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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 25, 2010 18:16:55 GMT -5
This is quite possibly the dumbest argument ever. You're saying she's intellectually- disabled because she didn't think she would get caught? By that argument every single person who commits a crime and thinks they'll get away with it qualifies as mentally intellectually- disabled. Big, huge, gigantic difference between trying to hire a hitman and actually hiring one and them doing the job. Huge difference. This man plea bargained to avoid the death penalty. Did you read the article? The article clearly says that they could've given him the death penalty for what he did, but he plea bargained instead. Umm, the guy got 8 years in jail according to the article. You linked a bunch of articles about people who merely tried to hire hitmen, not that actually did and one article referring to a guy who could've got the death penalty, but plea bargained. No, I am not saying that is what makes her mentally handicapped. The guy got 8 years for a probation violation for another crime. So why didn't she get to plea bargain to avoid the death penalty? Or did she and we just aren't hearing about it? Could be a billion reasons why she didn't. Maybe the prosecutor was sure they could get her and didn't want to bother with it. Maybe it was an election year and the DA wanted to win a big case. Maybe she thought she would get off so she didn't bother. I have no idea why. |
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Post by instantclassic on Sept 25, 2010 18:17:52 GMT -5
No, if you knowing and willingly take a persons life, you should have your life taken from you. What lesson does it teach people that if you kill some one in cold blood you get to live? What does it say about the death penalty that the states that have it, have a higher murder rate than states that do not have it? That every state should have it and anybody that commits murder should be put the death the same say their sentence is handed out |
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 18:19:04 GMT -5
No, I am not saying that is what makes her mentally handicapped. The guy got 8 years for a probation violation for another crime. So why didn't she get to plea bargain to avoid the death penalty? Or did she and we just aren't hearing about it? Could be a billion reasons why she didn't. Maybe the prosecutor was sure they could get her and didn't want to bother with it. Maybe it was an election year and the DA wanted to win a big case. Maybe she thought she would get off so she didn't bother. I have no idea why. I'm sure one could argue different forms of discrimination. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 18:20:30 GMT -5
What does it say about the death penalty that the states that have it, have a higher murder rate than states that do not have it? That every state should have it and anybody that commits murder should be put the death the same say their sentence is handed out How does it tell you that? Death penalty states - Higher murder rate. Non-death penalty states - Lower murder rate. So you wouldn't mind a higher murder rate just as long as murderers got killed. We shouldn't have the death penalty, because not having it could lower the murder rate. It is not a deterrent. It is not cost effective. The only reason to have it is revenge. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 25, 2010 18:23:01 GMT -5
Could be a billion reasons why she didn't. Maybe the prosecutor was sure they could get her and didn't want to bother with it. Maybe it was an election year and the DA wanted to win a big case. Maybe she thought she would get off so she didn't bother. I have no idea why. I'm sure one could argue different forms of discrimination. I'm pretty sure you couldn't. |
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Post by Kliquid on Sept 25, 2010 18:25:55 GMT -5
What does it say about the death penalty that the states that have it, have a higher murder rate than states that do not have it? We have higher crime across the board. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 18:26:54 GMT -5
What does it say about the death penalty that the states that have it, have a higher murder rate than states that do not have it? We have higher crime across the board. But higher in death penalty states or is that just one giant coincidence? |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 25, 2010 18:27:47 GMT -5
Could it be that the higher crime rate came first and the death penalty was put in to try to deal with it?
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 18:29:27 GMT -5
I'm sure one could argue different forms of discrimination. I'm pretty sure you couldn't. I'm sure one could, not saying they'd be correct, but one certainly could try. |
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Post by instantclassic on Sept 25, 2010 18:31:30 GMT -5
We have higher crime across the board. But higher in death penalty states or is that just one giant coincidence? It is put into place to deal with Murders who are making the murder rate in their states higher. They just have a bunch of red tape now because of leftwing ass backwards activists to are fighting for the wrong cause. Anybody that opposes a gulity murder being put to death needs to spend a day with someone who lost a loved one due to murder. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 18:32:37 GMT -5
Could it be that the higher crime rate came first and the death penalty was put in to try to deal with it? The death penalty was started up again in 1976, I'm not sure a higher crime rate in 2008 or 2009 had any impact on that. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 18:39:29 GMT -5
But higher in death penalty states or is that just one giant coincidence? It is put into place to deal with Murders who are making the murder rate in their states higher. They just have a bunch of red tape now because of leftwing ass backwards activists to are fighting for the wrong cause. Anybody that opposes a gulity murder being put to death needs to spend a day with someone who lost a loved one due to murder. What about all those "activists" who have lost a loved one and still oppose the death penalty? What about all those innocent people on death row that have been cleared of the charges after they've been killed? We kill innocent people. What do we do? Just say "oops" and hope it doesn't happen again? |
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Post by instantclassic on Sept 25, 2010 18:42:16 GMT -5
It is put into place to deal with Murders who are making the murder rate in their states higher. They just have a bunch of red tape now because of leftwing ass backwards activists to are fighting for the wrong cause. Anybody that opposes a gulity murder being put to death needs to spend a day with someone who lost a loved one due to murder. What about all those "activists" who have lost a loved one and still oppose the death penalty? What about all those innocent people on death row that have been cleared of the charges after they've been killed? We kill innocent people. What do we do? Just say "oops" and hope it doesn't happen again? Those people are intellectually- disabled who have lost a love one and oppose the DP. As for the innocent people. The system does have its flaws, I will admit that. I do not know how to fix it. Getting rid of the death plenalty is not going to fix that. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 25, 2010 18:44:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you couldn't. I'm sure one could, not saying they'd be correct, but one certainly could try. And I could argue that little red demons came up through the ventilation system and poked the prosecutors with pitch forks and that's why it didn't happen. I'd be wrong, but I could try that. What's your point? |
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 18:50:25 GMT -5
What about all those "activists" who have lost a loved one and still oppose the death penalty? What about all those innocent people on death row that have been cleared of the charges after they've been killed? We kill innocent people. What do we do? Just say "oops" and hope it doesn't happen again? Those people are intellectually- disabled who have lost a love one and oppose the DP. As for the innocent people. The system does have its flaws, I will admit that. I do not know how to fix it. Getting rid of the death plenalty is not going to fix that. lol. The only reason we have the death penalty is for revenge and to try and make the family feel better via revenge. Guess what. It doesn't bring their loved one back and I'm sure it still hurts just as much that their loved one is gone. Yes, getting rid of the death penalty would get rid of us killing innocent people. |
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Post by instantclassic on Sept 25, 2010 18:55:46 GMT -5
Those people are intellectually- disabled who have lost a love one and oppose the DP. As for the innocent people. The system does have its flaws, I will admit that. I do not know how to fix it. Getting rid of the death plenalty is not going to fix that. lol. The only reason we have the death penalty is for revenge and to try and make the family feel better via revenge. Guess what. It doesn't bring their loved one back and I'm sure it still hurts just as much that their loved one is gone. Yes, getting rid of the death penalty would get rid of us killing innocent people. The first part of that statment is opinion only You do not know if it hurts as much. And yes getting rid of the death penalty would get rid of us killing innocent people.. but what stops those animals from murdering innocent people? Nothing. As for the innocent people. Sorry, they stay on for years and years. If you cant prove that you are innocent in a decade than something is wrong with your defense. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 19:00:09 GMT -5
lol. The only reason we have the death penalty is for revenge and to try and make the family feel better via revenge. Guess what. It doesn't bring their loved one back and I'm sure it still hurts just as much that their loved one is gone. Yes, getting rid of the death penalty would get rid of us killing innocent people. The first part of that statment is opinion only You do not know if it hurts as much. And yes getting rid of the death penalty would get rid of us killing innocent people.. but what stops those animals from murdering innocent people? Nothing. As for the innocent people. Sorry, they stay on for years and years. If you cant prove that you are innocent in a decade than something is wrong with your defense. If killing another individual makes your pain less then I find that sickening. The death penalty OBVIOUSLY does not stop them from killing innocent people. They are going to kill no matter the punishment the state offers. Or judge's won't take a look at your new evidence that proves your client is innocent. It has happened before and it is happening now and it will happen in the future unless we get rid of the death penalty. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 25, 2010 19:17:53 GMT -5
The first part of that statment is opinion only You do not know if it hurts as much. And yes getting rid of the death penalty would get rid of us killing innocent people.. but what stops those animals from murdering innocent people? Nothing. As for the innocent people. Sorry, they stay on for years and years. If you cant prove that you are innocent in a decade than something is wrong with your defense. If killing another individual makes your pain less then I find that sickening. The death penalty OBVIOUSLY does not stop them from killing innocent people. They are going to kill no matter the punishment the state offers. Or judge's won't take a look at your new evidence that proves your client is innocent. It has happened before and it is happening now and it will happen in the future unless we get rid of the death penalty. A mosquito bites me and I kill it. Does that make me a bad person? |
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Post by slappy on Sept 25, 2010 19:20:47 GMT -5
If killing another individual makes your pain less then I find that sickening. The death penalty OBVIOUSLY does not stop them from killing innocent people. They are going to kill no matter the punishment the state offers. Or judge's won't take a look at your new evidence that proves your client is innocent. It has happened before and it is happening now and it will happen in the future unless we get rid of the death penalty. A mosquito bites me and I kill it. Does that make me a bad person? I said individual meaning a human. If you were talking to PETA, it'd make you one. But I'm not PETA. |
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Post by Kliquid on Sept 25, 2010 19:46:08 GMT -5
But higher in death penalty states or is that just one giant coincidence? Are you implying that people are more likely to commit a murder because they want to get put to death, as opposed to put in jail for life? I don't understand your angle here. What about all those "activists" who have lost a loved one and still oppose the death penalty? What about all those innocent people on death row that have been cleared of the charges after they've been killed? We kill innocent people. What do we do? Just say "oops" and hope it doesn't happen again? Putting an innocent person in jail for the rest of their life where they may be fearing for their life every day, beaten, (raped?), and contained like an animal isn't much better. You're arguing for a better judicial system, which you know I agree with... But the punishments (death penalty or life in prison) do fit the crimes for those who are guilty. |
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