WAR TONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^ Well, that's the way I took it. And I guess I was wrong. I apologize. I honestly thought you were rooting for Toney. Oh well. I'm SO glad he lost. Looks good on him.

He may have an amazing boxing record, but he's off to a VERY rough start in MMA. His MMA career may be short-lived after tonight's one-sided performance.

Do you actually not understand why UFC paid him that much, and how it was anything but a "waste" to have him in the UFC? I'll explain it if you want me too.

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And what purpose was that?? To be Randy's training dummy for 3 minutes?? LOL. ;D

I'm sorry, but $700,000 for a pitiful performance like that is a HUGE waste of money. I don't know how you can possibly argue that.

The guy got embarassed and they still pay him THAT much....Wow...Talking about pissing your money away...He didn't deserve twenty bucks after a performance like that. LOL. ;D

^ Yeah and unfortunately UFC made the same mistake as they did last time. Bring in a lousy fighter and try to hype him to the moon and it backfires. Kimbo was a ing dud and James Toney is an even bigger ing dud. They both ing suck at MMA.

After a pitiful performance like that, James Toney will be extremely LUCKY to even appear on another UFC pay-per-view. He doesn't deserve another shot after getting schooled the way he did. Give it to someone else who can actually put up a half-decent fight, 'cause he can't.

The $700,000 was well worth it. Don't you realize a lot of boxing fans who never took MMA seriously will have little choice but to take a second look now. By having Toney not just lose, but lose so onesidedly, Dana may have well created millions upon millions of dollars in revenue from future pay per views. This could in fact be the final big shift from boxing to MMA in the minds of the general public. UFC was always going to have its diehard fans, but this is a way to get the attention of the mainstream sports fans. Toney's big mouth was the best thing that could have happened to this fight. It exploited the fact that so much of boxing is hype driven with little substance and boring fights. The true measure of the $700,000 will be seen in future pay per view buys.

Your missing the point so badly, its funny.

Yes I do believe he deserved the money.

I can almost gurantee you that Toney's name, and the whole "boxing vs. MMA" brought in well over an extra 100,000 PPV buys. At $40 a pop, thats $4 million because of him.

So here...I'll dumb it down...

If you gave me 700,000....and I gave you 4 million...would you do it?

sonofanarchy.......I understand your point, but there are several flaws in your thinking.
1. James Toney is a world champion boxer and no matter what, that brings a certain cred with it. There was the chance, slim as it was, that he could catch Couture coming in with a 4 ounce glove and send him to lala land instantly.
2. Dana White could not forsee the future. Any promoter pays the talent based on their drawing power, not their ability in the ring or cage. That isn't a theory on my part, that is just basic business and has always been that way.
3. The credibility that MMA has as of last night is worth far far more than the $700,000 Toney got.
4. $700,000 was a huge cut in pay for Toney, but the popularity it could bring to the UFC may well mean far bigger paydays for MMA fighters in the future. It was an investment, and a very inteligent one at that.
UFC is a business...bottom line. If they don't make money, we don't get to see them perform. The James Toney investment all but guarantees a boom for MMA in general.

The only proof that boxer James Toney trained with any reasonable effort for his Ultimate Fighting Championship debut is anecdotal – supposedly he dropped 40 pounds just to enter the Octagon at a bloated, bubbly 237.

The deck is stacked against any boxer trying to compete in mixed martial arts – just as it would be for an MMA fighter in a boxing match. It’s why almost no one even tries.

But Toney agreed to match up with UFC legend Randy Couture anyway, then he embarrassed himself and his sport by hardly looking like he prepared for a fight that was billed as boxing vs. MMA, even if it was never going to prove anything.

Instead of some definitive statement we got a ridiculous result – Couture earning an easy victory by arm triangle submission at 3:31 of the first round. Toney is nicknamed “Lights Out.” On this night, he never bothered to turn them on.

“Toney lasted longer than I thought he would,” UFC president Dana White said, which isn’t saying much.

Toney is the current IBA heavyweight boxing champion, one of 11 belts he’s held in five weight classes in his impressive career. He had only one route to victory on Saturday night: Landing a perfectly timed punch. Couture, a former All-American wrestler, shot in for a takedown. Toney, who didn’t show up for the postfight news conference, never really threw – let alone land – a significant punch. He fought in what appeared to be a boxing stance, leaving himself completely prone to a wrestling takedown, suggesting he had no idea how to defend himself.

Less than 30 seconds into the fight, Couture employed a primitive single-leg takedown, shooting in low and grabbing Toney’s ankle. The boxer fell backward in a clumsy pile, too slow and top-heavy to do anything.

“It’s pretty easy to counter,” Couture said of the single leg, noting that’s why you rarely see it in MMA. “A good grappler or a good wrestler is going to step out of that.”

Toney is neither. Once on his back, he was finished. Couture delivered some punches and elbows and eventually squeezed his neck until Toney quit rather than lose consciousness. Toney threw perhaps just one punch, a harmless, from-his-back effort.

“I didn’t feel like he demonstrated any real solid skills once he hit his back and butt,” Couture said. “He had no idea.”

Indeed he didn’t, which is why this boxing vs. MMA exhibition was mostly a farce. A young, athletic boxer who actually showed up in great condition would likely lose. Toney literally had no chance with his strategy and preparation.

Couture deemed the experiment “silly,” although he noted it would be the same if he tried to box. “James would probably knock me out in the first round.”

Probably, but it’s also likely a professional such as Couture would at least show up in shape. Toney’s body lacked definition and his stomach hung over his shorts. In MMA, where speed is a must, low body fat is imperative. Toney claimed he trained for eight months for the fight, but it barely showed.

“I’m sure he was prepared as he could’ve been,” White said. “Anyone who knows James Toney the last few years, James isn’t the most physically fit boxer.

“From the day we signed the fight in my office, he lost a lot of weight.”

That’s nice if you’re filming an episode of “The Biggest Loser.” As fights go, it was a joke. Boxing promoter Gary Shaw, a longtime rival of White’s, said Toney looked “like a very old man, slurred his words, and was non-competitive.”

“James Toney had less than a zero percent chance unless Randy had a heart attack from hearing the bell ring,” Shaw said Saturday night.

Shaw went on to call the pay-per-view a “sham,” which isn’t really true. This fight may have been, but White went to great lengths to build a fairly stacked card around it (not all the fights delivered, but on paper they looked good). Toney-Couture wasn’t the main event of the five-fight pay-per-view; Frankie Edgar defended his lightweight title against B.J. Penn in the headliner.

“I didn’t try to sell this as, ‘Tune in, you’ll see the most spectacular war,’ ” White said. “Anything can happen in a fight. … We’re not after boxing.”

And while such a sideshow didn’t speak well for MMA, what does it say for the state of boxing, that a 42-year-old James Toney is someone’s heavyweight champion?

Arguing boxing vs. mixed martial arts is a waste of time anyway. The UFC was founded, in part, to solve the age-old debate of which fighting discipline was best. UFC 1 featured a tournament won by Royce Gracie, a master of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. That was 1993. By 2010, a fighter with a command of just one discipline – no matter what it is – rarely lasts. It’s about being well-rounded and dangerous against a number of styles.

“Ninety-nine times out of 100 or 100 out of a 100, the MMA guy is going to win,” White said.

It’s why fights like these never need to be made, a problem compounded when the boxer shows up out of shape, unprepared and with no discernable strategy to do anything other than pray for a miracle punch to land.

James Toney collected a check Saturday night. Would’ve been nice if he’d made an attempt to earn it.

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Jesus Yahoo ing BLASTED Toney here. Good God, what a writeup.