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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 25, 2010 14:01:02 GMT -5
Aside from rushing stats, Brady has better stats, I am not sure how that is debatable:
QB Rating: Vick 103.6 Brady 109.9 Comp % Vick 63.2 Brady 66.6 Yards Vick 2755 Brady 3561 TD Vick 20 Brady 31 INT Vick 5 Brady 4
Less INT, with 120 more passes. The reason why Bradys non INT streak is so impressive...he has thrown 120 more passes than Vick
Patriots 12-2 Eagles 10-4
Vick has an argument, but his stats aside from the rushing arent better than Brady's, not even close.
But Vick wow's people, so its cool.
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Post by MC2 on Dec 25, 2010 14:08:09 GMT -5
But Vick missed 3 games.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 25, 2010 14:11:07 GMT -5
He wouldnt have thrown 40 passes in each of those games, and odds are he wouldnt have thrown 11 TD's, 800 yards, and probably an INT or two
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 25, 2010 14:12:52 GMT -5
He wouldnt have thrown 40 passes in each of those games, and odds are he wouldnt have thrown 11 TD's, 800 yards, and probably an INT or two He would have gotten the 800 yards. I went over this last night. As an Eagles fan who pays attention to him closer than someone who is not an Eagles fan, I know that he would gotten the 800 yards. And anywhere from 7-10 more TDs. So he would most certainly be closer than he is now, and there would be even less of an argument for Brady as the sole MVP. I can tell you that with absolute certainty.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 25, 2010 14:18:06 GMT -5
He wouldnt have thrown 40 passes in each of those games, and odds are he wouldnt have thrown 11 TD's, 800 yards, and probably an INT or two He would have gotten the 800 yards. I went over this last night. As an Eagles fan who pays attention to him closer than someone who is not an Eagles fan, I know that he would gotten the 800 yards. And anywhere from 7-10 more TDs. So he would most certainly be closer than he is now, and there would be even less of an argument for Brady as the sole MVP. I can tell you that with absolute certainty. You should go to Vegas then, because Vick has bad games and YOU DONT KNOW, thats the point. You can not guarantee that he puts up 3 superstar games especially against Atlanta and Tennessee. No way dude, Brady did it, so his stats are not up for interpretation. Atlanta 8th rated defense and Ten 12th rated defense. But because he makes wow plays and hes "redeeming" himself you as an Eagles fan can guarantee that he would have shred up 2 of the better defenses in the league? Awful
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 25, 2010 14:28:00 GMT -5
He would have gotten the 800 yards. I went over this last night. As an Eagles fan who pays attention to him closer than someone who is not an Eagles fan, I know that he would gotten the 800 yards. And anywhere from 7-10 more TDs. So he would most certainly be closer than he is now, and there would be even less of an argument for Brady as the sole MVP. I can tell you that with absolute certainty. You should go to Vegas then, because Vick has bad games and YOU DONT KNOW, thats the point. You can not guarantee that he puts up 3 superstar games especially against Atlanta and Tennessee. No way dude, Brady did it, so his stats are not up for interpretation. Atlanta 8th rated defense and Ten 12th rated defense. But because he makes wow plays and hes "redeeming" himself you as an Eagles fan can guarantee that he would have shred up 2 of the better defenses in the league? Awful Kevin Kolb shredded the Falcon's defense. What would Michael Vick have done? Kolb went 23 for 29, 326 yards and 3 touchdowns.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 25, 2010 14:35:16 GMT -5
"What ifs" thats all you can say for those 3 games.
Kolb and Vick are totally different, and I am sure teams prepare differently too.
There are no "What If's" with Brady this year, thats the point
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Dec 25, 2010 19:14:11 GMT -5
R.I.P.
Philip Rivers's campaign for MVP.
Week 4 - Week 11
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 25, 2010 20:35:05 GMT -5
"What ifs" thats all you can say for those 3 games. Kolb and Vick are totally different, and I am sure teams prepare differently too. There are no "What If's" with Brady this year, thats the point I think Jimmy is just being sarcastic. I dont think he legit believes this.
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Post by captain master talbot on Dec 25, 2010 21:23:00 GMT -5
He's an Eagles fan, he's not.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 25, 2010 21:34:55 GMT -5
Okay. So if Mark Sanchez had the same numbers as Vick, or talbot if it were Eli...and BOTH players were able to make the same kind of game-breaking plays as Vick does week in and out, would you not feel that they deserve to hold, at very least, the co-MVP?
The answer is no. If your QB was making the SAME plays as Vick and had the similar numbers, you'd be saying the same thing. Every fan of every team would be saying the same thing. To me, it seems like you guys are hating on Vick because of his troubles. Okay, so he did something wrong. He owned up to it, paid his debt to society by serving the time he was sentenced, and now is trying to move on with his life. He is moving on from the past, why can't all of you do the same?
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 25, 2010 22:11:59 GMT -5
Im hating on Vick because Brady has better numbers, better winning % this year, less weapons.
I am all for Vick winning it, but hes not having a better year than Brady, anyone can see that.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 25, 2010 23:00:35 GMT -5
Aside from rushing stats, This is the problem with your argument, though.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 25, 2010 23:01:44 GMT -5
Aside from rushing stats, This is the problem with your argument, though. Not really, I agree Vick does a lot with his legs but this Philly fan quoted his passing stats, which are worse than Brady's in every area. Do the rushing stats outweigh being behind Brady in every stat and record? We shall see.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 25, 2010 23:05:50 GMT -5
No, they don't necessarily, but they are certainly extremely relevant... The dude has 8 RUSHING TD's.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 25, 2010 23:07:13 GMT -5
Im hating on Vick because Brady has better numbers, better winning % this year, less weapons. I am all for Vick winning it, but hes not having a better year than Brady, anyone can see that. He's also played in 3 extra games that Vick has NOT. Vick has 11 games. 10 1/2 because he game in at halftime in Week 1. Give him those 3 1/2 games, Brady does not have better stats. They'd be equal. Wanna compare winning percentages? Okay, let's be fair here. Week 1 loss - Vick came in, it was 13-3. Not the best situation to try and come back from. Made an effort but came up short. That doesn't count against him because he didn't play in 50% of the game. Week 4 loss - Vick was taken out in the first quarter. Missed the 3 following games. Can't count that loss against him because he played less than a quarter of that game. Week 7 loss - Vick didn't play at all. Can't count that against him. Week 12 loss - That game is the only one that can truly be counted against Mike because that's the only loss where he played the whole game and didn't replace someone at halftime, nor did he leave early in the first quarter with a rib injury. You can sit here and brag up Brady all you want. And I will say, for what seems like the thousandth time, that Tom Brady is good. I NEVER said he wasn't. I never said his numbers weren't good. What I am saying is that his numbers are NOT THAT MUCH BETTER. Not that much better to where he, and only he deserves to be considered for the MVP. They awarded a co-MVP in 2003. Manning: 379-576 with 4,267 yards. 67% completion. He threw 29 TD and 10 INT. McNair: 250-400 with 3,215 yards. 62.5% completion. He threw 24 TD and 7 INT. The Colts and Titans finished 12-4., so winning percentage was the same. See what I see? No you probably don't, and would say so for the sake of arguing this even more. Steve McNair's stats were not as good as Peyton Manning's. Manning had more yards, more TDs, a higher completion percentage. And his average yards per game was better as well. McNair only topped Manning in QB Rating - by a WHOPPING 1.4 - and only had 3 less INTs. What I'm saying here - the same exact damn thing I've been saying all along - is that there was enough seen in the play of Steve McNair to award him co-MVP honors alongside who was, statistically, the better player in Peyton Manning.
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Dec 25, 2010 23:08:48 GMT -5
how did the Cowboys miss the extra point on their last touchdown?
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 25, 2010 23:09:16 GMT -5
You can't give Mike Vick extra credit because he's played in less games, man.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 25, 2010 23:09:29 GMT -5
how did the Cowboys miss the extra point on their last touchdown? David Buehler isn't very good.
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Dec 25, 2010 23:11:06 GMT -5
was it a bad snap, did it get blocked or did he just completely miss it?
either way lol cowboys
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