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Post by sean™ on Dec 14, 2010 17:23:39 GMT -5
Would anyone else who's not a bias Patriots fan love to see Cassel vs Brady?
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Post by user9327 on Dec 14, 2010 17:24:57 GMT -5
How did Tom Brady cheat? Also, the Patriots cheated/punished and since have stopped. How do we justify that their stats/record is better AFTER they were caught? I mean, are people saying they are still cheating? Or are we ignoring that. That was the point of Peter King's column, that they cheated, got caught, and are now doing better. Regardless, Tom Brady is one of, if not the greatest QB of all time. Same goes for Belichick, put the asterisks on Belichicks Hall of Fame plaque because hes still going in and hes gonna tell anyone who said he doesnt deserve it to kiss his ass. No, all I am saying is that the Patriots are a great team and a great dynasty but that they were caught cheating during their superbowl win over the St. Louis Rams and I'm not going to forget it. I think it lowers their integrity going forward and it's not easily forgotten. I'm not accusing them of anything now, but if it came out that they were, I wouldn't be surprised. But again, I've said Brady is great as are the Pat's... but Brady benefitted from those stolen signs. If the Giants cheated to beat you in that SB... would you never express any disapproval or act like it wasn't right? Especially if your team had never cheated, or been caught? that's all I'm saying guys... it's not going away, it's always going to be there. |
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Post by T R W on Dec 14, 2010 17:24:58 GMT -5
I'd prefer Ryan and Brady in February.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 14, 2010 17:25:50 GMT -5
I'm a phd hopeful for Computer Science but it's irrelevant, I'm not putting my personal information on here... I just wanted to say that I think it's messed up that the Patriots cheated during their superbowl win over the Rams. Apparently this requires you to start some sort of anonymous smear campaign against me and call me a  ing idiot? Also, I'm not bothered that some people don't approve of me. You mean you got messages from people who posted neutrally in this thread!?!? OHHH NOOO!! Well they aren't saying anything to me... this is supposed to intimidate or rattle me? I'd really be an idiot to think that everyone is going to approve. As long as some, like above, are not seriously calling me a ing idiot... that still makes you look wrong in saying ALL of WF thinks so, doesn't it? So chew on that.... apparently not all of WF thinks I'm a moron like you're trying to build some sort of case behind. I can post a picture of my hair from when I tried to let it go a little long, if that will make you approve of me more!?!? LoLoLoLoLoLoL |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 14, 2010 17:26:36 GMT -5
Would anyone else who's not a bias Patriots fan love to see Cassel vs Brady? Not really, because I think Matt Cassel is among the worst starting QB's in the NFL, despite the fact that his stats have been pretty damn good this year. |
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Post by sean™ on Dec 14, 2010 17:28:21 GMT -5
Matt Cassel is the best starting QB of all time, YOU MORON. At least he's not a cheating cheater who cheats so much that.....that....that...he's a cheater face.
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Dec 14, 2010 17:29:00 GMT -5
SD = Super Bowl 45 champs. That is all. You have to make it to the playoffs first. I think we have a MUCH easier path to the playoffs than the Chiefs. It sucks for non-Charger fans because the Chiefs had a nice little run and a good story to follow, but it seems like they have to wait at least another year. If you win AT St Louis though, I'd actually be worried. |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 14, 2010 17:29:10 GMT -5
Matt Cassel is the best starting QB of all time, YOU MORON. At least he's not a cheating cheater who cheats so much that.....that....that...he's a cheater face. You're right.  |
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Post by user9327 on Dec 14, 2010 17:29:43 GMT -5
Would anyone else who's not a bias Patriots fan love to see Cassel vs Brady? Not really, because I think Matt Cassel is among the worst starting QB's in the NFL, despite the fact that his stats have been pretty damn good this year. But he won 11 games in the Patriots system that Brady won 10 in the following year... and got destroyed in the first round at home with. I'm not saying Cassel is good, just making a point. |
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Post by BV on Dec 14, 2010 17:31:17 GMT -5
I'd prefer Brees and Brady in February. |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 14, 2010 17:31:44 GMT -5
I don't put "wins" on a quarterback.
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Post by sean™ on Dec 14, 2010 17:31:53 GMT -5
You have to make it to the playoffs first. I think we have a MUCH easier path to the playoffs than the Chiefs. It sucks for non-Charger fans because the Chiefs had a nice little run and a good story to follow, but it seems like they have to wait at least another year. If you win AT St Louis though, I'd actually be worried. I do agree with the easier schedule. But at the same time, I can't say I'm too worried with the Rams. And the Raiders are coming to OUR house, and we've got a score to settle as usual. Honestly, I think we have a fairly good rest of the season since after the Rams, its all home games. Including the playoffs  |
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Post by njpunk on Dec 14, 2010 17:33:05 GMT -5
I'd prefer a good QB that the Panthers sign in the offseason and Brady in February 2012. |
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Post by user9327 on Dec 14, 2010 17:33:42 GMT -5
I don't put "wins" on a quarterback. Oh right, you just count locks of hair of QB's. So if you don't put wins on a QB... how do you measure their greatness? Remember, you don't put wins on a QB... so doesn't this make Peyton's prime better than Brady's? |
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Post by sean™ on Dec 14, 2010 17:33:53 GMT -5
I'd prefer a good QB that the Vikings sign in the offseason and Brady in February 2012. |
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Post by user9327 on Dec 14, 2010 17:37:12 GMT -5
I'd just prefer to actually be presented with information that backs up a claim that nearly every NFL team cheated on their way to their superbowl wins.
But again, we've been over this.. and it doesn't end pretty for me or the guy who runs the glorified fan site.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 14, 2010 17:37:29 GMT -5
Oh right, you just count locks of hair of QB's. So if you don't put wins on a QB... how do you measure their greatness? Remember, you don't put wins on a QB... so doesn't this make Peyton's prime better than Brady's? I analyze their entire game. Physical tools, intangibles, mechanics, pocket presence, accuracy, etc. Obviously things like their stats and wins take some importance, but I don't just say, "Oh this QB is better than this QB because his team won more games." Ex: Mark Sanchez is not a better QB than Peyton Manning just because his team has two more wins. |
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Post by BV on Dec 14, 2010 17:39:07 GMT -5
I don't put "wins" on a quarterback. Oh right, you just count locks of hair of QB's. So if you don't put wins on a QB... how do you measure their greatness? Remember, you don't put wins on a QB... so doesn't this make Peyton's prime better than Brady's? Doesn't Vince Young have like the best winning record in the league right now? Or he did before this season. Obviously that doesn't mean he is good, because he is trash. |
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Post by user9327 on Dec 14, 2010 17:40:00 GMT -5
Oh right, you just count locks of hair of QB's. So if you don't put wins on a QB... how do you measure their greatness? Remember, you don't put wins on a QB... so doesn't this make Peyton's prime better than Brady's? I analyze their entire game. Physical appearance, hair quality, package size, intangibles, mechanics, pocket presence, accuracy, etc. Obviously things like their stats and wins take some importance, but I don't just say, "Oh this QB is better than this QB because his team won more games." Ex: Mark Sanchez is not a better QB than Peyton Manning just because his team has two more wins. I'm not saying it does either... but I still don't think there's a definitive answer as to who has been the better QB so far... Peyton or Brady. Better career, Brady, certainly. But Peyton in the Patriots system would not be a drop off by any means. |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 14, 2010 17:41:28 GMT -5
There's definitely not a definitive answer. Both QB's are probably in the top-10 of all-time. Maybe top-5. You can't really go wrong either way.
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