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Post by Gazza on Jan 9, 2011 23:15:50 GMT -5
I'm so glad you don't write for any wrestling company... That's a god awful idea. I do write and have been hired to write for a new company starting up this year too. Because of ideas like that. Anderson deserves to have a legit triumphant, conquering victory. Not a fly by night, off the cuff win. Tell me why you dont like this idea. Because it'd be god awful and stupid. It was clear that it was the title match, and going back on it now would be stupid. If they need to go extreme measures like that to get Jeff over has a heel, then he shouldn't be a heel.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jan 9, 2011 23:16:16 GMT -5
Thanks SG & Best In The World
Wow....can't believe I missed it
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 9, 2011 23:16:56 GMT -5
Everyone is saying this makes Hardy look weak, but when has he been booked, ever, as a strong champion. He's been more of a champion who cheats and never really gets over clean, and only after 3/4 Twists of Hates does he ever win.
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Post by Rob Furious on Jan 9, 2011 23:17:08 GMT -5
replace every time that girl says "Justin Beiber" with "Mr. Anderson" and that's me right now. Also, just checked Twitter, TNA Genesis & Matt Hardy are off the trending list... Tyler Reks is still on it.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:17:36 GMT -5
I wish it would have been the way CM said. Would have gotten a ton of heat on Bischoff and maybe Hardy. If you are saying that taking all those finishing moves doesn't mean anything because they are just moves, why then didn't Hardy kick out of Anderson's finishing move? What about Anderson wanting the belt, so he was wrong, wouldn't Hardy want to keep the belt, so he would be strong as well? It still can be. In fact, its more effective if they go into Impact this way anyway. Allow for this to take place on TV. Makes the Anderson title reign seem more real and people begin to get used to it and savor the moment.
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Post by slappy on Jan 9, 2011 23:17:36 GMT -5
Oh and all the dirt sheets are now reporting that Hardy will face no jail time and that his plea agreement will be probation, community work and a fine. Right and then left. Up and then down. Oh the dirt sheets. They have confirmed every possible outcome, outside that Hardy will be put to death. He may or may not be put to death. I have a pretty reliable source that tells me that.
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Post by Rob Furious on Jan 9, 2011 23:19:13 GMT -5
Dave Meltzer?
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 9, 2011 23:19:40 GMT -5
Not a problem TNAFan. ---- Honestly, nobody really looks weak in the situation. Hardy was the over confident heel in the situation that thought he would come out, pick up the scraps, but the heart of Anderson wouldn't give up. It's no different than any other babyface in the history of the business that is beaten, bloody, and almost crippled in a match yet pulls off the win. I love how everyone keeps saying "one mic check and Anderson wins". What were you watching? Anderson had more offense than you people are given credit for. He didn't "superman" Hardy 20 minutes into a beat-down, more happened than that. - Morgan hit a discus clothesline on Hardy. - Anderson hit a rolling firemans carry. - The multiple punches back and forth. It was more than Hardy hitting 20 moves and Anderson winning with one... Hardy got over confident and it cost him, how does that make him look weak? It doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:19:53 GMT -5
Meltzer is now reporting that Jeff Hardy may or may not be getting the electric chair, for his charges.
- Triple S
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:20:43 GMT -5
Again, the people who think that Hardy looked weak, are comparing the way WWE does things to the way TNA does. TNA does ring psychology much better... people can kick out of finishers, there's so "super-human" power moves that somehow get beat somebody straight away, that's not realistic. People have been kicking out of finishers in TNA forever, it's one of the things that makes matches unpredictable and exciting.
How many people thought Anderson was done after the second Twist of Fate? Exactly. And I bet people were surprised that Anderson won with one mic check too, I know I was. At the end of the day, people are going to say "Man, Anderson is tough, he kicked out of THREE finishing moves and never gave up!", not "Wow, Jeff Hardy looked weak there." Only WWE smarks will think that. TNA made a star tonight, and him kicking out of three finishers and never giving up will no doubt gain the crowd's respect. Anderson will become THE face of TNA, and I actually think he's gonna be the one to put them on the map.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:22:14 GMT -5
I do write and have been hired to write for a new company starting up this year too. Because of ideas like that. Anderson deserves to have a legit triumphant, conquering victory. Not a fly by night, off the cuff win. Tell me why you dont like this idea. Because it'd be god awful and stupid. It was clear that it was the title match, and going back on it now would be stupid. If they need to go extreme measures like that to get Jeff over has a heel, then he shouldn't be a heel. Its stupid? C'mon man. If you want to shoot my idea down, tell me why its stupid. Tell me why it doesnt work. Otherwise, makes you sound like a silly Anderson mark who doesnt want his "guy" to lose the belt. How was it clear it was a title match? B/c everyone assumed it was. This is pro wrestling......hard left turns happen all the time and its what makes the show compelling. As far as going to extreme measures to get Hardy over as a heel....its exactly what they are trying. In NY and CT, reports came in from the house shows and Hardy was still getting most of the cheers in those matches against Morgan and against Morgan and Anderson. He's supposed to be getting booed, especially from a smart mark crowd like NY. But I do agree with you.....if by now you cant get him over as a heel, he shouldnt be one. Everyone is saying this makes Hardy look weak, but when has he been booked, ever, as a strong champion. He's been more of a champion who cheats and never really gets over clean, and only after 3/4 Twists of Hates does he ever win. The multiple Twists were being done for Morgan to get Morgan over as a strong giant babyface. Makes no sense for Anderson. I mean I am fine with 2 Twists and Anderson kicks out and keeps fighting. But after the Swanton, that should have been it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:22:16 GMT -5
Honestly, nobody really looks weak in the situation. Hardy was the over confident heel in the situation that thought he would come out, pick up the scraps, but the heart of Anderson wouldn't give up. It's no different than any other babyface in the history of the business that is beaten, bloody, and almost crippled in a match yet pulls off the win. No, it is different. It's something that WWE would book for Cena. Which is why tons of wrestling fans can't stand him. Hardy didn't come in over confident and play it off like it would be easy. Hardy continually was hitting Anderson with moves, 3 in which are finishers... and Anderson kicked out of all of them. It made Hardy look weak, there is NO denying that. - Triple S
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:24:04 GMT -5
Again, the people who think that Hardy looked weak, are comparing the way WWE does things to the way TNA does. TNA does ring psychology much better... people can kick out of finishers, there's so "super-human" power moves that somehow get beat somebody straight away, that's not realistic. People have been kicking out of finishers in TNA forever, it's one of the things that makes matches unpredictable and exciting. How many people thought Anderson was done after the second Twist of Fate? Exactly. And I bet people were surprised that Anderson won with one mic check too, I know I was. At the end of the day, people are going to say "Man, Anderson is tough, he kicked out of THREE finishing moves and never gave up!", not "Wow, Jeff Hardy looked weak there." Only WWE smarks will think that. TNA made a star tonight, and him kicking out of three finishers and never giving up will no doubt gain the crowd's respect. Anderson will become THE face of TNA, and I actually think he's gonna be the one to put them on the map. Why do you keep mentioning this? This has nothing to do with WWE. It has to do with basic match booking. Its not a WWE thing. Its a pro wrestling thing.
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Post by Gazza on Jan 9, 2011 23:24:30 GMT -5
Lmao. I don't like your idea so that makes me a Anderson mark? I just think your idea is stupid. No matter who it was for it's stupid. I'm an Anderson fan and I'm glad he won the title, but far from an Anderson mark considering I rarely watch TNA.
Plus, If anyone is looking like a mark its you. Because you idea is just so your "guy" doesn't lose his title.. Ironic huh?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:24:57 GMT -5
Honestly, nobody really looks weak in the situation. Hardy was the over confident heel in the situation that thought he would come out, pick up the scraps, but the heart of Anderson wouldn't give up. It's no different than any other babyface in the history of the business that is beaten, bloody, and almost crippled in a match yet pulls off the win. No, it is different. It's something that WWE would book for Cena. Which is why tons of wrestling fans can't stand him. Hardy didn't come in over confident and play it off like it would be easy. Hardy continually was hitting Anderson with moves, 3 in which are finishers... and Anderson kicked out of all of them. It made Hardy look weak, there is NO denying that. - Triple S And Triple S and I hardly EVER agree about stuff. But we are on this one. The comparison to Cena is dead on.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:25:58 GMT -5
Lmao. I don't like your idea so that makes me a Anderson mark? I just think your idea is stupid. No matter who it was for it's stupid. I'm an Anderson fan and I'm glad he won the title, but far from an Anderson mark considering I rarely watch TNA. Its stupid. Its stupid. I cant tell you why its stupid. But its stupid. Forget it. I dont care what your reason was. Thought I could have a discussion with you. Clearly I cannot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:26:13 GMT -5
N-Gage: Are you seriously ignoring what people are saying about the finishers? Nobody is saying one finisher and that should be it. What the problem is, was the constant beat down of Anderson (after already being beaten down and tired), Hardy hitting 3 of his finishers and Anderson kicking out of all 3. Ontop of that, Anderson hits 1 finisher on Hardy and Hardy is out for the count.
... IT. MADE. HARDY. LOOK. WEAK... simple as that.
- Triple S
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:26:32 GMT -5
Honestly, nobody really looks weak in the situation. Hardy was the over confident heel in the situation that thought he would come out, pick up the scraps, but the heart of Anderson wouldn't give up. It's no different than any other babyface in the history of the business that is beaten, bloody, and almost crippled in a match yet pulls off the win. No, it is different. It's something that WWE would book for Cena. Which is why tons of wrestling fans can't stand him. Hardy didn't come in over confident and play it off like it would be easy. Hardy continually was hitting Anderson with moves, 3 in which are finishers... and Anderson kicked out of all of them. It made Hardy look weak, there is NO denying that. - Triple S Yes there is denying it, lol. In TNA, the Twist of Fate is "just a move Jeff Hardy does alot.", it's not some secret weapon that will automatically win him the match, like it was in WWE. Infact, if people kicked out of the Attitude Adjustment in WWE more, I probably wouldn't have as much of a problem with John Cena. But considering he just busts it out of nowhere and gets the three, THATS what annoys me. Matt Morgan kicked out of the Mic Check tonight...
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jan 9, 2011 23:26:43 GMT -5
Or, we could go with the best idea, and keep the belt on Anderson, trash the merman belt, keep Hardy far far away from the World Heavyweight Championship, and let the Hardys and Team 3D eventually feud.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 9, 2011 23:27:32 GMT -5
Honestly, nobody really looks weak in the situation. Hardy was the over confident heel in the situation that thought he would come out, pick up the scraps, but the heart of Anderson wouldn't give up. It's no different than any other babyface in the history of the business that is beaten, bloody, and almost crippled in a match yet pulls off the win. No, it is different. It's something that WWE would book for Cena. Which is why tons of wrestling fans can't stand him. Hardy didn't come in over confident and play it off like it would be easy. Hardy continually was hitting Anderson with moves, 3 in which are finishers... and Anderson kicked out of all of them. It made Hardy look weak, there is NO denying that. - Triple S He didn't come in over confident? I'm sorry, we must have been getting two different versions of the pay-per-view. Hardy came out in street clothes, smoking a cigarette, and Tenay/Taz stated multiple times that Hardy wasn't taking Anderson seriously. Hardy didn't start taking it seriously with his finishers multiple times (second twist of hate and swanton) until Anderson wouldn't die. It's very simple to understand... it's the simplest story that TNA has ever told: Anderson will do anything to be the world heavyweight champion, he stated that multiple times during iMPACT/ReAction over the past few months. I don't remember people crying at No Surrender when Hardy and Angle were nailing finishers left and right including one to the arena floor and Hardy still lost the match. I'm just saying! It's no different than when Pope beat Anderson back at Against All Odds 2009 despite a beatdown by the band backstage. Anderson didn't look weak then... neither did Hardy or Angle. Nobody looked weak as the story is told.
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