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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 16, 2010 8:30:17 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on the NYC Mosque. Whether all Muslims are terrorists or just 5% of Muslims are terrorists, it's in bad taste to build an Islamic Mosque near Ground Zero. Constitutionally, they have every right to do it, and I'm not denying that. However, when some of the religion's teachings, (not necesarily the religion) itself, is to blame for over 3,000 deaths in one day in one of the most hainous attacks in our country's history, a monument to that religion should not be built anywhere relatively close. Not saying that they can't legally do it, but if they're wanting to show the American people that they're not all terrorists and that they love America, they're going about it the wrong way. So if Christians wanted to build a church 3 blocks from the Tiller clinic, you'd oppose that as well? And if WBC wanted to build a church 3 blocks from the site where a gay guy was beaten to death, you'd oppose that as well? By denying them their constitutional right to freedom of worship aren't we telling the Muslim world that we blame each and every one of them for 9/11? The bigotry in this country astounds me. It never goes away. The only thing that changes is who we hate. It's the Irish, the Japanese, the blacks, the Jews, the Muslims, it doesn't matter. Why is it that so many people have to hate <insert name of minority here>.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 11:30:02 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on the NYC Mosque. Whether all Muslims are terrorists or just 5% of Muslims are terrorists, it's in bad taste to build an Islamic Mosque near Ground Zero. Constitutionally, they have every right to do it, and I'm not denying that. However, when some of the religion's teachings, (not necesarily the religion) itself, is to blame for over 3,000 deaths in one day in one of the most hainous attacks in our country's history, a monument to that religion should not be built anywhere relatively close. Not saying that they can't legally do it, but if they're wanting to show the American people that they're not all terrorists and that they love America, they're going about it the wrong way. So if Christians wanted to build a church 3 blocks from the Tiller clinic, you'd oppose that as well? And if WBC wanted to build a church 3 blocks from the site where a gay guy was beaten to death, you'd oppose that as well? By denying them their constitutional right to freedom of worship aren't we telling the Muslim world that we blame each and every one of them for 9/11? The bigotry in this country astounds me. It never goes away. The only thing that changes is who we hate. It's the Irish, the Japanese, the blacks, the Jews, the Muslims, it doesn't matter. Why is it that so many people have to hate <insert name of minority here>. I don't hate anyone. Look 9/11 in New York has a different meaning. Building that mosque would be in bad taste to the near 3,000 victims and their families. I guess I'm racist to Muslims for that huh?
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Post by StingerSplash on Aug 16, 2010 13:43:17 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on the NYC Mosque. Whether all Muslims are terrorists or just 5% of Muslims are terrorists, it's in bad taste to build an Islamic Mosque near Ground Zero. Constitutionally, they have every right to do it, and I'm not denying that. However, when some of the religion's teachings, (not necesarily the religion) itself, is to blame for over 3,000 deaths in one day in one of the most hainous attacks in our country's history, a monument to that religion should not be built anywhere relatively close. Not saying that they can't legally do it, but if they're wanting to show the American people that they're not all terrorists and that they love America, they're going about it the wrong way. So if Christians wanted to build a church 3 blocks from the Tiller clinic, you'd oppose that as well? And if WBC wanted to build a church 3 blocks from the site where a gay guy was beaten to death, you'd oppose that as well? By denying them their constitutional right to freedom of worship aren't we telling the Muslim world that we blame each and every one of them for 9/11? The bigotry in this country astounds me. It never goes away. The only thing that changes is who we hate. It's the Irish, the Japanese, the blacks, the Jews, the Muslims, it doesn't matter. Why is it that so many people have to hate <insert name of minority here>. I never said to not let them build it. I said why there? Of all places in the city three blocks from Ground Zero? These people killed 3,000 people in the name of Allah. 3,000 lives were taken in a matter of a few hours in a hainous attack and you're saying it's not in bad taste for them to build a Mega Mosque three blocks away? The Tiller clinic wasn't a Christian terrorist attack. And what's your deal? A few months ago you were in here in the 'What's Your Religion' thread praising God. And now you're bashing Christianity like it's the root of all evil. The bigotry in the country isn't a problem. This has nothing to do with bigotry, it has everything to do with respect for those families. The idiots in this country and their short selective memories.
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Post by Mole on Aug 16, 2010 13:47:48 GMT -5
I never said to not let them build it. I said why there? Of all places in the city three blocks from Ground Zero? These people killed 3,000 people in the name of Allah.The bigotry in the country isn't a problem. This has nothing to do with bigotry, it has everything to do with respect for those families. . See, that's why bigotry in this country is a problem. The people that want to build the mosque are not the people that killed 3,000. For one thing, the people that killed the 3,000 are also dead. For another thing, not all Muslims are terrorists, you dummy, and if you think that Muslims can't build a place of worship near ground zero because "these people" did anything, then yeah, you're a bigot.
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Post by StingerSplash on Aug 16, 2010 14:36:22 GMT -5
I never said to not let them build it. I said why there? Of all places in the city three blocks from Ground Zero? These people killed 3,000 people in the name of Allah.The bigotry in the country isn't a problem. This has nothing to do with bigotry, it has everything to do with respect for those families. . See, that's why bigotry in this country is a problem. The people that want to build the mosque are not the people that killed 3,000. For one thing, the people that killed the 3,000 are also dead. For another thing, not all Muslims are terrorists, you dummy, and if you think that Muslims can't build a place of worship near ground zero because "these people" did anything, then yeah, you're a bigot. Clarify to me where I said all Muslims were terrorists. I said it nowhere. Look, I agree that not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims, but look: The fact of the matter is those Radical Terrorists (I guess I'll go with Radical since you can't say Muslim around here without being called a bigot) committed the attack. They did it. And to build a Mosque that close, is a slap in the face to the families who lost loved ones. Constitutionally, they have every right in the world to build it. Ethically, and just in plain common sense: They should know better. And Obama shouldn't have gotten involved in something that isn't on a National level. just sayin'.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 16, 2010 14:49:20 GMT -5
So if Christians wanted to build a church 3 blocks from the Tiller clinic, you'd oppose that as well? And if WBC wanted to build a church 3 blocks from the site where a gay guy was beaten to death, you'd oppose that as well? By denying them their constitutional right to freedom of worship aren't we telling the Muslim world that we blame each and every one of them for 9/11? The bigotry in this country astounds me. It never goes away. The only thing that changes is who we hate. It's the Irish, the Japanese, the blacks, the Jews, the Muslims, it doesn't matter. Why is it that so many people have to hate <insert name of minority here>. I never said to not let them build it. I said why there? Of all places in the city three blocks from Ground Zero? These people killed 3,000 people in the name of Allah. 3,000 lives were taken in a matter of a few hours in a hainous attack and you're saying it's not in bad taste for them to build a Mega Mosque three blocks away? Again, the views of the terrorists don't reflect the views of the vast majority of Muslims. The guy in charge of this mosque is a moderate Muslim who has openly condemned terrorism. Is this not the kind of Muslim you want around? A guy who condemns terrorism and promotes all religions existing peaceably? And this isn't a "Mega Mosque" it's a community center that just happens to have a mosque in it. If it was a community center with no mosque in it, no one would care regardless of who runs it. George Tiller was killed by a guy who/is a Christian and claimed God wanted him to do that. How does that not qualify as a Christian terrorist attack? And I'm not bashing Christianity. I'm just saying that all religions have nutjobs in their midst that perpetrate violence. The nutjob who killed Dr. Tiller doesn't reflect the views of all Christians any more than the nutjobs who hit the WTC reflect the views of all Muslims. How is this not bigotry? You're going to deny people their second amendment right to freedom of religion just because you don't agree with their religion. Tell me how that isn't bigotry. If they were Christians, no one would care. If they were Hindus, no one would care. If they were pagans, no one would care. If they were Satanists, few people would care. If they're Muslims, everyone has their panties in a wad.
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Post by Mole on Aug 16, 2010 14:53:09 GMT -5
Clarify to me where I said all Muslims were terrorists. I said it nowhere. I never said to not let them build it. I said why there? Of all places in the city three blocks from Ground Zero? These people killed 3,000 people in the name of Allah. 3,000 lives were taken in a matter of a few hours in a hainous attack and you're saying it's not in bad taste for them to build a Mega Mosque three blocks away? There's only two ways to look at this: you either think that all Muslims are terrorists, which would support your claim of "These people killed 3,000 people in the name of Allah," or you think that terrorists want to build the mosque, which goes back to you thinking that all Muslims are terrorists.
Look, I agree that not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims, but look: The fact of the matter is those Radical Terrorists (I guess I'll go with Radical since you can't say Muslim around here without being called a bigot) committed the attack. They did it. And to build a Mosque that close, is a slap in the face to the families who lost loved ones. The only way it is "a slap in the face to the families who lost loved ones" is if they believe that all Muslims are terrorists. Let me put it this way, would you find it right for African-Americans to not want a Methodist church to be built near their communities because most members of the KKK are Protestant?
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 16, 2010 14:57:46 GMT -5
A Muslim mosque don't need to be anywhere around the world trade center grounds. simple as that. they have the rest of New York and the entire US to build one somewhere, and they want it right around the WTC grounds why? Like others have said Muslims put mosques where they defeat and conquer, them putting one there, is just like putting one in the exact hole the towers placed. The only reason they aren't doing so is because then it would be very obvious, this way morons don't understand and catch on and some are okay with it. If it's causing this much controversy, it don't need to be done. Now if they move it far far away from the WTC grounds, sure, that's fine. But placing one right next too where they attacked and killed thousands is basically saying we win.
My opinion.
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Post by Mole on Aug 16, 2010 15:02:11 GMT -5
A Muslim mosque don't need to be anywhere around the world trade center grounds. simple as that. they have the rest of New York and the entire US to build one someone and they want it right around the WTC grounds why? Like others have said Muslims put mosques where they defeat and conquer, them putting one there, is just like putting one in the exact hole the towers placed. The only reason they aren't doing so is because then it would be very obvious, this way morons don't understand and catch on and some are okay with it. If it's causing this much controversy, it don't need to be done. Now if they move it far far away from the WTC grounds, sure, that's fine. But placing one right next too where they attacked and killed thousands is basically saying we win. My opinion. Your opinion is built off of bs. Why there? They have the building permits there. How "far far away" is far enough? Someone will always have a problem because there will always be bigotry in America.
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 16, 2010 15:12:22 GMT -5
A Muslim mosque don't need to be anywhere around the world trade center grounds. simple as that. they have the rest of New York and the entire US to build one someone and they want it right around the WTC grounds why? Like others have said Muslims put mosques where they defeat and conquer, them putting one there, is just like putting one in the exact hole the towers placed. The only reason they aren't doing so is because then it would be very obvious, this way morons don't understand and catch on and some are okay with it. If it's causing this much controversy, it don't need to be done. Now if they move it far far away from the WTC grounds, sure, that's fine. But placing one right next too where they attacked and killed thousands is basically saying we win. My opinion. Your opinion is built off of bs. Why there? They have the building permits there. How "far far away" is far enough? Someone will always have a problem because there will always be bigotry in America. Far enough where it's not right next to the WTC grounds. It's like they just wanted people to argue, you honestly believe they was thinking of this idea, and didn't expect people to go nuts? They just want to make a big deal out of this and it's working.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 16, 2010 15:12:29 GMT -5
Just a question I'd like to put out, to gauge opinion. Under the understanding that death, no matter to whom it falls, will beget mourning, for everyone is someone's son or daughter, was it in poor taste to put two crosses on Rebel Hill in Clement Park, alongside crosses for the all the victims, to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold?
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Post by slappy on Aug 16, 2010 16:21:54 GMT -5
Just a question I'd like to put out, to gauge opinion. Under the understanding that death, no matter to whom it falls, will beget mourning, for everyone is someone's son or daughter, was it in poor taste to put two crosses on Rebel Hill in Clement Park, alongside crosses for the all the victims, to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? I'm assuming that the hill is public property, if so, yes they shouldn't have put it there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 16:27:01 GMT -5
I know my post that is still current said a mosque, which is correct, but the term mega mosque is off. It's a community center a la YMCA and the mosque is a certain section of the building. The mosque is not the entire building as some opposing people have said. Just to clarify that.
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Post by Mole on Aug 16, 2010 17:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by slappy on Aug 16, 2010 19:05:28 GMT -5
Now we got Harry "No Spine" Reid weighing in saying it shouldn't be built there.
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Post by slappy on Aug 16, 2010 19:13:39 GMT -5
And I believe I heard there is a mosque 4 blocks away from Ground Zero.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Aug 16, 2010 22:09:34 GMT -5
So where is the mosque wanted to be built? I heard three blocks away & directly across the street.
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Post by slappy on Aug 16, 2010 22:18:32 GMT -5
So where is the mosque wanted to be built? I heard three blocks away & directly across the street. 3 blocks away, you can't even see Ground Zero from it and you can't see it from Ground Zero.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 16, 2010 22:21:47 GMT -5
The link Mole linked to has a map showing where it would be built.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 23:25:23 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is that the only people going to it will probably be wealthy Muslims worried more about how the stock market's doing, not giving two craps about anything "fundamentalist" about Islam; it'll probably have a Starbuck's in it and a five star restaurant and everything. In a terrible real estate market can you imagine how expensive this darn thing will probably be? In downtown NYC? Probably tens of millions if not more.
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