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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 4, 2011 16:20:38 GMT -5
Um, if I'm Bud Adams, you go with Jeff Fisher, hands down. The dude is one of the best coaches in the league. Vince Young is an underachieving little snot bitch who isn't that good in the first place. The Titans went 6-10. They can draft a quarterback with the 8th overall pick. Seriously, if they let Fisher go, they are making a HUGE mistake. Agreed with almost everything you said. However, at 8 the Titans cannot get Andrew Luck. Outside of Luck, I dont really see another QB that you would spend that high of a pick on. Mallet and Locker are probably middle 1st round at best. Maybe the kid from Miss. St. But I think if the Titans are going to do that, they can move down in the draft and still get Mallet or Locker or gamble a it and hold out for Ponder in one of the later rounds. |
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Jan 4, 2011 16:21:19 GMT -5
I think Vince Young is a solid QB, especially because he possesses that dual-threat. I also think Fisher is a good coach with an impressive tenure. It's a shame they can't find a way to coexist because they are legitimate contenders every year.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 4, 2011 16:40:49 GMT -5
I think Vince Young is a solid QB, especially because he possesses that dual-threat. I also think Fisher is a good coach with an impressive tenure. It's a shame they can't find a way to coexist because they are legitimate contenders every year. Vince Young is a bad quarterback, man. Really bad. |
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Jan 4, 2011 16:49:18 GMT -5
I think Vince Young is a solid QB, especially because he possesses that dual-threat. I also think Fisher is a good coach with an impressive tenure. It's a shame they can't find a way to coexist because they are legitimate contenders every year. Vince Young is a bad quarterback, man. Really bad. Do you think Donovan McNabb is a good quarterback? |
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 4, 2011 17:04:24 GMT -5
Jimmy, John Fox was horrible. Him and Jeff Davidson are completely garbage. John Fox NEVER made adjustments and Davidson calls the same plays over and over. Clausen - I don't know. He seems afraid to throw anything other than dump-offs to the RB. If Luck comes out we take him, no questions asked. Trade Smith for some picks and let's get some good young talent, sign a couple FAs and see what we can't do. Davidson was awful but I can't see your point about Fox. The Panthers were good as long as Jake was healthy until the wheels came flying off in that playoff game against the Cardinals. Everything in 09 and 10 was fighting an uphill battle that no coach could have won. Fox was definitely in the upper tier of NFL coaches. My only problem was the lack of consistency from season to season. Conversely Clausen was garbage. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 4, 2011 17:12:33 GMT -5
Vince Young is a bad quarterback, man. Really bad. Do you think Donovan McNabb is a good quarterback? Right now? Hell no. |
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Post by WFK on Jan 4, 2011 17:14:25 GMT -5
Jimmy, John Fox was horrible. Him and Jeff Davidson are completely garbage. John Fox NEVER made adjustments and Davidson calls the same plays over and over. Clausen - I don't know. He seems afraid to throw anything other than dump-offs to the RB. If Luck comes out we take him, no questions asked. Trade Smith for some picks and let's get some good young talent, sign a couple FAs and see what we can't do. Davidson was awful but I can't see your point about Fox. The Panthers were good as long as Jake was healthy until the wheels came flying off in that playoff game against the Cardinals. Everything in 09 and 10 was fighting an uphill battle that no coach could have won. Fox was definitely in the upper tier of NFL coaches. My only problem was the lack of consistency from season to season. Conversely Clausen was garbage. I'm with you on Fox. You can only do so much with what you have. Which, with your second point, wasn't a whole lot. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 4, 2011 17:24:11 GMT -5
Which, with your second point, wasn't a whole lot. He has to take a lot of the blame for that, though. His inability to develop a true franchise quarterback for his entire tenure is worth noting. In addition, it's not just the quarterback situation - it's almost the entire roster right now. |
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 4, 2011 17:32:44 GMT -5
Which, with your second point, wasn't a whole lot. He has to take a lot of the blame for that, though. His inability to develop a true franchise quarterback for his entire tenure is worth noting. In addition, it's not just the quarterback situation - it's almost the entire roster right now. It is worth noting but it's not like it's the easiest thing in the world to develop/keep a true franchise QB either. Delhomme was Mr. Clutch for a number of years though. And yes the roster as a whole is a giant mess these days but that's more of a front office thing than a Fox thing. |
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Post by BV on Jan 4, 2011 17:34:40 GMT -5
Sedrick Ellis' gut on Andrew Luck's back, I like it.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 4, 2011 17:35:08 GMT -5
It is, absolutely, but Fox has to take a lot of the blame for not developing the talent he does have.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 4, 2011 17:36:58 GMT -5
Do you think Donovan McNabb is a good quarterback? Right now? Hell no. I think Donovan is at the tail end of his career. But judging him based on what he did in Washington isnt really fair. Take a look at his last year in Philly. Donovan was still considered a top 15 QB in the NFL. Vince Young? Meh.....he's ok. Outside of his Bowl victory over USC and the way he finished up his rookie season in the NFL, I've never been too impressed with him. His attitude issues and tantrums aside, his ability of the field makes me think Rodney Peete more than Randall Cunningham. If I was running an NFL franchise, I wouldnt want Young at my franchise QB. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 4, 2011 17:48:14 GMT -5
To clarify, I only classify about 12-16 QB's are being "good."
The other guys are all a few bad games away from being benched.
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Post by sean™ on Jan 4, 2011 17:51:35 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that Brodie Croyle is on the top of that list?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 4, 2011 17:52:05 GMT -5
To clarify, I only classify about 12-16 QB's are being "good." The other guys are all a few bad games away from being benched. How soon after the SB can we expect a Kliquid draft projection? Kliq, would you agree that the Jets need a safety, DE, RG/RT and linebacking help? |
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 4, 2011 17:56:35 GMT -5
I'm really not a draft expert. I can sometimes give insight on what teams believe they need, but I don't know enough about the players to give a "mock draft" that wouldn't embarrass myself.
I do think those positions are all ones of need for the Jets. They have done a good job of addressing the key positions in the last few drafts, though.
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Jan 4, 2011 18:02:03 GMT -5
I think Vince Young has progressed, though. After a 23/33 TD/INT ratio his first 33 games, he's improved to 20/10 in his last 21 (which I guess isn't that good either, seeing as though that's less than one TD a game). I know you can't really judge a QB simply by that ratio anyway, but I'm just going by what I've seen the last year and a half from him. I'd probably put him middle of the road or so.
I think Donovan McNabb can be good if put into the right system. I think he'd be really successful in Minnesota and MAYBE even Arizona.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 4, 2011 18:06:02 GMT -5
The problem is that Vince Young's talent doesn't negate his mental instability.
If a guy like Peyton Manning was calling out his coach, having freakouts during games, etc.; people might be able to give him the benefit of the doubt and say, "Maybe he's right."
But this is Vince Young. He's not good enough to be acting the way he does, which makes me think he's not going to be given another starting QB job.
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Post by sean™ on Jan 4, 2011 18:08:39 GMT -5
Well, it's finally time. After all the words, the rumors, the good and the bad, Brett Favre is done. And as much as the media has torn him up, as much as some fans claim he has "ruined" his legacy, and as much punishment that he's taken this year...it had to happen. It all had to happen, in order for him to be able to leave. The mind will always overpower the body, and in the last year of his amazing career, Brett Favre came crumbling down.
But why is this such a horrible thing as some reporters or fans make it out to be? For the last few years, the question of if he was going to come back or not has always been in the air. The magic was still there, the ability was still there, and the want for #4 as your quarterback was there. And finally, it's not. Brett knows he has nothing left to prove. There's no longer any teams that will be throwing down big bucks for Brett. And most importantly, while the magic may still be there, Brett knows his body has to be fuctioning to use it.
Case in point, the 2010 season of Brett Favre, while it may have been the worst of his career, ended up being just the season he needed. For the man I've admired since 1993, the man I've never counted out regardless of the score or the situation, there's no comeback this time. He is finished, and I couldn't be more proud.
As a fan of football, as a fan of Brett Favre, and as a fan of playing a sport just to enjoy playing the sport, thank you.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jan 4, 2011 18:14:12 GMT -5
It is, absolutely, but Fox has to take a lot of the blame for not developing the talent he does have. Yep, Fox stayed with veterans too long and had a reputation for not trying to develop rookies, I'm glad Fox is gone, and hopefully we can start rebuilding. We have talent on both sides of the ball just gotta develop the young guys and get some more pieces. Also some people in Carolina's front office has said Carolina will take Luck if he declares. Then again which team wouldn't take him #1 overall. |
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