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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Jan 1, 2011 13:08:49 GMT -5
Just been watching some Tagged Classics, JD98 and Rock Bottom 98, and SVDM 99 and Backlash 99, and what really annoys me is that unless Austin was in a match, or it was a Hardcore match the fans started booing. It really pisses me off watching a great macth like Ken Shamrock/Undertaker at Backlash 99, sure it wasn't a hardcore brawl, it was a technical fight between a very submission based wrestler and a (at the time) methodical striker, it's a very back and forth match, Shamrock is amazing in it, yet the fans are screaming boring.
The same goes for Bossman/Mideon at SVDM, Bossman/Road Dogg RR99, Shamrock/Mankind JD98, Shamrock/Gunn RR99, Gangrel/X Pac RR99 and more
However it sorta die down after Backlash, it's still annoying that these great matches are happening, but if there ain't blood, or finger fliping, the fans weren't really interested, who else agress that in this time the fans were wantinga little too much hardcore brawling and less wrestling?
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 1, 2011 15:26:26 GMT -5
It's because RAW at the time was filled with matches that at 5 minutes were considered "long". That said the majority of the matches you listed though were boring.
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 1, 2011 15:58:14 GMT -5
Its the reason the Attitude Era/Monday Night War Era is such a joke. The majority of the fans then are either a)Not fans anymore or b) werent fans before. Most of your rock n wrestling fans stuck through the New Generation crap and were still strong in the Attitude era.
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Post by Flava Dave on Jan 1, 2011 16:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by gordon on Jan 1, 2011 16:50:25 GMT -5
My face when you think Big Boss Man was a good wrestler Big Boss Man is good. Not technically or anything, but for a bigger guy he was talented. |
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Post by Raine on Jan 1, 2011 17:05:05 GMT -5
The Undertaker/Shamrock match didn't go down to well due to a clash in styles, probably would work better now due to to Undi switching to a MMA fighting style
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Post by slugger123 on Jan 1, 2011 17:48:29 GMT -5
I started watching wrestling during the attitude era right around this time too, I was 5 in 98 but didn't find matches boring. I understood wrestling more than any other kid there was. And I still watch to this day.
Although I don't necessarily miss the Attitude era as a whole, I miss a few aspects of it. I miss the edginess and the occasional violence (blood and weapons). They kept this around until they went all PG.
Another thing I like about the Attitude era was the number of titles. They had the European, Lightweight, Hardcore, Tag Team, Intercontinental, Woman's, and WWF title. Now there's a Tag Title, 2 separate woman's titles, 2 world titles, and 2 mid card titles. (same number of titles, but with the brands separated there's 3 per show.
I also really enjoyed no brands and having Smackdown actually be on par with Raw. Separate brands gets boring when you have the same top 4 guys going for the title on each show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 18:37:10 GMT -5
I am going to use this example, whenever I watch old school NJPW wrestling matches I think to my self "wow this would never be over in America". Reason why? Because most fans love to watch fast matches, no one has a feel for technical aspects of wrestling anymore. Unless pulled right a 60 minute iron man match would be boring to most. Since WWE now is kids who want to see big cool moves they don't care about technical matches. No one cares if its a submission expert going against a ground and pound tough guy. It's all about the big names. It's all about the big moves, spots have to be perfect and cool to make the fans jumpy. Thats why midcarders like Carlito or Masters currently won't make it to the top, it's because they aren't super exciting. They can't pull off top rope RKOs and keep the fans exciting? See what I mean? I love technical matches but you have to be into the match, and if you are just a new dude who has no idea what wrestlers are doing it's going to be boring...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2011 18:47:27 GMT -5
I am going to use this example, whenever I watch old school NJPW wrestling matches I think to my self "wow this would never be over in America". Reason why? Because most fans love to watch fast matches, no one has a feel for technical aspects of wrestling anymore. Unless pulled right a 60 minute iron man match would be boring to most. Since WWE now is kids who want to see big cool moves they don't care about technical matches. No one cares if its a submission expert going against a ground and pound tough guy. It's all about the big names. It's all about the big moves, spots have to be perfect and cool to make the fans jumpy. Thats why midcarders like Carlito or Masters currently won't make it to the top, it's because they aren't super exciting. They can't pull off top rope RKOs and keep the fans exciting? See what I mean? I love technical matches but you have to be into the match, and if you are just a new dude who has no idea what wrestlers are doing it's going to be boring... But Masters isn't really much of a technical wrestler, from anything I've ever seen from him. Carlito, though, I would imagine has the ability, WWE has just never used him to his potential. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 1:52:20 GMT -5
It's the very essence of 'sports entertainment', provided by the WWE. The matches you spoke of at that time are products from the brains behind the 'car-crash' booking style that epitomised the era (Russo, McMahon) where the matches were almost secondary to the 'anything can happen' attitude of this time, of which fans lapped up over the actual wrestling content itself.
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Post by k5 on Jan 2, 2011 12:14:53 GMT -5
that was just the style of the attitude era, so the fans were conditioned to it. they wanted everything right then, in your face, biggest thing ever. when it wasn't that...well...didn't work out well.
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Post by DTP. on Jan 2, 2011 14:17:28 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the majority of the roster in 1998/1999 is either green, not over or untalented.
Also, the pace of wrestling was EXTREMELY fast paced back here, so they weren't so pleased with fifteen minute matches involving Gangrel and The Godfather. The fans have extremely short attention spans here for some reason, and the hardcore nature/inclusion of weapons to the product made the fans more interested in that aspect of the product.
The reason Austin and Rock were so over, and the crowd are interested THROUGHOUT their matches is because they are allowed to do some storytelling, and their matches would go over the top with booking (run-ins, weapons, cheating, brawling).
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Post by bountyhunterblood5 on Jan 6, 2011 14:06:55 GMT -5
The late 90's produced alot of great wwe moments.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 19:13:00 GMT -5
the crowd was also stone dead for Jericho vs Angle vs Benoit at WM2000 as well.
I was dissapointed with that reaction
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Post by cyantist on Jan 7, 2011 19:18:31 GMT -5
The fans back then were the biggest idiots ever. Both on WWF and Nitro. Nitro was probably the worst though. Always throwing crap about and there seemed to be a fan jumping the barrier every month.
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