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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:29:09 GMT -5
No, it is different. It's something that WWE would book for Cena. Which is why tons of wrestling fans can't stand him. Hardy didn't come in over confident and play it off like it would be easy. Hardy continually was hitting Anderson with moves, 3 in which are finishers... and Anderson kicked out of all of them. It made Hardy look weak, there is NO denying that. - Triple S Yes there is denying it, lol. In TNA, the Twist of Fate is "just a move Jeff Hardy does alot.", it's not some secret weapon that will automatically win him the match, like it was in WWE. Infact, if people kicked out of the Attitude Adjustment in WWE more, I probably wouldn't have as much of a problem with John Cena. But considering he just busts it out of nowhere and gets the three, THATS what annoys me. Matt Morgan kicked out of the Mic Check tonight... Actually its the opposite. When Jeff did the Twist of Fate in WWE it was just a setup to the Swanton. In TNA, he has used it as a finisher. Matt used it as a finisher in WWE.
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Post by Gazza on Jan 9, 2011 23:29:30 GMT -5
Lmao. I don't like your idea so that makes me a Anderson mark? I just think your idea is stupid. No matter who it was for it's stupid. I'm an Anderson fan and I'm glad he won the title, but far from an Anderson mark considering I rarely watch TNA. Its stupid. Its stupid. I cant tell you why its stupid. But its stupid. ![::)](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/rolleyes.gif) Forget it. I dont care what your reason was. Thought I could have a discussion with you. Clearly I cannot. ![::)](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/rolleyes.gif) To be fair, I don't need to go much further than to say it's stupid. For one reason is what I said about going to extreme measures to get Hardy over as a heel. Like we agreed, if you have to go so far to get him heat, then maybe it's time to drop the idea. Plus, the way it stand, it's good because Jeff is this cocky "heel" who came out expecting an easy win, and got proved otherwise. They can build on this and have a decent feud of Anderson/Jeff from this point instead of switching it back. I also see Jeff getting the title back soon enough anyway for them not to do your idea.
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Post by noir on Jan 9, 2011 23:29:34 GMT -5
Yeah I'm going to agree with those saying the ending was perfectly credible. Jeff Hardy was in his suit, not expecting a match all night. When he is put in a match, it's against someone who's just had a big bout with one of the largest guys in the company. In fact, Hardy's so damn confident that he doesn't bother taking off his tie and lights up a cig on the way to the ring. He's a heel (and he's been portrayed as quite a cowardly one at that), he thinks he's going to go in there pull of a quick twist of fate, and retain. No doubts in his mind. They could have had him kick out of a few of Anderson's finishers (although he did kick out of that rolling Samoan drop thing. I remember it as the Green Bay Plunge ![:-[](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/embarassed.gif) ), but overall, I thought it was pretty believable given Jeff Hardy's persona lately. As for Anderson as the champion? I think the guy's somewhat bland in the ring, but I've always found him gold on the mic. Definitely a worthy champion. Would I have preferred Samoa Joe? Sure. But right now, Anderson seems very over with the crowd and has been in the middle of this whole feud. I think it makes a lot of sense and I'm happy for the guy! As I said, overall I found the PPV dire (even the MCMG/BM match wasn't up to standards) but I thought the ending was very well played out. Very exciting.
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Post by King Silva on Jan 9, 2011 23:29:43 GMT -5
Kinda surprised Mr. Kennedy won the belt but good for him. Jeff will probably win it back soon enough though. Just have to say that Matt's hair is ugly! WTF I guess he let people decide. ![:-X](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/lipsrsealed.gif)
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jan 9, 2011 23:30:24 GMT -5
Its probably just me, but doesn't this have a similar feel to ECW Barely Legal 97 in the end?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:31:38 GMT -5
Its probably just me, but doesn't this have a similar feel to ECW Barely Legal 97 in the end? Only a tiny, tiny bit.
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Post by jfinnomore on Jan 9, 2011 23:32:11 GMT -5
MATCH OF THE YEAR!? Are you kidding me? Hardy beating down Anderson, while Anderson hits one move is FAR from a Match of the Year candidate, let alone a win. Match of the Night: Beer Money vs. Motor City Machineguns Moment of the Night: "C'mon Raven!" Was the Anderson/Hardy "match" exciting? Yes. Did it do it's purpose of getting the title off of Hardy for the time being? Yes. However, it made Hardy look weak in that 3 of his finishers couldn't beat an already beaten down and tired Anderson. Yet one of Anderson's finishers laid Hardy out. Not to mention the ending to Anderson/Morgan was BS and made Morgan look weak. Here he is, beating the crap out of Anderson and he loses to a small package? They hyped that match up to be so big and so important and it ended with a small package. Imagine there was no Hardy/Anderson match and the Main Event of the night ended that way... fans would've been pissed. - Triple S It didn't make Hardy look weak... it made Anderson look STRONG. I think your mind is too infected by the WWE to realise that people can kick out of finishing moves... cause afterall they're only moves. No different to standard moves and shouldn't have this sudden "ultimate power" behind them. And people rat on this company for being unrealistic? Yeah whatever. people kick out of finishers all the time in WWE. . .
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jan 9, 2011 23:33:13 GMT -5
Its probably just me, but doesn't this have a similar feel to ECW Barely Legal 97 in the end? Only a tiny, tiny bit. Thank you. Thought I was the only one.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 9, 2011 23:33:18 GMT -5
We might as well accept the fact that we're not ever going to agree on this matter, so let's just move on because it's just going to end up in a huge fight that isn't needed.
I don't think it made Hardy look weak. You think it made Hardy look weak.
I'm not going to change your mind. You're not going to change my mind.
It's just going to end up in a huge fight that isn't needed.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:34:01 GMT -5
No, it is different. It's something that WWE would book for Cena. Which is why tons of wrestling fans can't stand him. Hardy didn't come in over confident and play it off like it would be easy. Hardy continually was hitting Anderson with moves, 3 in which are finishers... and Anderson kicked out of all of them. It made Hardy look weak, there is NO denying that. - Triple S He didn't come in over confident? I'm sorry, we must have been getting two different versions of the pay-per-view. Hardy came out in street clothes, smoking a cigarette, and Tenay/Taz stated multiple times that Hardy wasn't taking Anderson seriously. Hardy didn't start taking it seriously with his finishers multiple times (second twist of hate and swanton) until Anderson wouldn't die. It's very simple to understand... it's the simplest story that TNA has ever told: Anderson will do anything to be the world heavyweight champion, he stated that multiple times during iMPACT/ReAction over the past few months. I don't remember people crying at No Surrender when Hardy and Angle were nailing finishers left and right including one to the arena floor and Hardy still lost the match. I'm just saying! It's no different than when Pope beat Anderson back at Against All Odds 2009 despite a beatdown by the band backstage. Anderson didn't look weak then... neither did Hardy or Angle. Nobody looked weak as the story is told. of couse he came in over confident. But still doesnt take away the fact that he hit 2 twists and 1 swanton on a guy who had just been beaten up by Matt Morgan and is suffering from symptoms of a concussion. Then 1 Mic. Check and Hardy is beat. To say Hardy didnt know about this match. I'm sure within the story, this was Bischoff's plan. Whoever wins, Hardy comes down to pick the bones. So Hardy knew, while Anderson/Morgan did not. Anderson doing whatever....I get it. Lets build that into a match. A REAL match. Get the heat on Hardy so the title change means more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:34:38 GMT -5
It didn't make Hardy look weak... it made Anderson look STRONG. I think your mind is too infected by the WWE to realise that people can kick out of finishing moves... cause afterall they're only moves. No different to standard moves and shouldn't have this sudden "ultimate power" behind them. And people rat on this company for being unrealistic? Yeah whatever. people kick out of finishers all the time in WWE. . . No, they don't... Wrestlemania is pretty much the only time somebody kicks out of a finisher in WWE.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jan 9, 2011 23:34:43 GMT -5
I'd imagine if anything made Hardy look week, its not wrestling in like a month, but I understand, wouldn't want him to get too "tired". Hell, if TNA is doing anything right, its this.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:35:32 GMT -5
We might as well accept the fact that we're not ever going to agree on this matter, so let's just move on because it's just going to end up in a huge fight that isn't needed. I don't think it made Hardy look weak. You think it made Hardy look weak. I'm not going to change your mind. You're not going to change my mind. It's just going to end up in a huge fight that isn't needed. Unfortunately, if we lived by that.....there really would be no need for a discussion board at all. ![:-/](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/undecided.gif) But I do agree, I dont think your mind is going to get changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:35:38 GMT -5
jfinamore is right, in that in big matches... each guys kicks out of the other's finishers all the time. Keywords: EACH GUY... not just one.
If I remember well SG, Hardy hit the first within seconds of being in the ring. Anderson kicked out, Hardy beat on him a little, then hit the second. Either way, the Swanton should have ended it, or at least another finisher/signature move from Anderson.
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Post by Gazza on Jan 9, 2011 23:35:52 GMT -5
To be fair, I think the title change means more now. Because Anderson over came the odds of having a match before, facing a fresh Jeff and kicking out of his finishers. It makes Anderson look strong and great, whilst winning the title.
I like the way they did it.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 9, 2011 23:37:15 GMT -5
He didn't come in over confident? I'm sorry, we must have been getting two different versions of the pay-per-view. Hardy came out in street clothes, smoking a cigarette, and Tenay/Taz stated multiple times that Hardy wasn't taking Anderson seriously. Hardy didn't start taking it seriously with his finishers multiple times (second twist of hate and swanton) until Anderson wouldn't die. It's very simple to understand... it's the simplest story that TNA has ever told: Anderson will do anything to be the world heavyweight champion, he stated that multiple times during iMPACT/ReAction over the past few months. I don't remember people crying at No Surrender when Hardy and Angle were nailing finishers left and right including one to the arena floor and Hardy still lost the match. I'm just saying! It's no different than when Pope beat Anderson back at Against All Odds 2009 despite a beatdown by the band backstage. Anderson didn't look weak then... neither did Hardy or Angle. Nobody looked weak as the story is told. of couse he came in over confident. But still doesnt take away the fact that he hit 2 twists and 1 swanton on a guy who had just been beaten up by Matt Morgan and is suffering from symptoms of a concussion. Then 1 Mic. Check and Hardy is beat. To say Hardy didnt know about this match. I'm sure within the story, this was Bischoff's plan. Whoever wins, Hardy comes down to pick the bones. So Hardy knew, while Anderson/Morgan did not. Anderson doing whatever....I get it. Lets build that into a match. A REAL match. Get the heat on Hardy so the title change means more. The thing is... as been told over the past few weeks: Who is to say Anderson isn't working everyone with his concussion? Yes, he sold it in the match like he was having problems but Tenay and Morgan both have questioned wether he's working everyone which it seemed like he was with the ending to the match (against Morgan). Let's just drop it, you're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. I don't need a higher warning level.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 9, 2011 23:38:37 GMT -5
jfinamore is right, in that in big matches... each guys kicks out of the other's finishers all the time. Keywords: EACH GUY... not just one. If I remember well SG, Hardy hit the first within seconds of being in the ring. Anderson kicked out, Hardy beat on him a little, then hit the second. Either way, the Swanton should have ended it, or at least another finisher/signature move from Anderson. - Triple S Anderson did hit another signature move, he hit the rolling firemans carry which is one of his signatures in TNA. He's used it a lot more in matches than any other move besides the mic check. He also nailed a swinging neck breaker which affects Hardy's head and neck... kind of like being slammed on the mat face first. Three big moves right there, Hardy got in three big moves.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:38:43 GMT -5
Anderson over came the odds of having a match before, facing a fresh Jeff and kicking out of his finishers. It makes Anderson look strong and great, whilst winning the title. EXACTLY! Anderson looks super strong and super great. Hardy looks piss poor weak and there was little build for Anderson.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:39:56 GMT -5
There shouldn't be any fighting in here. As of now, it's a strong discussion/debate. There hasn't been any name calling, profanity, etc. It's just two side debating their sides.
... you won't get a warning bar, as long as it stays this way.
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