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Post by kurtangleisgod on Feb 27, 2011 4:45:51 GMT -5
So because Fitch doesn't go out of his way to make his fights entertaining for the fans, and instead does what works and has a ing phenomenal record he doesn't deserve a thing? Just goes to show the sport isn't about who the best is, it's about who the most entertaining is.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 27, 2011 4:48:37 GMT -5
Has nothing to do with being entertaining. There are fighters that win decsions all the time that deserve more because they TRY to finish. Fitch does NOT do that.
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Post by kurtangleisgod on Feb 27, 2011 4:53:09 GMT -5
No law says you have to try to finish. He does what works for him. I would like ot see him finish, but meh. He does the exact same style I'd do if I pursued this career. If it was me, I'd finish if i saw an opportunity, but im not going to go out of my way to try to finish and potentially leave myself open when I can just control the fight from the beginning most of the time
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 27, 2011 8:26:28 GMT -5
Bisping is a piece of sh*t for the illegal knee. He paused, THEN threw the knee. He did that on purpose. Lol - no sh*t. Rivera's lucky Bisping didn't knee him in the balls too after all the crap he's been saying about him and his family. Bisping rules. Hell yes, the Aussie's popped afterwards when he celebrated kneeing him, so did I! Glad to see Rivera get what's coming to him, should of gave him an extra knee for s&g's.
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Post by Boquest on Feb 27, 2011 11:44:42 GMT -5
Pathetic gameplan by BJ as well. Care to explain on why you think that? I just don't see it.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Feb 27, 2011 12:40:20 GMT -5
Has nothing to do with being entertaining. There are fighters that win decsions all the time that deserve more because they TRY to finish. Fitch does NOT do that. The point is you don't need to finish fights to win. And his record shows that. He doesn't try to do that because it's not in his game plan. He deserves a shot at the title.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 27, 2011 14:24:49 GMT -5
Pathetic gameplan by BJ as well. Care to explain on why you think that? I just don't see it. Tried to out-wrestle the wrestler and didn't work out. He had a CLEAR advantage in the standup, and just decided to clinch with the guy who constantly clinches. He underestimated Fitch on the ground. He let go of the body triangle (which you should never do) and Fitch turned into his guard two or three times.
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Post by hammer on Feb 27, 2011 14:43:19 GMT -5
the first time i watched it, i thought fitch won round 2 somewhat easy, and round 3 really easy. i watched round 2 again, just to see if i missed anything... it really was alot closer of a round then i initially had bj down for. i suppose im just numb to what fitch does now, so i give him the credit for his cage control for 3:30 of the round, whether its boring or not. bj had those short elbows, and had the takedown with back control... but fitch regained control fairly quick, spun right into bjs guard and controlled the last minute and a half of the round. personally, i didnt think this fight was anywhere near as boring as some of fitch's past classics though.
that said, i learned my lesson on fitch long ago... i considered ordering this for all of about 20 seconds, then decided id rather take a nap and wait til now til i could catch them online. especially since 128 looks so damned awesome.
one of bjs cornermen cracked me up when the decision was announced, he ran around the cage pumping his fist after the draw was announced. everyone else on bjs team, and all of fitch's team looked completely dejected with the decision, except for that one guy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2011 16:32:22 GMT -5
My thoughts on the day, as I was there...
I don't know if any of my American friends heard some of the crowd shouting stuff, but I was quite disappointed with my supposed countrymen yelling uneducated crap like 'Get a room' and so on...
The music inbetween fights was way too loud...and I was in the 'cheap seats'.
I missed the first two fights due to disorganisation in the arena.
Anthony Perosh winning was great, as was Kyle Noke, though they would be the only Aussies to do so.
Ring VS Fukuda was excruciatingly bad, Pearson VS Fisher was okay, but nothing to write home about, Lytle's performance was Disappointment Of The Night, shared with George's, (I'll take nothing away from Siver, he did well in both striking and takedown defence) while Bisping's grounded knee signalled the end of Rivera, I just knew it would be over from there.
Penn VS Fitch was quite disappointing too, BJ had the entire crowd behind him, and just couldn't work any magic...I knew Fitch would grind it out, and it obviously showed.
All in all, a good experience, but I'm not sure if I'll be anxious to see it again when it comes back into town.
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Post by Boquest on Feb 27, 2011 19:00:04 GMT -5
Care to explain on why you think that? I just don't see it. Tried to out-wrestle the wrestler and didn't work out. He had a CLEAR advantage in the standup, and just decided to clinch with the guy who constantly clinches. He underestimated Fitch on the ground. He let go of the body triangle (which you should never do) and Fitch turned into his guard two or three times. I do understand where your coming from, but I disagree. Fitch himself said he expected Penn to stand up and trade, and was caught off guard when he went for the take-down. Penn arguably won the first 2 rounds with his game-plan, before finally Fitch was able to get him in the third with his game. If Penn were to stand up and trade the whole fight, regardless of his superior striking, with the size difference Fitch would have had BJ on his back the entire fight. If your close enough to punch someone, your even closer to get taken down.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 27, 2011 19:07:18 GMT -5
BJ was on his back for a lot of the fight, so what would have been the difference? BJ should have stood up and kept his distance and stayed as far away from the cage as possible. Stick and move, but he decided to clinch the clincher.
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Post by 1992 on Feb 27, 2011 20:18:35 GMT -5
I was totally surprised too. Innitially I thought he was gonna throw Fitch for a loop, and switch out between rounds...
1st - Shoot for the takedown, 2nd - Keep his distance, exchange 3rd - Mix it up and try to both
I was real surprised and thoroughly disappointed when he continuously clinched up. I think he overestimated his strength at WW and underestimated Fitch. Grossly.
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Post by BAD LUCK BRIAN on Feb 27, 2011 23:52:22 GMT -5
there is no dobut australia will two shows are year now with yesterday's event the highest gate outside of north america
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Post by sean™ on Feb 28, 2011 9:46:19 GMT -5
I'm sure he'll clip him, but George will get the takedown and get the submission soon after. It's a good day to be a Dennis Siver fan.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Feb 28, 2011 15:03:24 GMT -5
I'm glad Sotiropoulos lost - he's not as good as they're making him out to be. awesome...Rivera vs. Bisping is the perfect fight for Rivera...a big name against a guy who is extremely overrated. I am hoping Rivera can pick his shots wisely and KO Bisping. If he tries to rush in for the KO I think Bisping will use his "elusiveness" to win a boring decision. LOL at you.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 28, 2011 16:12:23 GMT -5
I'm sure he'll clip him, but George will get the takedown and get the submission soon after. It's a good day to be a Dennis Siver fan. Sure is. I was very surprised at his takedown defense. That was some BJ Penn sh*t.
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Post by sean™ on Feb 28, 2011 16:12:45 GMT -5
I don't have anything against George, so much as I just hate it when people act like certain fights have a foregone conclusion.
Siver had great takedown defense against Andre Winner, so I didn't see it going to the ground ASAP. His gameplan seemed to work perfect, by stuffing the takedowns and getting shots in at the same time, and then keeping distance with legkicks.
I'm sure George would tap me out in a second on the mat, but seeing him getting so frustrated in the last round made me smile.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 28, 2011 16:18:09 GMT -5
Well, George was able to take everyone else down who he has faced, including great wrestlers like Joe Stevenson and Kurt Pellegrino. It's obvious it was something Siver worked on and paid off.
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Post by sean™ on Feb 28, 2011 16:30:14 GMT -5
I think if George hadn't been cracked twice in the first round, he could have made something mroe out of the second and third round. I though the last round was a draw personally, with Dennis taking the first two based on stuffing the takedowns, pushing the action (especially right at the beginning) and more shots landed.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 28, 2011 16:31:39 GMT -5
Congrats, your country's best fighter beat an old fighter, and had to land an extremely cheap knee to the face to do it.
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