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Post by Gore on Feb 9, 2011 0:43:45 GMT -5
Denver is probably just trying to get NY to give up more for Melo than they are currently offering by "talking" with LA about a trade.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 1:04:40 GMT -5
Denver is probably just trying to get NY to give up more for Melo than they are currently offering by "talking" with LA about a trade. Bingo. I think both sides would be foolish to make that trade unless LA is looking to replace Kobe soon. Bynum plays like 50 games a season every year. But this should show the value Melo now has as a rent a player at this point of the season. At least if Denver can get Chandler and Brewer they have two guys that can fill the minutes Melo used to log at SF and the few at PF. Chandler can play PF undersized like Melo does at times. I keep trying to think of a better, more realistic situation and that's probably as good as it's going to get for Denver after waiting this long and being this stubborn. Unless NJ gets crazy and offers Favors in exchange for renting him for 3 months. Or if for some odd reason the Nuggets decide to get Aaron Brooks and have 3 point guards. There really isn't much out there. Dalembert? He's in his final year just like Melo. Gerald Wallace? He's on the books next season and has a player option after that. It'd take a lot to get him and the Nuggets aren't gonna give up Lawson. Billups and Melo though, that would be a nice little team there but they're not gonna contend and I doubt the Bobcats would do that. Azubuike and Yao Ming are interesting pieces because they are in their last years and their salaries are insured due to injuries. They're both not playing and that means you don't really take the loss, just get the cap space when they expire. I'm not really sure why Denver doesn't want Azubuike in a package from the Knicks for that reason. I'm starting to question Denver's frame of mind. Are they rebuilding? Or are they seriously still trying to compete? Either way the Knicks trade isn't a bad deal if there really isn't anything else out there...
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Post by Gore on Feb 9, 2011 1:45:07 GMT -5
There's always the chance they just keep him on board for the rest of the season and see how far they get. They'll make the playoffs, and just go from there.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 2:25:43 GMT -5
There's always the chance they just keep him on board for the rest of the season and see how far they get. They'll make the playoffs, and just go from there. Agreed. But I also could see them sending him to the Bobcats just to stick it to everybody involved and to get something decent in return. Bobcats are in turmoil and would like to make a 3 month turnaround/push and gain cap relief at the same time.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 9, 2011 15:38:47 GMT -5
According to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports, Carmelo Anthony said he would "take a real hard look at" signing a contract extension with Denver if he's not traded at the deadline. Obviously that's not a definitive answer in either direction, but a comment like this may help raise Denver management's hopes of keeping Carmelo in town. It's worth noting that Carmelo's quote comes after a Denver Post report earlier on Wednesday saying that there's a "better-than-average" chance that he won't be traded this season.
Make up your mind!
Maybe he wants to just stick it out and get the financial security? Better than taking a leap of faith for 4 months on another team and risking losing $$ come July etc.
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Post by instant classic on Feb 9, 2011 15:52:49 GMT -5
bynum isn't going anywhere ... well maybe orlando in 2 years.
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Post by Quanthor on Feb 9, 2011 15:53:29 GMT -5
games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4qfn4wwJust messing with the trade machine and came up with this. -Portland gets wose now but gets a future PG. -Bulls get rid of one of the big SG contract and in return get Mayo(Brewer/Korver are interchangable in the deal). -Grizz get Miller and Mathews.
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Post by Nash on Feb 9, 2011 18:37:40 GMT -5
games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4qfn4wwJust messing with the trade machine and came up with this. -Portland gets wose now but gets a future PG. -Bulls get rid of one of the big SG contract and in return get Mayo(Brewer/Korver are interchangable in the deal). -Grizz get Miller and Mathews. Seems decent, but I don't see Tibbs wanting to get rid of Brewer. He has actually been playing really well after being off to a slow start. I think secretly Tibbs hates Korver..always looks like he's yelling at him about something; so i could see him in this deal if they did it. But I know alot of Bulls fans, and with myself included, I wouldn't really be willing to give up Korver for just Mayo pretty much. As I suggested a couple weeks ago, I would love to have Mayo, but maybe in some sort of deal that lands Bogans out of here in a package with Gibson possibly. As for the Melo thinking about Denver, that's a good sign if he's actually serious and not just bull****ing around. I for one hope he stays, not just because the Knicks will be a legit threat, but because theres something to say for someone who stays with their team to try and win. I can see after the next three years Denver doesnt win anything, but he (along with LeBron and Bosh) havent even been in the league that long. It'll make more sense if they do it later after really trying with their team ala: Payton with the Heat and Malone (though unsucessfull) with the Lakers.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 19:54:40 GMT -5
Yea but when Payton was with Seattle they actually managed that team well in a completely different era where the need to switch teams was rarer because of a certain player named Michael Jordan. No one wanted to team up against him because they respected him and wanted to defeat them with their current Franchise.
Melo is trying to win a championship and thanks to these super teams; it changes everything.
Denver has had the unfortunate circumstance of Coach Karl's cancer and also that Kenyon Martin contract was a real detriment. The Iverson move turned out to be wasted time and Billups, coach Karl and he never spent a full season together in those 2 years.
Now you've got super teams due to Garnett, LeBron, etc.
Completely different circumstances.
I still say there's no way he's a Nugget when next season starts.
The only teams that have a real chance of winning it all are Boston, LA, Miami and less so Spurs and Magic. Other teams could have an improbable run but what I am saying is unless Melo goes to Chicago, NY or Orlando, he really doesn't have a decent chance at a championship (he's obviously not joining LA, MIA or Boston).
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 9, 2011 20:03:59 GMT -5
Denver isnt luxurious but they have a TON coming off the books, so they could def add a piece or two to help compete. Move Billups and or Lawson for more help too.
Its not hopeless if he decides to stay, all depends on how they use teh cap/what the cap is/etc
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 20:04:56 GMT -5
According to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports, Carmelo Anthony said he would "take a real hard look at" signing a contract extension with Denver if he's not traded at the deadline. Obviously that's not a definitive answer in either direction, but a comment like this may help raise Denver management's hopes of keeping Carmelo in town. It's worth noting that Carmelo's quote comes after a Denver Post report earlier on Wednesday saying that there's a "better-than-average" chance that he won't be traded this season. Make up your mind! Maybe he wants to just stick it out and get the financial security? Better than taking a leap of faith for 4 months on another team and risking losing $$ come July etc. This news is great and all, but, then there's also the fact that he's trying to win a championship. I'd say that's the most relevant information in this entire fiasco, seeing as it's the basis for any reason this news and Melo talk exists. Even LeBron listened to Cleveland and the Clippers last Summer. But the only relevant thing that mattered was a championship. I think the only way he stays in Denver is if they get a superstar or package of good players to join him. I realize as a Boston fan, the thought of him on LA or NY is not something you want to see. But he's gonna end up somewhere that allows him to compete against your team for a championship, regardless of all this.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 20:07:10 GMT -5
Denver isnt luxurious but they have a TON coming off the books, so they could def add a piece or two to help compete. Move Billups and or Lawson for more help too. Its not hopeless if he decides to stay, all depends on how they use teh cap/what the cap is/etc Oh yea? What piece? Billups isn't worth trading, they'll never get equal value. They would be fools to trade Lawson and the rest of the team outside of Nene (questionably salary range) is doodoo for trade value.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 9, 2011 20:21:55 GMT -5
Again, you are not Carmelo or anyone who works in the NBA. You have no idea who or what is discussed or what can happen. You have no idea how the CBA will be set up etc. I said its possible they could add pieces, because it is. He also has automatic security and more money by agreeing to Denver, so thats a big part of it too.
With 30 million in cap space, why wouldnt they try to build around Carmelo? He is 26 yaers old, its not like this is the only chance he has to win a title, and he MUST go now.
On the books next year is Nene's option, which he might decline, Harrington, Chris Anderson, Renaldo Balkman and Ty Lawson. And Affalo has a qualifying option.
Chauncey Billups is gone actually, so tehres even more space. Thats 28 million without Carmelos Extension, why couldnt they get a big piece to pair with him?
I dont care where Carmelo goes, he sure could wind up in NY, but you are the one who thinks the only place that works is NY which just isnt the case. If he doenst go to NY he is making the biggest mistake of his life. And its just not true, going to NY does not guarantee him a title, not even close. There is no guarantee.
You did this with Lebron last summer, yelling at anyone who said he might not go to NY and gave 940 reasons why his only move was NY and how he would be an idiot to go elsewhere etc etc and obviously that was not the case.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 20:27:28 GMT -5
Again, you are not Carmelo or anyone who works in the NBA. You have no idea who or what is discussed or what can happen. You have no idea how the CBA will be set up etc. I said its possible they could add pieces, because it is. He also has automatic security and more money by agreeing to Denver, so thats a big part of it too. With 30 million in cap space, why wouldnt they try to build around Carmelo? He is 26 yaers old, its not like this is the only chance he has to win a title, and he MUST go now. On the books next year is Nene's option, which he might decline, Harrington, Chris Anderson, Renaldo Balkman and Ty Lawson. And Affalo has a qualifying option. Chauncey Billups is gone actually, so tehres even more space. Thats 28 million without Carmelos Extension, why couldnt they get a big piece to pair with him? I dont care where Carmelo goes, he sure could wind up in NY, but you are the one who thinks the only place that works is NY which just isnt the case. If he doenst go to NY he is making the biggest mistake of his life. And its just not true, going to NY does not guarantee him a title, not even close. There is no guarantee. 1. stop putting words in my mouth it's really lame. 2. I never said NY is the only place for him, clearly in my last posts I wrote Chicago, Orlando or NY and I've stated here countless times that if he and Billups ended up in Orlando the entire league is screwed. 3. LOL at Al Harrington and Chris Andersen's ATROCIOUS contracts. You want to talk about the new CBA... those contracts are going to be crippling even if they get a percentage knocked off. 4. all of this is great but once again this is all happening because he wants to win a championship. Denver is in no position to compete for a championship over the next 5 years. You do realize that Miami is one player away from winning like the next 5 championships after LA and Boston have their turns? Melo is not winning a championship with the basic nucleus going forward of himself, Chris Andersen and Al Harrington. You said yourself Billups and Nene are either gone or going to be resigned to count against the cap. That team is screwed compared to these super teams.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 20:29:32 GMT -5
PS 30 million in cap space BEFORE Melo extends or resigns after opting out.
So in other words, no, they don't have cap space to do anything outside of fill the team with role players or add one top tier superstar who will have better options available than the cap straddled Denver Nuggets who gave Al Harrington and Chris Andersen two of the worst contracts in recent history.
Affalo is also restricted after next year and is gonna be hard to retain without crippling the cap. Ditto on Lawson in about 2 more seasons... he's gonna command a big salary that they will have to match to keep him.
In other words, Denver is in no position to add a top tier piece without something mind boggling taking place.
You said yourself they aren't luxurious.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 9, 2011 20:34:59 GMT -5
Putting words in your mouth? Read your posts, especially last summers. You also said he wants to win a title, what player has never said that? Also, again NY is not guaranteed to win one, why wouldnt Denver add in FA or trades and be able to compete within the 3 years of his extension? (Here is where you tell me why and here is again why I tell you that you are not in the NBA)
2. I listed the contracts, I didnt say they didnt suck or worthless.
3. You dont know the cap, I gave it a ballpark figure, and even if its half of that, tehy can still add pieces.
4. There is no basic nucleus going forward if you read what I wrote, because half the team is a FA, hence the refilling it with FA's and trades.
5. Billups is gone, would you pick up an 11 million team option on him? Nene has a player option, he might not accept it with the year he is having.
6. You ALWAYS say the only trade or the only place is NY, you gloss over Chicago or LA because theres no way they can happen and just like Lebron any rumor or idea that has Melo landing elsewhere is wrong or doesnt make sense. Look it up.
7. I like lists too
8. I meant Denver is luxurious because its Denver and not LA or NY, its still a good basketball city, with cap space, a PG and a Hall of Fame coach.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 20:45:04 GMT -5
Putting words in your mouth? Read your posts, especially last summers. You also said he wants to win a title, what player has never said that? Also, again NY is not guaranteed to win one, why wouldnt Denver add in FA or trades and be able to compete within the 3 years of his extension? (Here is where you tell me why and here is again why I tell you that you are not in the NBA) 2. I listed the contracts, I didnt say they didnt suck or worthless. 3. You dont know the cap, I gave it a ballpark figure, and even if its half of that, tehy can still add pieces. 4. There is no basic nucleus going forward if you read what I wrote, because half the team is a FA, hence the refilling it with FA's and trades. 5. Billups is gone, would you pick up an 11 million team option on him? Nene has a player option, he might not accept it with the year he is having. 6. You ALWAYS say the only trade or the only place is NY, you gloss over Chicago or LA because theres no way they can happen and just like Lebron any rumor or idea that has Melo landing elsewhere is wrong or doesnt make sense. Look it up. 7. I like lists too 8. I meant Denver is luxurious because its Denver and not LA or NY, its still a good basketball city, with cap space, a PG and a Hall of Fame coach. Other teams could have an improbable run but what I am saying is unless Melo goes to Chicago, NY or Orlando, he really doesn't have a decent chance at a championship (he's obviously not joining LA, MIA or Boston). As for the rest of that. I don't have to explain myself to someone who can't even get the facts straight. I believe Orlando is his best chance to win but it's not a likely destination. I've been saying this since September. As for all the Knicks talk, yes at times it's looked like the most probable destination outside of Denver. I mean, don't a lot of people feel that way? But yea, this last post of yours is really hard to respond to and keep participating because: 1. you're telling me WHAT I THINK and what I said... I'm showing you otherwise. 2. you're telling us all how the Denver Nuggets are still going to be a title contender after this season if they retain Melo. ooooooooooook then. You can stick with that, and I'll stick with the part about him wanting to win a championship and how I think his best chances are Orlando, Chicago and NY... with NY being the most likely destination. But if you think that means I'm saying the only place for him is the Knicks then I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by Quanthor on Feb 9, 2011 20:46:13 GMT -5
I think if even if Melo winds up in NY, NY is still a few years from putting together the final pieces from contending for a title. Their ancillary players are still too young and inconsistent to win night in and night out especially on the road. Those guys need time to develop and NY would still need an upgrade at the point and other strong willed vets to get there. They also have to worry about defense and half court execution because I don't see them or any team winning unless they do that either.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 20:53:44 GMT -5
I think if even if Melo winds up in NY, NY is still a few years from putting together the final pieces from contending for a title. Their ancillary players are still too young and inconsistent to win night in and night out especially on the road. Those guys need time to develop and NY would still need an upgrade at the point and other strong willed vets to get there. They also have to worry about defense and half court execution because I don't see them or any team winning unless they do that either. I agree with you. They'd have to develop chemistry and also like you said the defense will never be proven until they win due to D'Antoni. As I've said since September, the best place for him would be Orlando if he and Billups could join Howard and they still had Reddick or Nelson to hit 3's.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2011 21:02:06 GMT -5
I just realized I had this same conversation with Ralpho last year about why Cleveland was screwed and LeBron was definitely leaving. You tried to tell me this same stuff about how he could still stay because Cleveland could do this and that and the actuality was, no, they couldn't and didn't. You also put words in my mouth then and claimed I said NY was the ONLY place for him. When I was clearly rooting for that, but admitted Chicago was a "ready made team and his best option," exact words.
Denver's cap situation going forward is suspect due to the Andersen and Harrington contracts. Also, to keep Billups, Carmelo, Nene or any combination of those players their payroll would be pretty big. I mean that's a no brainer, just like the Cleveland situation. Bad contracts, superstar wants to win and there's no promise of anybody else coming there because your Franchise's state is suspect.
Then there's Orlando, NY and Chicago... who all have Superstars in place. Kinda like Miami had Superstars in place before LeBron made his decision.
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