|
Post by HugoOne on Nov 24, 2010 13:51:14 GMT -5
I have to agree on the catchphrase. Almost all catch phrases are ridiculous to a point. Macho Man used to yell out, "Oooh yeah, dig it!" The most important part is that the crowd gets behind it. I have yet to hear a crowd not yell "Awesome" with the Miz as he says it. It's insanely over. Signs are made to parody it, signs are made to support it, t-shirts are made to support it...it works. Jimmy said it best when he compared the Rock's reign to the Miz' reign. Now, I'm not saying the Miz is as good as the Rock turned out to be, but both started off the year at the Rumble by defending their mid-card title, both were still holding that Championship by Summerslam, and both won the WWE Championship through nefarious means around or at Survivor Series. And the Miz is loaded with charisma, much like the Rock. I honestly don't see anything stopping the Miz from continuing to follow the path of the Rock in the ring, and getting better and better each day. Well, if that's the case, he's failing at being a heel then. Although I'm pretty sure most of the time the majority of the crowd is yell 'I'm AWWWFULL.' In which case, he's a good heel. I also think comparing Miz to The Rock is a joke. I'm sorry, but to me The Miz shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as The Rock, Stone Cold etc etc. The crowd would yell Rock's catchphrase with the Rock, while he was a heel, and Rock would stop and say, "This ain't sing-a-long with the Champ." And he was still a great heel. It's absolutely acceptable to compare the 1998 Rock to the 2010 Miz. I'm not saying Miz is anywhere near as good as Rock was in 2003, and he may never be, but they're mid-card-to-main-event paths do mirror each other. You have to remember that guys like the Undertaker, the Rock, Triple H...none of them were at the level they're at now when they first won the Championship. They all worked at it and improved their in-ring game and character as time went on. I expect Miz to do the same. People think that this is the best Miz is going to get, when history shows that people with dedication to the business like Miz has, are only going to improve when they get to the main event status.
|
|
|
Post by BØRNS on Nov 24, 2010 13:56:41 GMT -5
Wrong. Miz just isn't credible. I would find him more believable if he wasn't just made to look like a goof most of the time. I SERIOUSLY will NEVER take his stupid catchphrase seriously "I'm Awesome"? Really? That's it? That's what makes him a bit of a goof and an unrealistic champion, but that's not necessarily his fault. And, please. Don't compare UFC to pro-wrestling. They both are different. And I would NEVER stop watching UFC or MMA because "omgz mi fav fyter got knokd out!!1", because once again, MMA is NOT pro-wrestling. And, just to clarify, I have ALWAYS labeled Miz as a reality TV reject. Always. Because "Do you smell what I'm cooking" is muuuuch more credible as a catchphrase. Or "Because Stone Cold Said So!" wassoooo inovative. News flash, ALL catchphrases are corny. But applied to the individual, they work. The Miz is a self indulging prick who toots his own horn all the time. The catchphrase works, and is easily satired with "AWWWFULL", so the whole crowd can get into it. Say what you want, but Miz at this point is JUST as credible as Edge was back when he won the first MITB. Heck, compare the two timeframes and their practically the same type of heel. You also continue to call him a reality show reject, when in fact it's how he began to make a name for himself. I don't see where the "reject" title applies to be honest. But there's nothing wrong with not liking him. That's fine. But as said earlier, not liking him because of the reality tv thing is not liking Booker T because he was a criminal before he wrestled. At least The Miz put on an actual match for his cashing-in, instead of 1 or 2 moves to someone completely unconscious...
|
|
|
Post by wabarrett on Nov 24, 2010 14:00:30 GMT -5
Well, if that's the case, he's failing at being a heel then. Although I'm pretty sure most of the time the majority of the crowd is yell 'I'm AWWWFULL.' In which case, he's a good heel. I also think comparing Miz to The Rock is a joke. I'm sorry, but to me The Miz shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as The Rock, Stone Cold etc etc. The crowd would yell Rock's catchphrase with the Rock, while he was a heel, and Rock would stop and say, "This ain't sing-a-long with the Champ." And he was still a great heel. It's absolutely acceptable to compare the 1998 Rock to the 2010 Miz. I'm not saying Miz is anywhere near as good as Rock was in 2003, and he may never be, but they're mid-card-to-main-event paths do mirror each other. You have to remember that guys like the Undertaker, the Rock, Triple H...none of them were at the level they're at now when they first won the Championship. They all worked at it and improved their in-ring game and character as time went on. I expect Miz to do the same. People think that this is the best Miz is going to get, when history shows that people with dedication to the business like Miz has, are only going to improve when they get to the main event status. Well that is a very good point. I just think it's too soon for The Miz. Let's be honest, he was a total joke from his debut up until he began Tag-Teaming with JoMo. Even then, Morrison was the 'Shaman of Sexy', the 'Guru of Greatness', 'the Tuesday Night Delight'... while the Miz was 'Your Chick Magnet'... *cringes*. He was still looking like crap after they split as well, claiming wins over John Cena without actually having matches with him, eventually jobbing to him in all of about 5 minutes... What I'm trying to say is that he's had one solid year so far: 2010. He began the year with a much more credible look, some decent entrance music, and most importantly, the U.S. title. Whether I like it or not, he has improved over the years and this year has looked a much more believable player. He's held the U.S. gold for months, he won Money in the Bank, and he's now cashed it in and won already. All the while he's needed a sidekick, Alex Riley, to help him jump most hurdles he's faced... and that's no doubt going to continue for a while now he's Champion. Our WWE Champion has an apprentice. Really, Really? Apologies for cheesy Miz quote reference at the end there. But my point stands. It's all happened a bit quick for someone who's been a laughing stock for majority of his WWE career so far.
|
|
|
Post by DC:UK on Nov 24, 2010 14:42:35 GMT -5
I loved how it all played out at the end. Cena doing the run in, Orton retains and just when you think the excitment has peaked then bam out comes Miz. It felt attitude era like, like when Austin ran down to help Mankind win the title for the first time. Well played WWE.
|
|
|
Post by ctln4rko on Nov 24, 2010 14:45:30 GMT -5
Raw could not have been any better. The Miz is my favorite wrestler, and I have been DYING to see him cash in. My damn cable isn't working, so I missed what would have been the best raw of the year. Punk was on commentary, Miz won the title, ANOTHER 3 hours special king of the ring@!! really shaping up.
|
|
|
Post by dmkp0wer on Nov 24, 2010 15:20:59 GMT -5
When Miz won the title on RAW, I felt like how I did when Hunter won his first title on RAW, I couldn't take him seriously. I thought it was a joke of a run. Until he had his match with Foley at the Rumble 00. After that, he continued to put on great matches and worked on his character as time went along. He evolved. Just like every wrestler goes through, they evolve. The Miz will continue working on his craft and he shouldn't be defined by just this first run. Give the guy a chance to prove himself instead of impulsively assuming he's going to fail.
|
|
|
Post by alexgg on Nov 24, 2010 18:48:19 GMT -5
I dont recall so many people complain when Jack Swagger won the WHC, maybe I missed them, but at the time he seemed more of a joke, not long falling off a feud with Santino Marella. I liked his reign though, shame he got ditched afterwards.
I doubt Miz will be forgotton about and will be a big player in the company in the future with many reigns to come.
|
|
cyantist
Superstar
Joined on: May 9, 2010 6:47:56 GMT -5
Posts: 950
|
Post by cyantist on Nov 24, 2010 19:01:36 GMT -5
Are you kidding me The Miz really ? He better lose that damn title at TLC to Orton. A true champion is someone who worked had to become champion not someone who goes and attacks some injury and tired man. Please tell me this isn't going to be the new fad here. Anytime someone criticises Miz that ing picture shows up.
|
|
|
Post by alexgg on Nov 24, 2010 19:11:21 GMT -5
Please tell me this isn't going to be the new fad here. Anytime someone criticises Miz that ing picture shows up. Well...Yes, yes it is.
|
|
|
Post by juicewinslow on Nov 24, 2010 19:21:42 GMT -5
Hopefully this will help elevate Daniel Bryan & John Morrison as well... since they have a history together. The feuds will most likely be re-visited. Shoot, at Survivor Series Miz knocked Daniel Bryan down out of the blue for no reason. lol.
|
|
|
Post by Sam on Nov 24, 2010 19:21:49 GMT -5
Please tell me this isn't going to be the new fad here. Anytime someone criticises Miz that ing picture shows up. Just counter it with this:
|
|
|
Post by BulletV1 on Nov 25, 2010 0:29:38 GMT -5
Hopefully this will help elevate Daniel Bryan & John Morrison as well... since they have a history together. The feuds will most likely be re-visited. Shoot, at Survivor Series Miz knocked Daniel Bryan down out of the blue for no reason. lol. Well he was clearly in the Miz's way, and it's not like Miz and Bryan didn't just recently feud with Bryan coming out on top.
|
|
|
Post by juicewinslow on Nov 25, 2010 0:33:38 GMT -5
Hopefully this will help elevate Daniel Bryan & John Morrison as well... since they have a history together. The feuds will most likely be re-visited. Shoot, at Survivor Series Miz knocked Daniel Bryan down out of the blue for no reason. lol. Well he was clearly in the Miz's way, and it's not like Miz and Bryan didn't just recently feud with Bryan coming out on top. Yeah so hopefully it will help elevate Daniel Bryan.
|
|
|
Post by James Hetfield on Nov 25, 2010 1:46:12 GMT -5
Wrong. Miz just isn't credible. I would find him more believable if he wasn't just made to look like a goof most of the time. I SERIOUSLY will NEVER take his stupid catchphrase seriously "I'm Awesome"? Really? That's it? That's what makes him a bit of a goof and an unrealistic champion, but that's not necessarily his fault. And, please. Don't compare UFC to pro-wrestling. They both are different. And I would NEVER stop watching UFC or MMA because "omgz mi fav fyter got knokd out!!1", because once again, MMA is NOT pro-wrestling. And, just to clarify, I have ALWAYS labeled Miz as a reality TV reject. Always. Because "Do you smell what I'm cooking" is muuuuch more credible as a catchphrase. Or "Because Stone Cold Said So!" wassoooo inovative. News flash, ALL catchphrases are corny. But applied to the individual, they work. The Miz is a self indulging prick who toots his own horn all the time. The catchphrase works, and is easily satired with "AWWWFULL", so the whole crowd can get into it. Say what you want, but Miz at this point is JUST as credible as Edge was back when he won the first MITB. Heck, compare the two timeframes and their practically the same type of heel. You also continue to call him a reality show reject, when in fact it's how he began to make a name for himself. I don't see where the "reject" title applies to be honest. But there's nothing wrong with not liking him. That's fine. But as said earlier, not liking him because of the reality tv thing is not liking Booker T because he was a criminal before he wrestled. I can take Edge seriously as champion. He has good matches and he's overall good on the mic and in the ring. Same with Austin, Rock and pretty much any BIG star that looks the part and can wrestle. Miz isn't any of those. He hasn't had any memorable or good matches really, and he just isn't believable as the MAIN GUY of RAW. He seemed to be a better fit as U.S. or tag team champion. I understand what heels do. I know what a heel is, but Miz isn't one of those kind of heels that makes me say "Awwww, you, I hate you, you suck, etc." It's just sort of annoying and funny that he is champion, because (like I have said before) I can't take him seriously. He doesn't have the exact LOOK as a main eventer. I'm not saying someone like Sheamus does, because Sheamus is awful too. Orton and Cena, while VERY, VERY dull and boring, are actually realistic champions to me because they can play to a gimmick or have good matches here and there. Look, I honestly don't care that everyone is just jizzing over this guy. I'm just saying, TO ME, he isn't very impressive. He has lost to lower-tier/mid card guys recently and has ANOTHER goof as a manager/lackey. He isn't much of a heel or "bad guy" to me, he is just a guy to laugh at.
|
|