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Post by slappy on Aug 14, 2010 3:28:51 GMT -5
I've usually taken his words to be the ramblings of a crazy man. Eh, you gotta spit out what you don't like and listen to what's there. Just because someone's anti-Obama doesn't mean he's homophobic or a theocrat. I know lots of gays and atheists who are conservative/libertarian. I don't care that he's anti-Obama. I'm just sick of his "socialism is running through this country." And his fake tears.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2010 3:30:55 GMT -5
Eh, you gotta spit out what you don't like and listen to what's there. Just because someone's anti-Obama doesn't mean he's homophobic or a theocrat. I know lots of gays and atheists who are conservative/libertarian. I don't care that he's anti-Obama. I'm just sick of his "socialism is running through this country." And his fake tears. Well, clearly this isn't Soviet Russia, because he's a millionaire. He's a theatrical gimmick. There are those on the left (Michael Moore), right (Beck, Limbaugh), the EXTREME right (Alex Jones), and everywhere else. Just how it goes. I enjoy Beck's work though.
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Post by Adam on Aug 14, 2010 10:06:40 GMT -5
Isn't it hysterical when people say they want gays to have just as much rights as straight people, but when it gets to marriage the equality just stops dead cold?
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Post by K5 on Aug 14, 2010 10:53:30 GMT -5
i'd like to see canada's polls. i bet 75% approval since mid-nineties even.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2010 12:22:39 GMT -5
i'd like to see canada's polls. i bet 75% approval since mid-nineties even. Just out of curiosity - I know that Canada is considered pretty progressive during this day and age, but does it vary as you move to more rural areas? Or are even people in those areas somewhat progressive as well?
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 14, 2010 12:27:06 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Christians are against Gay Marriage? Because its in the Bible. Its a religious thing for Christians, its a political thing for everyone else.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 14, 2010 12:29:21 GMT -5
Why do straight people care so much about what gay people do, and why should straight people be allowed to legally dictate what gay people can do?
Like seriously....if you hate gay people, why? How does if affect you? Like you are just sitting in your house having lunch one day, would it ruin your day for some reason to know that somewhere in this country a gay couple are getting married? It doesn't affect you and it shouldn't concern you.
I mean, this is the country that thought it was GREAT when that wacko lady wanted to get married to a freaking DOLPHIN, but a same sex couple trying to get married causes an uproar?
People need to get over themselves and realize that marriage isn't some religious or sacred entity that needs to be protected and upheld. It's not like the straight people were doing such a great job respecting it.
I actually think gay couples would respect marriage more because they actually unfortunately have to FIGHT for it in most cases, unlike straight people who go off and get married and divorced on a whim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2010 12:32:22 GMT -5
Why do straight people care so much about what gay people do, and why should straight people be allowed to legally dictate what gay people can do? Like seriously.... if you hate gay people, why? How does if affect you? Like you are just sitting in your house having lunch one day, would it ruin your day for some reason to know that somewhere in this country a gay couple are getting married? It doesn't affect you and it shouldn't concern you. I mean, this is the country that thought it was GREAT when that wacko lady wanted to get married to a freaking DOLPHIN, but a same sex couple trying to get married causes an uproar? People need to get over themselves and realize that marriage isn't some religious or sacred entity that needs to be protected and upheld. It's not like the straight people were doing such a great job respecting it. I actually think gay couples would respect marriage more because they actually unfortunately have to FIGHT for it in most cases, unlike straight people who go off and get married and divorced on a whim. Because it's disgusting, and un natural. Put in kind words.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 14, 2010 13:34:48 GMT -5
Why do straight people care so much about what gay people do, and why should straight people be allowed to legally dictate what gay people can do? Like seriously.... if you hate gay people, why? How does if affect you? Like you are just sitting in your house having lunch one day, would it ruin your day for some reason to know that somewhere in this country a gay couple are getting married? It doesn't affect you and it shouldn't concern you. I mean, this is the country that thought it was GREAT when that wacko lady wanted to get married to a freaking DOLPHIN, but a same sex couple trying to get married causes an uproar? People need to get over themselves and realize that marriage isn't some religious or sacred entity that needs to be protected and upheld. It's not like the straight people were doing such a great job respecting it. I actually think gay couples would respect marriage more because they actually unfortunately have to FIGHT for it in most cases, unlike straight people who go off and get married and divorced on a whim. Because it's disgusting, and un natural. Put in kind words. Dude, those aren't kind words at all. You really shoud find another way to express yourself on this matter. You come off sounding angry, and hateful. I'm against it all together myself, but it's a religious choice. That, in turn, reflects upon my ploitical views about it as well. So of course I'll be against the marriage. It's not about weather it effects me or not. To(most) Christians, marriage is STILL a sacred entity and bond that God put in place to be between Man and Woman. Just because the government are apart of marriage doesn't change that. Not as far as we are concerned anyway. Now you won't see me picketing outside of any Gay weddings or anything. The best thing you can do is live your life as you were. I'll continue to spread the word of Jesus Christ. Apart of that has been, and always will be that romantic relationships aren't ment to be held between the same gender. Upon learning that, it'll be that person's choice if they want to accept it or not. If not, then I'll move on to the next person. People don't realize that this is how many Christians live their lives. They instead decide to label us ALL as hateful bigots with a "my way or the highway" type mentality. They also don't realize that it's just as bad as labeling all Muslims as terrorists.
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Post by K5 on Aug 14, 2010 14:12:27 GMT -5
i'd like to see canada's polls. i bet 75% approval since mid-nineties even. Just out of curiosity - I know that Canada is considered pretty progressive during this day and age, but does it vary as you move to more rural areas? Or are even people in those areas somewhat progressive as well? well, coming from a rural area myself, i can tell you that it certainly does to a degree, but not nearly as much as you think. there may be the odd stereotypical comment, but anything racist in the least sense is considered basically intellectually- disabled talk. mostly just old alcoholics have racist/hobophobic tendencies. but for the most part, it's actually a very liberal area i live in, in terms of rights and morals.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 14, 2010 14:37:49 GMT -5
I was raised to believe its wrong, I still believe its wrong, and I'm not going to change my opinion because other people are starting to accept it. Your opinion is really quite irrelevant. In America, we don't vote on people's rights. They are given to them by the constitution of the United States and are not up for debate. Because it's disgusting, and un natural. Put in kind words. If you want to talk about "natural," then why would you even consider bringing up marriage? As a species, we are polygamists. That's how our species began. Fact. But we've become a society that believes in one mate, which is fine -- but it certainly doesn't mean that it's "natural." I think it's disgusting and un-natural for morbidly fat people to have sex, but you don't see me on the streets, clamoring for their rights to do so to be taken away.
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Post by Adam on Aug 14, 2010 23:15:01 GMT -5
Why do straight people care so much about what gay people do, and why should straight people be allowed to legally dictate what gay people can do? Like seriously.... if you hate gay people, why? How does if affect you? Like you are just sitting in your house having lunch one day, would it ruin your day for some reason to know that somewhere in this country a gay couple are getting married? It doesn't affect you and it shouldn't concern you. I mean, this is the country that thought it was GREAT when that wacko lady wanted to get married to a freaking DOLPHIN, but a same sex couple trying to get married causes an uproar? People need to get over themselves and realize that marriage isn't some religious or sacred entity that needs to be protected and upheld. It's not like the straight people were doing such a great job respecting it. I actually think gay couples would respect marriage more because they actually unfortunately have to FIGHT for it in most cases, unlike straight people who go off and get married and divorced on a whim. Because it's disgusting, and un natural. Put in kind words. Even though it's common in the animal kingdom...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2010 23:23:54 GMT -5
Because it's disgusting, and un natural. Put in kind words. Even though it's common in the animal kingdom... I'm not mentioning same-sex, but Seahorses are born via the male. So really the "un-natural" argument holds no legitimacy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 0:53:44 GMT -5
Even though it's common in the animal kingdom... I'm not mentioning same-sex, but Seahorses are born via the male. So really the "un-natural" argument holds no legitimacy. Animals also sometimes eat their babies, should we also do that? I'm not against homosexuality, but I think like an attorney so I like to argue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 0:56:02 GMT -5
I was raised to believe its wrong, I still believe its wrong, and I'm not going to change my opinion because other people are starting to accept it. Your opinion is really quite irrelevant. In America, we don't vote on people's rights. They are given to them by the constitution of the United States and are not up for debate. Because it's disgusting, and un natural. Put in kind words. If you want to talk about "natural," then why would you even consider bringing up marriage? As a species, we are polygamists. That's how our species began. Fact. But we've become a society that believes in one mate, which is fine -- but it certainly doesn't mean that it's "natural." I think it's disgusting and un-natural for morbidly fat people to have sex, but you don't see me on the streets, clamoring for their rights to do so to be taken away. Do you think the framers of the Constitution upheld to the idea that gay marriage should exist? It was 1776, we can assume that the answer is basically no. At the same time, many supported slavery as well and that was amended. I'm just saying, if you're a strict Constitutionalist, you'd have to contradict yourself on the definition of freedom, because some of the framers certainly did.
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Post by slappy on Aug 15, 2010 0:58:14 GMT -5
I'm not mentioning same-sex, but Seahorses are born via the male. So really the "un-natural" argument holds no legitimacy. Animals also sometimes eat their babies, should we also do that? I'm not against homosexuality, but I think like an attorney so I like to argue. I'm sure some people do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 0:58:37 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity - I know that Canada is considered pretty progressive during this day and age, but does it vary as you move to more rural areas? Or are even people in those areas somewhat progressive as well? well, coming from a rural area myself, i can tell you that it certainly does to a degree, but not nearly as much as you think. there may be the odd stereotypical comment, but anything racist in the least sense is considered basically intellectually- disabled talk. mostly just old alcoholics have racist/hobophobic tendencies. but for the most part, it's actually a very liberal area i live in, in terms of rights and morals. That's good to hear. I'm glad that some places are moving in the right direction. Then again, there are people all over the world moving in all sorts of directions. In one neighborhood you might find a radical Marxist living next to a radical Libertarian. Strange world we live in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 1:01:28 GMT -5
Animals also sometimes eat their babies, should we also do that? I'm not against homosexuality, but I think like an attorney so I like to argue. I'm sure some people do. Well that'd be interesting to see. Curious question - Should an openly gay person that is against gay marriage (not a closet, self-hating gay, but an openly gay person that is against gay marriage) have the right to marry, if gay marriage was legalized? Obviously he wouldn't choose to get married either way, being against gay marriage, but should the right to do it, include him?
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Post by slappy on Aug 15, 2010 1:04:08 GMT -5
Well that'd be interesting to see. Curious question - Should an openly gay person that is against gay marriage (not a closet, self-hating gay, but an openly gay person that is against gay marriage) have the right to marry, if gay marriage was legalized? Obviously he wouldn't choose to get married either way, being against gay marriage, but should the right to do it, include him? Of course. Just like the story I read years ago about this white racist who didn't like mixing of the races falling in love with a black woman. They got to marry even though he most likely previously thought it was disgusting for the two to have done so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2010 1:07:10 GMT -5
Well that'd be interesting to see. Curious question - Should an openly gay person that is against gay marriage (not a closet, self-hating gay, but an openly gay person that is against gay marriage) have the right to marry, if gay marriage was legalized? Obviously he wouldn't choose to get married either way, being against gay marriage, but should the right to do it, include him? Of course. Just like the story I read years ago about this white racist who didn't like mixing of the races falling in love with a black woman. They got to marry even though he most likely previously thought it was disgusting for the two to have done so. Interesting. I always get a kick out of the stories with Jews that become Neo-Nazis. Frank Collin was the leader of the American Neo-Nazi Party back in the 1960s, and it came out that he was of Jewish heritage, father's original last name was Cohen, and that he was conceived in a concentration camp. Opposite direction of the thing you mentioned, but still interesting.
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