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Post by SodaGuy on Dec 5, 2010 3:37:34 GMT -5
Easy, you're getting all worked up. I'm not attacking you, just making an observation. I'm saying it seems like you're really quick to shut down Foley's opinion when he's the man in the situation. You're really strong about your opinion, at the same time. Either way, I don't care. Hopefully what ever he ends up doing, he's happy with. By the way, Nash is the man. I said the exact same thing. He seems to get extremely defensive when someone tries to explain with reasoning, something about TNA, be it good or bad. Are you serious? The only thing I said was my personal opinion on the matter and how he came across... to me. How can you "explain" how someone came across, again to me? You can't. I got defensive because of the comment he made toward me stating: Oh well, honestly, what does Foley bring to the table? Nothing, nothing at all and that's from a Foley fan. He's already been the champion, ran the company on TV, and wrestled on the side... what left is there for him? I see him sticking around though, it comes off like the usual wrestler interview when his contract is up with the "I don't care, I'll leave" attitude. I think maybe you should trust that TNA is probably ing him around. Where did I say anything about him making crap up? I didn't, he came off (TO ME, again) with the attitude of many wrestlers where they do these interviews and come off "When my contract is up, I don't know. I might just leave". Who are you to tell me how something came across to me? You can't because you aren't me. That's the way it came off to me, as someone who watched the interview. I never said TNA wasn't "f-ing" him around or whatever, I just simply stated the way the comments came off in the interview. I'm allowed to judge what I hear in an interview and I felt that Foley came off very much acting like he didn't really care. You can't explain to me how a comment came off to me. Don't put words in my mouth or make a statement that comes nowhere close to what I say. EDIT: I never "shut down" Foley's opinions either. I just stated how Foley came off in the interview to me. I wasn't aware that you guys had my eyes, ears, and way of taking in an interview to know how he came off to me. THanks for clearing that up for me.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 5, 2010 4:17:04 GMT -5
I said the exact same thing. He seems to get extremely defensive when someone tries to explain with reasoning, something about TNA, be it good or bad. Are you serious? The only thing I said was my personal opinion on the matter and how he came across... to me. How can you "explain" how someone came across, again to me? You can't. I got defensive because of the comment he made toward me stating: I think maybe you should trust that TNA is probably ing him around. You wanna bring the opinion thing up. Fine. It was Valo's opinion and his thought that you should trust what Foley says. Because he's the one, you know, in the situation. He's the one experiencing what he's talking about. And you're just a fan [read: mark] who watches the product on TV, yet has no idea WHATSOEVER of the inner workings of the company, no matter how much you think you do. Lemme ask you this. If you're a professional wrestler, and the company you work for doesn't make a concerted effort to use you as you feel like you could be used, wouldn't you start to not care? Foley has the right to that. One of the more recognizable names in professional wrestling, and he goes out and busts his ass to get some publicity for TNA and they can't even bother to make time to show some footage of his efforts. Sounds like they could care less about Mick, so why should he care for them? And again, about you getting defensive. Nobody once, in this entire thread, said anything about how it came across to you. Yet you said 3 times in your last reply about people telling you how the interview came across to you. Valo even went so far as to make it a point to say that he was not attacking you, nor was he calling you a TNA mark. He said, in response to what you said, that maybe - just maybe - you should trust what Foley says, because he knows what's going on, and he was saying that you should not just think that it's another wrestler with the "I don't care" attitude. Where did Valo tell you how the interview had to come across to you? He never did. I never did. Yet you got defensive over that. Oh well, honestly, what does Foley bring to the table? Nothing, nothing at all and that's from a Foley fan. He's already been the champion, ran the company on TV, and wrestled on the side... what left is there for him? I see him sticking around though, it comes off like the usual wrestler interview when his contract is up with the "I don't care, I'll leave" attitude. I never pick on you for being a TNA "mark" like everyone else seems to do around here, but come on, man. This is a professional who knows what kind of situation he's in and he's dealt with this business for 20 years. I think maybe you should trust that TNA is probably ing him around. Where, in that comment, did Valo say anything about what you are or are not entitled to feel? Nowhere. But you replied with this, the first line in your reply: I'm entitled to feel the way I want to feel on the situation, never once did I say TNA wasn't all the things he said, so you can drop that. That = defensive. No one in this entire thread said how the interview had to come off to you. Yet, 4 times - AT LEAST 4 TIMES - you got defensive with saying "Don't tell me how the interview came off to me. Don't put words in my mouth. Who are you to tell me how the interview came off to me?" Again, no one in this entire thread said anything about how the interview came off to you. And the "Don't put words in my mouth" part....quoting you, so you can't say you didn't say it. I got defensive because of the comment he made toward me stating: And you turned and said this, just in the reply right above mine: Don't put words in my mouth or make a statement that comes nowhere close to what I say. If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what the f**k is. Valo NEVER said that you said Foley made stuff up. Yet you said: Where did Valo say anything you saying Foley made crap up?
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Post by SodaGuy on Dec 5, 2010 4:26:57 GMT -5
He plain as day stated: "I think maybe you should trust that TNA is probably ing him around."
When in no way, shape, or form did I say they weren't. I'm done with this, so you can drop it. I'm not going to get a warning level for making a simple post in a forum and having it (once again) turn into a fight because I had a different train of thought.
Now, why don't you actually comment on the topic at hand instead of examining my post and making comments that relate in no way to the topic.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Dec 5, 2010 4:41:00 GMT -5
He plain as day stated: "I think maybe you should trust that TNA is probably ing him around." When in no way, shape, or form did I say they weren't. I'm done with this, so you can drop it. I'm not going to get a warning level for making a simple post in a forum and having it (once again) turn into a fight because I had a different train of thought. Now, why don't you actually comment on the topic at hand instead of examining my post and making comments that relate in no way to the topic. That wasn't attacking you. That wasn't telling you how the interview came across to you. That wasn't putting words in your mouth. That was his thought. You like to bring up thoughts and opinions, but when someone has a different one than you, you think people are attacking you.
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Post by SodaGuy on Dec 5, 2010 4:58:27 GMT -5
He plain as day stated: "I think maybe you should trust that TNA is probably ing him around." When in no way, shape, or form did I say they weren't. I'm done with this, so you can drop it. I'm not going to get a warning level for making a simple post in a forum and having it (once again) turn into a fight because I had a different train of thought. Now, why don't you actually comment on the topic at hand instead of examining my post and making comments that relate in no way to the topic. That wasn't attacking you. That wasn't telling you how the interview came across to you. That wasn't putting words in your mouth. That was his thought. You like to bring up thoughts and opinions, but when someone has a different one than you, you think people are attacking you. I never said anything to the extent of him attacking me, I don't get where you are pulling this from. We all take things different ways, I took the comments made by Foley of saying "I don't care, I'll leave". How's that saying Foley is wrong? How's that shutting down Foley's opinion? How is that me not "trusting" TNA isn't doing the things Foley says he is? It's not, I took the comments in a different way than other people. How does that turn into me "shutting his opinion" down? It's not. It came off to me differently than other people. How does that relate to Foley's opinion? Again, it doesn't. Bottom line: Valo. isn't wrong, and I'm not wrong. There isn't a right or wrong answer here, it's the way you hear things. I think Foley came off one way, Valo. a different way which just because I think it came off a different way doesn't mean I am shutting down Foley's opinion nor saying he is wrong. There is no argument here as people are going to take things different ways, it's that simple. I'm not wrong in the way I took Foley's words and Valo. isn't wrong in the way he took it. We are going to take things different ways.
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