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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 20, 2010 16:52:35 GMT -5
Bruce Buffer announces several fights as a "Knock Out" but the guy wasn't unconscious. I consider a KO something like what happened to Dan Hardy or Chuck Liddell (hehe). Or another great example of a KO would be when Gonzaga KO'd the guy in your avatar. ;D
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Post by ville on Oct 20, 2010 17:20:05 GMT -5
Doesn't matter, whoever wins this fight is just holding the belt for my boy JDS.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 20, 2010 17:35:44 GMT -5
Doesn't matter, whoever wins this fight is just holding the belt for my boy JDS. That one, I just may have to agree with you on. JDS has been on one of the most impressive tears I've ever seen. He's beaten everyone they put in his path. I fear much more for Lesnar in that fight than his fight with Cain, if indeed Brock is the one who wins this Saturday night. Either fight I would absolutely LOVE to see. Wether it's Brock/JDS or Cain/JDS, they'll both be wars and incredible wars at that.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 20, 2010 17:41:19 GMT -5
Cain has beaten everyone too. Hmmm.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 20, 2010 18:00:10 GMT -5
Although Brock hasn't had any "clean" knockouts as such, he has shown tremendous one-punch power... he knocked Heath Herring half way across the Octagon(!) with one punch and also caught Couture with one punch (then followed it up with hammer-fists) that proved to be the decisive factor in the fight. A guy Lesnar's size and strength - if he hits you, you're gonna know about it!
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 20, 2010 18:10:55 GMT -5
He caught Couture on the temple, which will drop any man. I will admit though, the Herring punch was just funny as hell. Looked like something out of a cartoon. He even missed the spear after.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 20, 2010 18:16:00 GMT -5
I will admit though, the Herring punch was just funny as hell. Looked like something out of a cartoon. Man, you got that right. Looked like a friggin' tumbleweed blowing across The Octagon. ;D
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Post by Bartman on Oct 20, 2010 20:23:56 GMT -5
Watching the Press Conference right now. Pretty badass that Lesnar is keeping the beard on Saturday night. Still very undecided who's gonna take it.
But then again, we all know Lesnar's track record with defending titles against Mexicans. Hahah.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 20, 2010 21:10:29 GMT -5
The thing I'm waiting for is when both Brock and Cain are in The Octagon on Saturday night and they have the pre-fight staredown right in the middle of the cage. I cannot wait to see the size difference. I think it'll be something similar to Brock/Couture, which was HUGE.
Seriously, come fight-night, how much weight will Cain be giving up to Brock?? I'm guessing the max Cain will weigh in at will be 230 and that's pushing it. Where-as, come fight night, I think Brock will put on more weight and weigh in the neighborhood of 275.
I just feel the overall size, weight and strength of Brock will be too much for Cain. Brock is just too big and too strong.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 20, 2010 21:12:43 GMT -5
Cain was around 245 when he fought Nog. How is 230 pushing it? Couture was 220 and doing decent against Brock.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 21, 2010 0:15:04 GMT -5
Ok James...usually I agree with you... but you are just saying so much sh** against Brock that it is UNBELIEVABLE.
I know it is hard to believe that such a freak of an athlete exists that after 6 or 7 professional fights not only is the champion but has also beaten the "elite" of the UFC....but he exists...
You are treating Brock as if he is a can...he came back from a LIFE THREATENING INJURY/SURGERY and he beat Shane Carwin. Who before the steroids allegations and the loss to Brock everyone was treating like the "next big thing"...
people ask "well who has Brock beat?"...
well lets see...
Heath Herring (at the time a top 15 HW)
Randy Couture (a small HW, granted....but still motherf***ing Captain America)
Frank Mir (overrated IMO..but beat two of the same two guys Cain beat more impressively might I add)
Shane Carwin (a guy who has shown TREMENDOUS POWER. He threw a short punch on Gonzaga and DROPPED HIM. Gonzaga has a great chin. To everyone who is making it sound like Brock got caught with one f***ing punch during that whole exchange please stfu. I would love to see any of you try and cover up exactly like Brock did and tell me he only took one punch.)
now lets see who Cain has beaten since he is the UNCROWNED CHAMPION...
Brad Morris (ummmm.....who?)
Jake O'Brien (really good fighter..good win for Cain)
Denis Stojnic (see Brad Morris)
Cup-Cheick Kongo (The internets most hated man right now...he is being voted the dirtiest fighter ever...people are even asking for him to fight the pioneer of the dirty tactics...Gilbert Yvel. In this fight I know I am the only one but Cain got exposed a little bit...he got rocked hard by Kongo...he got saved by the fact that Kongo HAS ABSOLUTELY NO GROUND GAME...when people compare it to Carwin rocking Brock it makes me laugh...Brock couldn't fall back on wrestling like Cain did against Kongo...because of how good of a wrestler Carwin is...)
Ben Rothwell (the WORLD was soooo impressed with this win as if Ben has actually beaten a name....he has been in there with names but he hasn't beaten one besides a coked up Ricco Rodriguez and Roy Nelson...who is another guy who has been in there with names but hasn't actually beaten one...)
Big Nog ( I love Big Nog....I think he is a legend...but to anyone who says he looks ANYTHING like he has looked in Pride...you are lying to yourself.... Against Herring he got his ass kicked bad....Tim Sylvia he got his ass kicked but sloppy oaf Sylvia got caught...against Mir, Nog got his ass kicked...Randy Couture was without a doubt the best we have seen of Nog)
I am saying Brock is going to win...
I like Cain.. but I think Brock wins this. If I am wrong I will definitely say I am wrong and hope Cain has a long reign as champion...but I just hope if Brock wins all of you don't try and come up with the million reasons why he won like it usually happens on the internet...
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Post by K5 on Oct 21, 2010 0:21:34 GMT -5
i'm excited for this tomorrow, gonna go over to the buddies and place a few bets.
gonna go with lesnar on this
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 21, 2010 1:00:40 GMT -5
Ok James...usually I agree with you... but you are just saying so much sh** against Brock that it is UNBELIEVABLE. I know it is hard to believe that such a freak of an athlete exists that after 6 or 7 professional fights not only is the champion but has also beaten the "elite" of the UFC....but he exists... You are treating Brock as if he is a can...he came back from a LIFE THREATENING INJURY/SURGERY and he beat Shane Carwin. Who before the steroids allegations and the loss to Brock everyone was treating like the "next big thing"... people ask "well who has Brock beat?"... well lets see... Heath Herring (at the time a top 15 HW) Randy Couture (a small HW, granted....but still motherf***ing Captain America) Frank Mir (overrated IMO..but beat two of the same two guys Cain beat more impressively might I add) Shane Carwin (a guy who has shown TREMENDOUS POWER. He threw a short punch on Gonzaga and DROPPED HIM. Gonzaga has a great chin. To everyone who is making it sound like Brock got caught with one f***ing punch during that whole exchange please stfu. I would love to see any of you try and cover up exactly like Brock did and tell me he only took one punch.) now lets see who Cain has beaten since he is the UNCROWNED CHAMPION... Brad Morris (ummmm.....who?) Jake O'Brien (really good fighter..good win for Cain) Denis Stojnic (see Brad Morris) Cup-Cheick Kongo (The internets most hated man right now...he is being voted the dirtiest fighter ever...people are even asking for him to fight the pioneer of the dirty tactics...Gilbert Yvel. In this fight I know I am the only one but Cain got exposed a little bit...he got rocked hard by Kongo...he got saved by the fact that Kongo HAS ABSOLUTELY NO GROUND GAME...when people compare it to Carwin rocking Brock it makes me laugh...Brock couldn't fall back on wrestling like Cain did against Kongo...because of how good of a wrestler Carwin is...) Ben Rothwell (the WORLD was soooo impressed with this win as if Ben has actually beaten a name....he has been in there with names but he hasn't beaten one besides a coked up Ricco Rodriguez and Roy Nelson...who is another guy who has been in there with names but hasn't actually beaten one...) Big Nog ( I love Big Nog....I think he is a legend...but to anyone who says he looks ANYTHING like he has looked in Pride...you are lying to yourself.... Against Herring he got his ass kicked bad....Tim Sylvia he got his ass kicked but sloppy oaf Sylvia got caught...against Mir, Nog got his ass kicked...Randy Couture was without a doubt the best we have seen of Nog) I am saying Brock is going to win... I like Cain.. but I think Brock wins this. If I am wrong I will definitely say I am wrong and hope Cain has a long reign as champion...but I just hope if Brock wins all of you don't try and come up with the million reasons why he won like it usually happens on the internet... I actually like Brock, but like I said, he is relatively unproven and still has a lot of holes in his game. I think its amazing what he has done in his first 6 fights in the UFC, but he still has a long road to prove himself. What I DON'T like is when people overrate him when there is no real basis to do so. Let him fight the rest of the division, and let me see what else he can do/can't do/can take/can't take. Then I will think he is proven. There's a difference between saying sh*t about him, and just stating how I feel about his fights thus far. As far as I'm concerned, he far, FAR from a can. it's just like I said, he's unproven at this time. Let him fight the other top guys and I will obviously change my stance. It isn't really fair to compare the guys who they have fought, either. It's the natural progression they both have taken that I look at. Randy is a natural LHW, Herring was a nobody coming into the UFC, Mir is the most overrated fighter in history, and Carwin proved he doesn't belong in the upper echelon of heavyweights with the terrible cardio he displayed. The absolute WORST thing to do when you're fighting is to run out of gas. It's YOUR JOB to fight 3 or 5 full rounds if you have to, and Carwin didn't understand the whole concept of pacing. I also did NOT like how Lesnar reacted to the half-assed arm punch Carwin gave him. Granted, the punches following that were obviously hurting, but you don't just turn around and turtle up. You just don't. Once again, I give Lesnar full credit for taking the beating and coming back to win, but he won against someone who was already dead and gone. Brock has pretty much been one-dimensional (so far), but Cain has evolved so much since his first fight in the UFC. Just watching how Cain fights at 100mph is amazing to me. Speed kills, and I think that's what gives him the edge.
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Post by shenmue on Oct 21, 2010 7:02:41 GMT -5
I think that Mr. Old School™ thinks that Lesnar will win by GNP if he gets Cain down which isn't exactly out of the question.
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Post by Jimmy on Oct 21, 2010 13:23:30 GMT -5
The power of Lesnar's beard will guide him to victory.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 21, 2010 13:26:28 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the only thing making me nervous. That beard is no joke.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 21, 2010 13:28:34 GMT -5
Hah, it was announced that Sanchez will be dropping BACK down to lightweight after this fight. God damn, this guy can't decide on anything.
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Post by sean™ on Oct 21, 2010 13:58:02 GMT -5
"Well Brock, there's really no way we can completely stop him from punching you in the face."
"That's fine.....I've got a plan anyways."
"What's that?"
"I'm going to grow a beard so epic, that it will absorb any blow"
Lesnar w/ beard for the win.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 21, 2010 14:05:26 GMT -5
He claims it's for the "cold, hunting weather"
What a liar.
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Post by sean™ on Oct 21, 2010 14:08:04 GMT -5
Similar to Chuck Norris, Brock actually has another first under the beard that will knock Cain out if they clinch against the cage.
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