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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 9, 2011 21:15:30 GMT -5
Nets are real close to getting Carmelo a lot of people are reporting
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Post by user9327 on Jan 9, 2011 22:54:50 GMT -5
Nets are real close to getting Carmelo a lot of people are reporting We've been hearing this crap for weeks now and nothing ever comes out of it. I think if you are Carmelo or Chris Paul and you want to change teams in order to keep up with the current state of the league, you either go play with Dwight Howard or Amare or you are a ing idiot. The truth is, if you are Melo and you end up on NJ with those guys and extend... you're screwed: 1. Your wing man is "the ghost of" rip hamilton. 2. You essentially are in Denver still but you've replaced Nene with Lopez and JR Smith with Hamilton. 3. Your guards are aging and already at the end of or past their primes and 4. Kris Humphries would be helping you get past Boston and Orlando's big's. How is any of this better than outright staying in Denver or just outright signing with NY in the off season? Or even outright signing with NJ this offseason!!?
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Post by BV on Jan 9, 2011 23:11:06 GMT -5
Nets are real close to getting Carmelo a lot of people are reporting We've been hearing this crap for weeks now and nothing ever comes out of it. I think if you are Carmelo or Chris Paul and you want to change teams in order to keep up with the current state of the league, you either go play with Dwight Howard or Amare or you are a ing idiot. The truth is, if you are Melo and you end up on NJ with those guys and extend... you're screwed: 1. Your wing man is "the ghost of" rip hamilton. 2. You essentially are in Denver still but you've replaced Nene with Lopez and JR Smith with Hamilton. 3. Your guards are aging and already at the end of or past their primes and 4. Kris Humphries would be helping you get past Boston and Orlando's big's. How is any of this better than outright staying in Denver or just outright signing with NY in the off season? Or even outright signing with NJ this offseason!!? I doubt Denver cares about any of this. They just want him gone so they can move on and get value for Melo. Hornets playing Denver tonight. Melo is 3/10 and Billups is 1/10. Pretty crappy last game if it indeed is if the trade goes down.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 9, 2011 23:13:54 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense for Denver and Detroit in this. They must think they can build around Melo, sell him on Brooklyn and Lopez and all that and build.
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Post by King of Kings on Jan 9, 2011 23:15:05 GMT -5
That is awesome man. I would have loved to go to that game. How was it live? It was fantastic dude, sorry for the late reply. It was absolutely electric inside the garden.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 9, 2011 23:20:52 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense for Denver and Detroit in this. They must think they can build around Melo, sell him on Brooklyn and Lopez and all that and build. How does it make sense for Detroit to take on 2 contracts such as that (while facing financial issues) and possibly give up a pick as well? I think this trade is bogus (just like the one in September I called bogus) and if it goes down it doesn't resemble this crap you're hearing tonight.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 9, 2011 23:22:00 GMT -5
yea while watching this game I just gave the article a legitimate read over... this article says nearly nothing at all that we didn't know already and would deplete the Nets tremendously in the long run... think about 3 years from now with just Melo, Lopez, old man Hamilton, old man Billups and you traded away Favors along with 2 first round picks!
The article states nothing new from the past week except that now Denver and NJ are CONSIDERING not asking Detroit to surrender a 1st rounder (which they BOTH wanted lol) and also that Detroit still isn't high on taking on Petro.
Then there's the issue of Melo still not saying he will extend (why wouldn't he have said it already?) and then there's the fact that Rip Hamilton is making like 13 million for a few years.
Then there's the worst of it... the article claims Denver is gonna get "at least two first round picks," oh yea? From who? So you're telling me NJ is gonna take on 3 near max contract players (Detroit won in 2004, btw) and have NO draft picks after?
Yes, on second thought, do this trade in a heart beat because this will help the Knicks give up nothing and sign him outright in July when Jersey as a mess again.
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Post by BV on Jan 9, 2011 23:22:32 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense for Denver and Detroit in this. They must think they can build around Melo, sell him on Brooklyn and Lopez and all that and build. How does it make sense for Detroit to take on 2 contracts such as that (while facing financial issues) and possibly give up a pick as well? I think this trade is bogus (just like the one in September I called bogus) and if it goes down it doesn't resemble this crap you're hearing tonight. I doubt Detroit would give up a pick, they aren't helping themselves in any sort of way with this trade, so why should they help out another team? Sure they'll shed a bit of cap space, but they can probably do that at other costs as well.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 9, 2011 23:24:22 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense for Denver and Detroit in this. They must think they can build around Melo, sell him on Brooklyn and Lopez and all that and build. How does it make sense for Detroit to take on 2 contracts such as that (while facing financial issues) and possibly give up a pick as well? I think this trade is bogus (just like the one in September I called bogus) and if it goes down it doesn't resemble this crap you're hearing tonight. Murphy expires, if its just Murphy they save 25$ million, if its Petro they save 17 million Simple really
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Post by BV on Jan 9, 2011 23:25:59 GMT -5
How does it make sense for Detroit to take on 2 contracts such as that (while facing financial issues) and possibly give up a pick as well? I think this trade is bogus (just like the one in September I called bogus) and if it goes down it doesn't resemble this crap you're hearing tonight. Murphy expires, if its just Murphy they save 25$ million, if its Petro they save 17 million Simple really Holy sh*t they would save that much? Good deal for Detroit then. Don't see why they should give up a pick though.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 9, 2011 23:28:57 GMT -5
Rumor has it the pick is off the table and its a straight salary dump for the Pistons (Huge win for them)
This trade wont go down unless Melo signs an extension, so if it happens, hes a Net for at least 3 years.
There is no one without the other. Information is trickling in that he might even sign there too.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 9, 2011 23:29:28 GMT -5
How does it make sense for Detroit to take on 2 contracts such as that (while facing financial issues) and possibly give up a pick as well? I think this trade is bogus (just like the one in September I called bogus) and if it goes down it doesn't resemble this crap you're hearing tonight. I doubt Detroit would give up a pick, they aren't helping themselves in any sort of way with this trade, so why should they help out another team? Sure they'll shed a bit of cap space, but they can probably do that at other costs as well. they want to get rid of Hamilton because they are in financial disarray... but taking back Petro and Murphy actually raises costs this year (just frees up the remaining disaster years of Hamilton's contract) If Detroit isn't giving up the pick then why are they even involved? Why trade for Hamilton AT ALL if you are NJ (if you don't have to, to get their pick). See what I mean? Sounds pretty bogus. Why would Melo commit and sign today to extend with THAT? Why would Jersey trade all that if he didn't commit? That line up would be Lopez Humphries Melo Rip Billups good luck with that one panning out into multiple contending seasons.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 9, 2011 23:31:25 GMT -5
Rumor has it the pick is off the table and its a straight salary dump for the Pistons (Huge win for them) This trade wont go down unless Melo signs an extension, so if it happens, hes a Net for at least 3 years. There is no one without the other. Information is trickling in that he might even sign there too. Where are you getting your info? I'd like to see this part claiming he might even sign there. I call bogus all together just like I did in September. Have any of you seen the Knicks lately? If you're Melo you are bypassing a free chance to outright sign with them to play with Rip and Billups in NJ with no draft picks? I'm not buying any piece of it.
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Post by BV on Jan 9, 2011 23:39:31 GMT -5
I doubt Detroit would give up a pick, they aren't helping themselves in any sort of way with this trade, so why should they help out another team? Sure they'll shed a bit of cap space, but they can probably do that at other costs as well. they want to get rid of Hamilton because they are in financial disarray... but taking back Petro and Murphy actually raises costs this year (just frees up the remaining disaster years of Hamilton's contract) If Detroit isn't giving up the pick then why are they even involved? Why trade for Hamilton AT ALL if you are NJ (if you don't have to, to get their pick). See what I mean? Sounds pretty bogus. Why would Melo commit and sign today to extend with THAT? Why would Jersey trade all that if he didn't commit? That line up would be Lopez Humphries Melo Rip Billups good luck with that one panning out into multiple contending seasons. After seeing how much they would save by this trade, it's good for Detroit. But they shouldn't give up what is most likely a lotto pick just to cut cost. If it's a 2nd round pick, maybe, but with the Pistons that's like a late first rounder.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 9, 2011 23:41:44 GMT -5
Rumor has it the pick is off the table and its a straight salary dump for the Pistons (Huge win for them) This trade wont go down unless Melo signs an extension, so if it happens, hes a Net for at least 3 years. There is no one without the other. Information is trickling in that he might even sign there too. Where are you getting your info? I'd like to see this part claiming he might even sign there. I call bogus all together just like I did in September. Have any of you seen the Knicks lately? If you're Melo you are bypassing a free chance to outright sign with them to play with Rip and Billups in NJ with no draft picks? I'm not buying any piece of it. Check Chris Brousards, Marc Steins, Chad Fords Twitter tonight. Rotoworld has been following it too
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 9, 2011 23:43:03 GMT -5
On ESPN.com
One source close to the situation insisted Sunday that the Nets -- optimistic as this sounds -- believe a face-to-face meeting with Prokhorov won't even be necessary to get Anthony's signoff if New Jersey can indeed acquire Billups and Hamilton. It was not immediately clear, though, how Denver native Billups' reported desire to seek a buyout if he's traded by his hometown team to the Nets would affect Anthony's stance.
Nets officials, though, have remained quietly confident for months that Anthony, born in Brooklyn, ultimately would agree to the extension -- no matter how much he'd prefer to play in New York -- to ensure that he locks in his contract before labor negotiations this summer that are expected to establish a much more restrictive financial landscape in the league.
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Post by BV on Jan 9, 2011 23:44:14 GMT -5
Longer run NJ would be better off with Harris than Billups. Younger, faster, better defender.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 9, 2011 23:47:24 GMT -5
Longer run NJ would be better off with Harris than Billups. Younger, faster, better defender. Neither of them are in New Jerseys plans, they have been trying to dump Harris for 2 years, he either goes in this or another deal before the deadline
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Post by user9327 on Jan 9, 2011 23:50:31 GMT -5
yea but it sounds like Denver wants "at least" 2 first round picks in that package of young players right (Denver is on crack, for the record).
So this is why I see it necessary for NJ to get a 3rd team involved, to get that extra pick. That's probably why Detroit was queried in the first place (asked to gain cap relief but give up a pick)... then Detroit is thinking no way because of the first rounder.
It's irrelevant though because I still beg the question; why try and win a championship with Rip Hamilton and Billups as opposed to just saying in Denver... and why not outright just sign with NJ or NY over this?
You want my take? It's the same as it was back in September when I called that one bogus too. He gets traded at the deadline if the Dec. 15th restriction lift doesn't get it done with NY. I think he gets traded at the deadline to NJ or some other temporary team in a panic, and there's no extension, and then I think he signs with the Knicks and they end up giving up nothing to get him.
That's not even being a homer, that's just being practical. Why on Earth would you go start Denver 2.Old in NJ over just going to play with Amare?
I also find it curious that Orlando never got serious about trying to get Melo (further evidence that Denver is on crack) but took on Arenas.
I also find it fishy that just the other day there were reports Denver was gonna make one more effort to keep him before the deadline (these last two points make this trade report look bogus).
I also find it hilarious that these trade reports only come out during Knicks games (Friday against the Suns while we're up by 30 and they're talking about this and tonight against the Lakers). ESPN is so lol
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Post by user9327 on Jan 9, 2011 23:52:00 GMT -5
On ESPN.com One source close to the situation insisted Sunday that the Nets -- optimistic as this sounds -- believe a face-to-face meeting with Prokhorov won't even be necessary to get Anthony's signoff if New Jersey can indeed acquire Billups and Hamilton. It was not immediately clear, though, how Denver native Billups' reported desire to seek a buyout if he's traded by his hometown team to the Nets would affect Anthony's stance. Nets officials, though, have remained quietly confident for months that Anthony, born in Brooklyn, ultimately would agree to the extension -- no matter how much he'd prefer to play in New York -- to ensure that he locks in his contract before labor negotiations this summer that are expected to establish a much more restrictive financial landscape in the league. yea so once again, where is this information saying Melo might extend there? Sounds like propaganda and another bogus trade. Sounds exactly like September.
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