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Post by raabhimselffanv2 on Sept 12, 2010 17:43:42 GMT -5
Joe/Kobashi doesn't suprise me at all. My favorite ROH match ever.
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Post by Kody on Sept 12, 2010 18:03:30 GMT -5
That's an amazing list of matches, but I certainty disagree with the order.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Sept 12, 2010 18:11:14 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with the order of WWE'ss matches, though Summerslam 2002 should have been higher.
BUT, I must say, I've never followed the Wresltling Observer, and now I never will. I seriously LOL'd at the fact that not one WWE match on their list got a 5-star rating, and yet, like every other little Japan match has 5-stars.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Sept 12, 2010 18:15:24 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with the order of WWE'ss matches, though Summerslam 2002 should have been higher. BUT, I must say, I've never followed the Wresltling Observer, and now I never will. I seriously LOL'd at the fact that not one WWE match on their list got a 5-star rating, and yet, like every other little Japan match has 5-stars. ...have you actually seen any of those Japanese matches? None of them were "little" matches. You should at least make an attempt to hide your bias. |
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Post by Boy Wonder on Sept 12, 2010 19:23:34 GMT -5
You're both right, Japan places a lot more emphasis on having great matches, so you get a lot more of them from there.
On the other hand, how many great matches has WWE had that get 4 3/4 stars? It's like, is that little 1/4 of a star really that big of a difference? If HBK/Undertaker (from WM) doesn't get 5 stars then I don't know what does. It's like they're determined to keep WWE from getting any more 5 star matches just for the hell of it
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Sept 12, 2010 19:35:01 GMT -5
Misawa/Kobashi at number one makes me happy. My all time favorite match. Pretty good list, some of it is out of order, but still a damn good list.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Sept 12, 2010 19:45:31 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with the order of WWE'ss matches, though Summerslam 2002 should have been higher. BUT, I must say, I've never followed the Wresltling Observer, and now I never will. I seriously LOL'd at the fact that not one WWE match on their list got a 5-star rating, and yet, like every other little Japan match has 5-stars. ...have you actually seen any of those Japanese matches? None of them were "little" matches. You should at least make an attempt to hide your bias. Are those Japan matches broadcast to a worldwide audience? If they were, maybe I would have seen them. |
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Post by Sound888 on Sept 12, 2010 19:48:29 GMT -5
...have you actually seen any of those Japanese matches? None of them were "little" matches. You should at least make an attempt to hide your bias. Are those Japan matches broadcast to a worldwide audience? If they were, maybe I would have seen them. No, but a fan of real wrestling would do some research first before praising everything that's shoved in your face on TV. |
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Sept 12, 2010 20:14:42 GMT -5
Are those Japan matches broadcast to a worldwide audience? If they were, maybe I would have seen them. No, but a fan of real wrestling would do some research first before praising everything that's shoved in your face on TV. Im a fan of the american wrestling that revolutionized the sport, and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. I admittedly get easily wowed by those things, but thats because i get very little exposure to it. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. |
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Post by Flava Dave on Sept 12, 2010 20:20:08 GMT -5
Im a fan of the american wrestling that revolutionized the sport, and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. I admittedly get easily wowed by those things, but thats because i get very little exposure to it. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. Wow, I didn't think I'd have a reason to post this again this week, but this post is so  ing terrible, it's deserving.  Have fun living in a bubble, kid. But then again, I think you're the kid who threw a fit when Bret's return wasn't on the Best of Raw 2009 DVD, so thinking clearly isn't your forte. |
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Sept 12, 2010 20:35:33 GMT -5
I think you're the kid who threw a fit when Bret's return wasn't on the Best of Raw 2009 DVD, so thinking clearly isn't your forte. its sad you actually remember that i confused the last Raw of 2009 with the first one of 2010. 7 days zomg! |
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Post by Sound888 on Sept 12, 2010 20:37:55 GMT -5
No, but a fan of real wrestling would do some research first before praising everything that's shoved in your face on TV. Im a fan of the american wrestling that revolutionized the sport, and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. I admittedly get easily wowed by those things, but thats because i get very little exposure to it. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. Generalizing the whole independent wrestling scene is just a stupid and ignorant thing to do. None of the matches on the list are "spot fest" matches; and even if they are, they still tell a story. If I didn't know any better, I would say that Triple H vs Shawn Michaels from Summerslam 2002 was a complete spot fest and overrated match. You are comparing every independent promotion to TNA, and that is the complete opposite. Promotions such as Ring of Honor and Pro Wrestling Guerrilla does not compete with WWE. Instead, they compete with themselves and provide to their own fans. Saying that all the matches are just flips and twists is also another stupid and ignorant statement. Wrestlers like Chris Hero, Davey Richards, and Roderick Strong all made their name without any of said-flying maneuvers. You are a fool to talk down about something that you have never watched. If you had watched any of the matches on this list, and still disagree, that would be a different argument, or most likely no argument at all. But if you have never seen these matches for yourself, you have no right to speak for them. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Sept 12, 2010 20:39:18 GMT -5
No, but a fan of real wrestling would do some research first before praising everything that's shoved in your face on TV. Im a fan of the american wrestling that revolutionized the sport, and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. I admittedly get easily wowed by those things, but thats because i get very little exposure to it. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. Both of you guys's statements are so stereotypical of a certain group of wrestling fan that it's not even funny. Being a Puro geek doesn't make you any more of a "real fan" than anyone else, and it doesn't mean that the other fans are making themselves succeptable to what's being "shoved in their faces." That's such a dumb statement to make and I get sick of reading crap like that. On the other hand, that perception of really good indy wrestling couldn't be any more off center. Find yourself a good fivestar American match, and you'll probably find excellent chainwrestling, well placed highspots, and actual surprising false finishes. This isn't 2002. Every indy match isn't a five team scramble match with lucha rules. Don't classify all indy wrestling like that. It isn't fair. You're certainly allowed to dislike it. But if it's for the reasons you stated, then you're fooling yourself. |
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Post by Flava Dave on Sept 12, 2010 20:44:02 GMT -5
I think you're the kid who threw a fit when Bret's return wasn't on the Best of Raw 2009 DVD, so thinking clearly isn't your forte. its sad you actually remember that i confused the last Raw of 2009 with the first one of 2010. 7 days zomg! Doesn't make it any less of a stupid statement. Wrestlers like Chris Hero, Davey Richards, and Roderick Strong all made their name without any of said-flying maneuvers. Didn't you get the memo? Cross Armbreakers and Texas Cloverleafs are highspots now. |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Sept 12, 2010 21:26:36 GMT -5
No, but a fan of real wrestling would do some research first before praising everything that's shoved in your face on TV. Im a fan of the american wrestling that revolutionized the sport, and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. I admittedly get easily wowed by those things, but thats because i get very little exposure to it. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. Are you ing kidding me? I can't even begin to pick apart your post. Almost every single sentence couldn't be more wrong. |
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Post by SMK on Sept 12, 2010 21:55:08 GMT -5
Pleased Orton vs Cactus Jack made it so high. One of my favourite matches ofall time. Ya, same here. Really showed Orton was a great worker. Pretty good list. I was surprised to see Cena vs. Umaga. I haven't seen that one yet, I should check it out. |
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Sept 12, 2010 23:07:43 GMT -5
No, but a fan of real wrestling would do some research first before praising everything that's shoved in your face on TV. , and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. I admittedly get easily wowed by those things, but thats because i get very little exposure to it. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. If anything, Japanese, Mexican and British styles of wrestling revolutioned wrestling.... |
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Sept 12, 2010 23:16:07 GMT -5
No, but a fan of real wrestling would do some research first before praising everything that's shoved in your face on TV. Im a fan of the american wrestling that revolutionized the sport, and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. I admittedly get easily wowed by those things, but thats because i get very little exposure to it. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. You really couldnt be more off base. *EDIT* img codes not working, there was supposed to be a U MAD pic there. |
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Sept 12, 2010 23:19:04 GMT -5
I would've thought Kurt Angle vs AJ Styles would've made it tbh. From Impact? That wasn't a good match. Just a bunch of false finishes and the Impact zone overreacting like they usually do. No disrespect, just how I feel. Then again, that's what a lot of the Austin's and Rock's matches were like. I personally like those types of matches. Also it happened in 2010 so my bad. |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Sept 12, 2010 23:32:57 GMT -5
Here goes... Im a fan of the american wrestling that revolutionized the sport, and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. I admittedly get easily wowed by those things, but thats because i get very little exposure to it. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. Im a fan of the american wrestling that revolutionized the sport, and company that is comfortable with the basic wrestling physics that have been around since the 70's. Are we watching the same thing? The new generation is heavily influenced on Japan, Mexico, and England. If anything, New Japan has been the company who has kept their style the same since the 70s. WWE is completely different now than it was in the 70s. Not all the other guys who are too involved with 1up-ing everyone else (Not a TNA jab.), trying to top anything thats ever been done before by themselves or competition. It's called getting with the times. You really can't stick with the same style that you had in the 70s and 80s. Things need to evolve. My general perceiving of Japan, ROH, and all the other indies that are "world renowned" are: Your most famous matches are either spot-fests, hour long battles, or hour long battles of spot fests. If "spotfests" mean well thought psychology and telling a story, you are right. The same goes for Mexico. There's psychology in Mexico as well. It might not be the same style as say Japan, the US, or England. But it's still psychology. Hour long battles? You basically described almost every US classic in the 80s. Most classics are at least 30 minutes. I'm not faulting long matches. I'm just saying you're pretty much contradicting your point. How can you have an hour long spotfest? It doesn't seem possible unless it's a multi-man match. Not to mention everyone out there who's main priority is to make sure they have the coolest new moves with all the flips and glamour and what-not. Do the names Bryan Danielson and Chris Hero ring a bell? Hero has been without a doubt one of the best wrestlers on the mat this year. If I was a huge indie mark I would be bored and tired of seeing everyone trying to make a name by doing "420 degree inverted corkscrew dragon moonsaults" onto four guys and hit the guardrail in the process. What have you been watching, undercards? You can't base the entire card off the undercard. Each card needs to have a spotfest. It's just a good variety. |
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