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Post by CBT on Aug 17, 2010 10:23:51 GMT -5
Let it be clear, I don't mean a trained REAL submissions... Expert.
What I do mean is a wrestler that was successful in winning their matches through the use of different submissions?
I'm so tired of the WWE claiming ____ is a submission expert just because they pick up a submission or use a single submission to finish off 95% of their matches.
If I live in the 'wwe universe' bubble I would suggest all the
following are submission experts:
Chris Jericho, John Cena, Gail Kim, Chris Ben...moving on, Daniel Bryan, Steve Blackman, Ken Shamrock, every Hart, Ric Flair, Dolph Ziggler, The Great Khali, Jack Swagger, Chris Masters, Kurt Angle and even Jeff Jarrett.
Some notable names are missing. Some belong. While others get on there because the WWE decided a win by pin wasn't good enough.
So I'm not suggesting I'm an expert, but could you guys guide me toward some wrestlers who used more than 2 submissions throughout their career (past or present in the WWE) and won... Essentially someone who won their matches in a brief period of time with various submissions not a specific one or two.
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Post by Angel Beast on Aug 17, 2010 10:34:51 GMT -5
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Post by eddie eddie on Aug 17, 2010 10:35:54 GMT -5
uhh... Dan Severn.
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Post by ß®å¢K$ßâ¢k on Aug 17, 2010 10:44:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider a bunch of those guys experts...But for your question...Roddy Piper, Tazz, Eddie Guerrero, Perry Saturn, Regal, Charlie Haas, M$M, SCSA even (as Ringmaster).
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Post by Sami Hazard on Aug 17, 2010 11:36:26 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan, Kurt Angle, Jericho, CM Punk, Tazz, Regal, Benoit, Bret Hart
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Post by TD#1=My head hurts on Aug 17, 2010 11:48:49 GMT -5
Would Ken Shamrock be in this list??
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Post by LA Times on Aug 17, 2010 12:04:26 GMT -5
Dean Malenko
William Regal
Ken Shamrock
Tazz
Chris Benoit
Chris Jericho
Bret Hart
Undertaker
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 12:11:29 GMT -5
C***s B****t
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Post by kidanimation09 on Aug 17, 2010 13:51:03 GMT -5
Bret Hart
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Post by Likwid[[Southern]] on Aug 17, 2010 16:44:43 GMT -5
Does it count if you know 1,004 holds, but 502 of them are armbars?
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Post by Boy Wonder on Aug 17, 2010 17:23:01 GMT -5
Severn, Benoit and Malenko seem to be the best candidates
I really want a Dean Malenko figure now
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Post by Edgeacution on Aug 17, 2010 18:49:23 GMT -5
Like a lot of the people here have said Dean Malenko. I think another one is Lance Storm
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Post by Adam3s - V1 on Aug 17, 2010 18:55:53 GMT -5
I don't think most people got what the topic starter was asking...
Anyway the closest answer I can think of is Shamrock who had an array of potential match ending submissions although only really the Ankle Lock would get the win for him in the end.
Undertaker has gotten wins with multiple submissions but his tended to be during seperate times such as he used the triangle at one time and the Hells Gate years later.
(Off topic, Who was it that used the dragon sleep with the legs locked round? I'm thinking Blackman but can someone help me on that?)
The only other three that somewhat fit the bill is Show, Lesnar and Benoit. Show has used his Camel clutch, Cobra clutch, Bearhug and some others I think. Lesnar with the Lesnar Lock, Bearhug and some others and Benoit had the sharpshooter and the crossface and a few others.
But as far I know the WWE has never had a guy that can lock you in a hold, doesn't matter what, and the match could easily be over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 19:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 17, 2010 19:30:55 GMT -5
I would consider Shamrock and Severn the only reall submission experts as they are 2 of the few, if not only that could ACTUALLY make you submit.
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Post by Searching for a Former Clarity on Aug 17, 2010 19:45:16 GMT -5
Chris Benoit
William Regal
Chris Jericho
Dean Malenko
Kurt Angle
Ken Shamrock
Dan Severn
those guys ^
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Post by *Ricky Spanish* on Aug 17, 2010 19:49:24 GMT -5
WWE wont let you tap someone out other than your 1 finisher move but TRUE Sub Wrestlers have all been listed but I doubt other than ROH/Japan/ECW you will ever see people tap out to other than finishers
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 17, 2010 21:41:20 GMT -5
They should go with a gimmick like that, any submission could end the match. They should do it with Danielson, it would be a unique gimmick and would make matches more exciting to know any submission Danielson locked in could be a tap out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2010 21:56:05 GMT -5
lance storm also came to mind
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Post by CBT on Aug 17, 2010 22:10:23 GMT -5
I don't think most people got what the topic starter was asking... Anyway the closest answer I can think of is Shamrock who had an array of potential match ending submissions although only really the Ankle Lock would get the win for him in the end. Undertaker has gotten wins with multiple submissions but his tended to be during seperate times such as he used the triangle at one time and the Hells Gate years later. (Off topic, Who was it that used the dragon sleep with the legs locked round? I'm thinking Blackman but can someone help me on that?) The only other three that somewhat fit the bill is Show, Lesnar and Benoit. Show has used his Camel clutch, Cobra clutch, Bearhug and some others I think. Lesnar with the Lesnar Lock, Bearhug and some others and Benoit had the sharpshooter and the crossface and a few others. But as far I know the WWE has never had a guy that can lock you in a hold, doesn't matter what, and the match could easily be over. I would consider Shamrock and Severn the only reall submission experts as they are 2 of the few, if not only that could ACTUALLY make you submit. The above posts are the only ones I read, thank god I had my laptop handy... 15 replies and only two accurate responses. Thanks guys. I was actually being pretty generous... I said there's guys not listed and left it open to wrestlers of older generation like the Von Erichs. But Dean Malenko to my knowledge used just 1 submission in the WWE; Texas Cloverleaf. That being said sounds like Undertaker is a dark-horse. He had the dragon sleeper, triangle choke, and the gogoplata plus I could swear he's used the ankle lock or a leg grapevine. Chris Benevermind goes with the various and I'd say Saturn but I think we'd look at his WCW/ECW career not the WWE. So surprising the truest WWE submission specialist is the Undertaker. |
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