shenmue
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Post by shenmue on Oct 24, 2010 17:01:02 GMT -5
"I don’t think he’s going to have a future in MMA ... He’s a baby. Don’t kick him [because] he doesn’t want to get hurt. He’s a helluva wrestler and he’s strong. But he can’t punch and doesn’t know how to kick. He can only go straight forward. He can’t survive as just a takedown guy." Tim Sylvia could see into the future!, but he was wrong about having no future in MMA, because Tim said this in 2007 so lesnar proved him wrong for 3 years. Still well done to Tim Sylvia he was right about everything else.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 24, 2010 18:05:42 GMT -5
Just like when Brock first lost to Frank Mir, he will learn from this loss and come back better. Or at least I hope he will anyway. He just rushed it way too much last night and got sloppy and careless and it cost him.
He should've sat back and waited and let Cain come to him, instead of rushing in with a careless flying-knee and rushing everything else he did. He should've been much more patient and cautious.
Oh well. Nothing you can do about it now. The better man won last night. I think if they were to fight again and Brock took his time and took a more cautious approach, it could be a different outcome.
I just hope Brock gets another chance, that's all. But for now, he's got to go back and rest up and heal his wounds. He'll be back. There is NO way we've seen the last of Brock Lesnar in the UFC. He's here to stay.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Oct 24, 2010 18:05:56 GMT -5
"I don’t think he’s going to have a future in MMA ... He’s a baby. Don’t kick him [because] he doesn’t want to get hurt. He’s a helluva wrestler and he’s strong. But he can’t punch and doesn’t know how to kick. He can only go straight forward. He can’t survive as just a takedown guy." Tim Sylvia could see into the future!, but he was wrong about having no future in MMA, because Tim said this in 2007 so lesnar proved him wrong for 3 years. Still well done to Tim Sylvia he was right about everything else. Tim Sylvia critiquing a guy for not being well rounded?
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Sandy
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Post by Sandy on Oct 24, 2010 18:21:48 GMT -5
Jeez I was wrong on the majority of the fights...
I was very excited when I saw how Tito came out in the first round...he was a lot more versatile with his striking than we have seen in his last couple of fights. But half way through the fight he seemed to have lost his confidence...I still want to see Tito fight one more time...maybe Bonnar? Vera? After that if he is still unable to win then he needs to either retire or go to Strikeforce where he has more of a chance of being a name...I think he looked better than he has in awhile so why not give him one more fight. He isn't getting f***ing manhandled in his fights and he isn't getting KO'd. He is pretty much "hanging in" with whoever he fights.
Cain looked like a beast last night. Congratulations to him. I take back everything I said. The guy looks scary. He isn't even a big heavyweight and he was bullying Brock, that seriously sent a huge message to everyone in the UFC's HW division. But am I the only one not all that excited about a JDS vs. Cain match? I don't think anyone really stands a chance against Cain besides maybe Carwin but even that is a stretch.
As for Brock I think it is so unfair that all of these forums are treating him as if his title run was a fluke. I hope to see Brock come back and dominate his way to another title shot. I don't want to see Brock vs. Mir III at ALL though, so I hope that isn't what the UFC has in mind.
Shields didn't dominate Kampmann at all. I don't think he will have an answer for GSP.
Diego Sanchez looked so good last night. That was the old Diego. I had forgotten how exciting the guy is to watch when he is focused and confident.
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Post by Bartman on Oct 24, 2010 18:53:10 GMT -5
But am I the only one not all that excited about a JDS vs. Cain match? I don't think anyone really stands a chance against Cain besides maybe Carwin but even that is a stretch. I personally think JDS stands a great chance. He's a great boxer and has great takedown defense. And we really haven't seen him too much on his back, so we can't really critique him there. Interesting to note how Cain talked about going into 'brawl mode' with Lesnar last night early on, which wasn't part of his game plan. I'm sure he'll learn from his mistake because I don't think going into 'brawl mode' with JDS will be in Cain's best interest. Another thing I find exciting is the whole background story, with Cain finishing Big Nog, and JDS has stated on occasion that Big Nog is his hero. Plus ya know, they train together. I dunno maybe it's just me, but I'm really, really looking forward to that fight.
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Post by The Canadian Killer Deen on Oct 24, 2010 18:55:18 GMT -5
a little interesting altercation here
anyone know what the story is??
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 24, 2010 19:18:08 GMT -5
a little interesting altercation here anyone know what the story is?? I think it has something to do with their WWE days together and apparently Brock had broke 'Taker's hand or something to that effect and 'Taker is still holding a grudge. I'm not really sure actually. I've also heard that 'Taker wants a match with Brock at WrestleMania 27, but that'll be impossible seeing as Brock is clearly under UFC contract. I never want to see Brock go back to WWE. He should stay in UFC/MMA for as long as possible. If 'Taker wanted a piece of Brock, I'm sure Brock would kick the crap out of him. Brock would whoop 'Taker, so he'd better be careful what he asks for because Brock just might oblidge him.
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Post by Bartman on Oct 24, 2010 19:37:20 GMT -5
a little interesting altercation here anyone know what the story is?? I think it has something to do with their WWE days together and apparently Brock had broke 'Taker's hand or something to that effect and 'Taker is still holding a grudge. I'm not really sure actually. LOL. You should watch this. Anyway Deen, I posted that a couple pages back and there's a big discussion in the WWE board. Right now, it's all speculation and no one really knows. I've watched it probably like 50 times. Certainly some heat between the two.
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Post by Sam Hain on Oct 24, 2010 20:12:04 GMT -5
Wow, I should have bought this ppv! I saw the Lesnar fight and was really impressed. The fight was the best one I've seen Lesnar in and really think they stopped it too soon. Yeah, I know he had covered up but I don't think he was in that much danger and may have gotten out of it.
Bottom line, when the title is on the line, you really need to hold off on stopages. Look at Ali vs. Foreman as example. Had it been stopped when Ali was letting Foreman pound on him and even his corner thought he was losing, Ali would never have beaten Foreman.
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Sandy
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Post by Sandy on Oct 24, 2010 20:20:36 GMT -5
ehhh using Ali is probably the worst example you could have possibly used...considering the early stoppages happen so that fighters DON'T end up like Ali.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 24, 2010 21:04:53 GMT -5
I think it has something to do with their WWE days together and apparently Brock had broke 'Taker's hand or something to that effect and 'Taker is still holding a grudge. I'm not really sure actually. LOL. You should watch this. Anyway Deen, I posted that a couple pages back and there's a big discussion in the WWE board. Right now, it's all speculation and no one really knows. I've watched it probably like 50 times. Certainly some heat between the two. Yeah, I remember that incident in the WWE, but the only reason I said that stuff about the broken hand is because James mentioned something about it a page or two back. I knew it wasn't real, I was just bringing it up, that's all. But yeah, long story short, you are right. There is certainly some heat between the two, that's for sure.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 24, 2010 21:17:23 GMT -5
People forget that The Undertaker is one of the most egotistical guys in pro wrestling.
I imagine that the two of them clashed at some point. I don't necessarily think it was either of them specifically, but rather the combination of the two.
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Post by ville on Oct 24, 2010 23:08:54 GMT -5
People forget that The Undertaker is one of the most egotistical guys in pro wrestling. I imagine that the two of them clashed at some point. I don't necessarily think it was either of them specifically, but rather the combination of the two. This is the most likely scenario instead of all the talk of it being a "work".
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Post by ville on Oct 24, 2010 23:17:21 GMT -5
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Post by BigDaddyChacon on Oct 24, 2010 23:52:20 GMT -5
^^^Love that pic of Cain pounding on Brock.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 25, 2010 2:34:52 GMT -5
As for Brock I think it is so unfair that all of these forums are treating him as if his title run was a fluke. I hope to see Brock come back and dominate his way to another title shot. Well said, sir... it seems a lot of people can't wait to hate. He's still a very good fighter and one tough SOB. I mean, it's not as though he was a vastly experienced fighter, who tapped out in a minute to a fringe contender... ;D Wow, I should have bought this ppv! I saw the Lesnar fight and was really impressed. The fight was the best one I've seen Lesnar in and really think they stopped it too soon. Yeah, I know he had covered up but I don't think he was in that much danger and may have gotten out of it. Bottom line, when the title is on the line, you really need to hold off on stopages. Look at Ali vs. Foreman as example. Had it been stopped when Ali was letting Foreman pound on him and even his corner thought he was losing, Ali would never have beaten Foreman. I thought the Brock stoppage was perfect... he was getting battered and not defending himself - you even heard Herb Dean say something like "fight back, Brock" before he stepped in. You can't compare it to Ali/Foreman... Ali was always intelligently defending himself and never in serious trouble against Foreman - he just absorbed what Foreman had and waited for him to tire. A masterclass in the "rope-a-dope".
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Post by ville on Oct 25, 2010 3:49:54 GMT -5
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Post by PdW2kX on Oct 25, 2010 3:53:24 GMT -5
That is all.
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the hell demon
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Post by the hell demon on Oct 25, 2010 6:22:19 GMT -5
That is all. hahahahahhahahaaaa These post fight gifs are getting better and better. Torres on the guitar........oh man.
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Post by BigDaddyChacon on Oct 25, 2010 11:27:39 GMT -5
That is all. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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