this? The facts are right there. Typical Hulk.. Going off topic. At least we know Hulk thinks Obama is a Nazi though, that's kinda sad.. I figured he'd think Obama was a Muslim. But anyways.. You actually did say it was 100% truth because you said you think he's a Nazi by saying, " Obama is a Nazi "
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Post by extreme on Aug 14, 2010 10:05:59 GMT -5
Okay so you were the other one, cool. I knew there was Mole and someone else that watched them. Obama is a Nazi. It's all in the video. How can you not believe it? If you question me on this topic without watching the entire video I won't respond. If you do watch the entire video (both parts) and respond, I won't respond to you because it's not my video. I'm not saying it's 100% truth, but how can you not believe this? The facts are right there. Typical Hulk.. Going off topic. At least we know Hulk thinks Obama is a Nazi though, that's kinda sad.. I figured he'd think Obama was a Muslim. But anyways.. You actually did say it was 100% truth because you said you think he's a Nazi by saying, " Obama is a Nazi " I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
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Post by K5 on Aug 14, 2010 10:40:09 GMT -5
the only controversy or conspiracy i invest my thoughts in, is that of the inevitable peak oil crisis.
that's what we should be discussing.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 14, 2010 11:15:57 GMT -5
Look at it this way. Let's say you go to a lecture on the Theory of Relativity. The lecturer explains the theory and says during the lecture, "How can you not believe this? The facts are there." As you listen, you find several flaws in the theory so you approach the lecturer after the fact and ask him to explain these problems you've found. He responds by saying, "It's not my theory, it's Einstein's. Ask him." To you, that is a legitimate response.
Or look at it another way. Let's say you go to a concert for a popular band. You hate the concert and hate the band. So you come online and rant about how you hated the concert and hated the band. According to your logic, no one can respond to your post unless they were actually at the concert.
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 14, 2010 12:25:58 GMT -5
Look at it this way. Let's say you go to a lecture on the Theory of Relativity. The lecturer explains the theory and says during the lecture, "How can you not believe this? The facts are there." As you listen, you find several flaws in the theory so you approach the lecturer after the fact and ask him to explain these problems you've found. He responds by saying, "It's not my theory, it's Einstein's. Ask him." To you, that is a legitimate response. Or look at it another way. Let's say you go to a concert for a popular band. You hate the concert and hate the band. So you come online and rant about how you hated the concert and hated the band. According to your logic, no one can respond to your post unless they were actually at the concert. But I never said " How can you not believe this? The facts are there " I said, " If you don't believe this? How can you not? " & Yeah.. pretty much.. Why would someone that wasn't at the concert give an opinion about how the concert was or judged someone that thought otherwise? That's like never tasting mountain dew, and then seeing someone drink mountain dew and hearing them say " man this is the best " and you respond with " no, mountain dew sucks " ... You can't give an opinion unless you tried it. Same with the videos.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 14, 2010 12:42:27 GMT -5
Look at it this way. Let's say you go to a lecture on the Theory of Relativity. The lecturer explains the theory and says during the lecture, "How can you not believe this? The facts are there." As you listen, you find several flaws in the theory so you approach the lecturer after the fact and ask him to explain these problems you've found. He responds by saying, "It's not my theory, it's Einstein's. Ask him." To you, that is a legitimate response. Or look at it another way. Let's say you go to a concert for a popular band. You hate the concert and hate the band. So you come online and rant about how you hated the concert and hated the band. According to your logic, no one can respond to your post unless they were actually at the concert. But I never said " How can you not believe this? The facts are there " I said, " If you don't believe this? How can you not? " & Yeah.. pretty much.. Why would someone that wasn't at the concert give an opinion about how the concert was or judged someone that thought otherwise? That's like never tasting mountain dew, and then seeing someone drink mountain dew and hearing them say " man this is the best " and you respond with " no, mountain dew sucks " ... You can't give an opinion unless you tried it. Same with the videos. Fine so if they scientist said, "If you don't believe this, how can you not?" you'd be ok with him telling you you needed to talk to Einstein about any problems with his theory? Then why even post the videos in the first place? By your logic, no one can respond to them.
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 14, 2010 12:57:09 GMT -5
if the scientist told me " if you don't believe this, how can you not? " he's not telling me to talk to Einstein, he's asking a question of " If you don't believe this, how can you not? " and wanting opinions of how they can't believe it.
Already said... I posted the videos to get an opinion, I've said that 20 times now, you're stupid and don't listen. go away.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 14, 2010 13:02:19 GMT -5
if the scientist told me " if you don't believe this, how can you not? " he's not telling me to talk to Einstein, he's asking a question of " If you don't believe this, how can you not? " and wanting opinions of how they can't believe it. Already said... I posted the videos to get an opinion, I've said that 20 times now, you're stupid and don't listen. go away. And you got opinions. Some of them you bashed. Others you ignored. None of them you responded to. You're not a troll, yet everything you post turns into a fight. But you're not a troll.
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 14, 2010 13:19:03 GMT -5
If turns into a fight because you come in and always bash me, and you never read you ask the samething over and over. And post things such as " Living in the basement " to get me angry, you are being a troll.. The opinions I got were, ONCE AGAIN.. From people that didn't watch all the videos, and the opinions I did get that were from those who watched the videos, I already responded with, " agree or disagree, I don't care, atleast they are watching the videos and giving an opinion " I never once said, " If you watch the videos and give an opinion, I'll respond back to what you had to say "
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