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Post by King Silva on Jan 13, 2011 2:56:14 GMT -5
If this is not allowed then sorry it can be deleted or locked I just thought it would cause a lot of discussion on discipline. www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/local/110107-man-beats-nephew-posts-beating-on-facebook^ Link has the video discussing the video; it doesn't have bad language but it does show some of the whipping..HOUSTON - Is it real? Real or not, it's gone viral. The video shows an uncle taking the belt to his nephew. It was in response to the nephew's gangster like postings on Facebook. The uncle filmed the punishment and had the nephew post it back on Facebook. It can now be found on a number of other websites. The overwhelming majority of comments about the video applaud what the uncle did. They commended his tough actions in a tough situation. We showed the video to Judy Blankenship. "I think the uncle has a point. If he doesn't want his nephew to be in a gang then maybe that helped him to prove his point that we are good people and that you don't need to be in a gang to be somebody." Blankenship admitted the video was difficult to watch, but she fears other kids may be doing the same thing: posting online without understanding just how harmful it could be. Mike Uwagbai didn't watch the video for long before he declared it "out of line". "I mean discipline your nephew. It doesn't have to be in that type of manner and it definitely doesn't have to be in public use,” Uwagbai said. “If anything, it should be off camera. If you're going to discipline your nephew or your child in that type of way but to put it on Facebook and to put it on the internet is out of line." When asked what he thinks the uncle should have done, Uwagbai replied, "I'd go about it like maybe take his stuff away. I think that’s the best type of discipline." "The right thing to do is the whooping but to put it on Facebook? That's the wrong thing," says Nathaniel Carrier. "Everybody can see it now. He's going to be hurt. He's going to have to live with that." What do you think? Applaud or appalled?
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Post by wweuniverse47871 on Jan 13, 2011 3:40:39 GMT -5
Thats out of line... His nephew looks like his in his late teens, early 20's. I don't know how old he is, but he's bigger then his uncle and if I was the nephew I would've retaliated. I would've punched him square in the face... It's not even his kid, their related but that gives him no right to do that. Posting it on facebook probably made it worse. If he is under 16 he will go into foster care probably, thats child abuse and making him post it on facebook, means he could have threatened him if he didn't. Which means he can threaten him on more things. Thats out of line and putting it on facebook makes the uncle look like a tri hard.
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Post by King Silva on Jan 13, 2011 3:46:20 GMT -5
^ I agree.
It should have not really happened at all but if he did do it putting it on Facebook is just sad!
He could get in trouble but like you said looks like the kid is older.
He could have been the kid's father figure too but it doesn't really reveal his situation at home so who knows..?
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jan 13, 2011 4:13:17 GMT -5
Thats out of line... His nephew looks like his in his late teens, early 20's. I don't know how old he is, but he's bigger then his uncle and if I was the nephew I would've retaliated. I would've punched him square in the face... It's not even his kid, their related but that gives him no right to do that. Posting it on facebook probably made it worse. If he is under 16 he will go into foster care probably, thats child abuse and making him post it on facebook, means he could have threatened him if he didn't. Which means he can threaten him on more things. Thats out of line and putting it on facebook makes the uncle look like a tri hard. For all we know, his Uncle is his legal guardian and puts a roof over his head. That said, if the kid retaliated, then the next step from a strict authority like that is putting him on the street. And if he lives in any kind of ghetto, then we would REALLY see who the real gangsters are. At first, I would say that posting the video was out of line, but you gotta think: he did it to prove a point. There was a method to the madness. Maybe he should have given a warning before going through with the act (for all we know, he did), but I think the Uncle got his message across; and he means well obviously. People will move on, he'll still probably have friends, but they'll know he's not a gangster. Mission accomplished.
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Post by wweuniverse47871 on Jan 13, 2011 5:04:28 GMT -5
^^^ Your supporting the uncle? Thats outrageous.. If it was me and even if he was my guardian I still would have thrown some punches at him. If the kicked me out I'd stay at a mates, I'm sure he could do the same. But whipping someone with a belt several times is unacceptable. Parents/Guardians can only hit kids with their hands not belts or anything. Thats against the law. They both looked like mature people and the way they went about it was stupid. Whipping a person is unacceptable. They should've talked about it and if he continued doing it there would be a consequence. Not just whip, and seriously for post "Gangster" like status's on facebook... Stupid reason. I don't have any family members on facebook incase I could offend them with something I say.
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Post by 1992 on Jan 13, 2011 5:16:22 GMT -5
Does anyone know what he was posting?
Who's to say he wasn't going around, running his mouth about hurting/attacking/shooting someone else, and put he AND his uncle in danger? Kids join gangs and call themselves "gangsters" these days are low-life pieces of sub-human garbage. My sister supposedly has a hit put on her along with police officer by a local gang. Know why? Her neighbor, who was in this gang) was doing hard drugs one morning, hallucinated, attacked his elderly father on the front yard with a butcher knife. She called the cops, they arrived, he turned to knife on them, so they killed him. Now, they're both at risk of being shot at any given moment. Them or their families.
If my kid was on Facebook, pretending to act like a piece of street trash, when I in fact know he's not, I would have dealt with it too. Maybe not THAT radically, but dealt with it none-the-less.
Belt to the ass > Bullet to the brain
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jan 13, 2011 5:20:14 GMT -5
^^^ Your supporting the uncle? Thats outrageous.. If it was me and even if he was my guardian I still would have thrown some punches at him. If the kicked me out I'd stay at a mates, I'm sure he could do the same. But whipping someone with a belt several times is unacceptable. Parents/Guardians can only hit kids with their hands not belts or anything. Thats against the law. They both looked like mature people and the way they went about it was stupid. Whipping a person is unacceptable. They should've talked about it and if he continued doing it there would be a consequence. Not just whip, and seriously for post "Gangster" like status's on facebook... Stupid reason. I don't have any family members on facebook incase I could offend them with something I say. The whipping was barely anything. he was wearing baggy pants, he most likley felt next to no pain. Humiliation is where the real damage was dealt. Also, you cant spank a teenager with your hands. Thats intellectually- disabled. And again, you dont know their living situation - he could live in a place where people have a hard enough time raising their own kids let alone take in a friend. "for posting "Gangster" like status's on facebook... Stupid Reason" - Not one bit. If he's from a bad neighborhood, having your hat turned the wrong direction can get you killed. It's dumb, but it's the reality some people live in. Now live in that same neighborhood, and make stupid gangster statuses, the Kid could have been literally typing his life away, and the Uncle stepped in before a life was lost. It looks to me like you dont have enough experience in knowing their lifestyles to have a sensible opinion. You're sounding extremely white, to put it plainly. Belt to the ass > Bullet to the brain Quoted for the ing truth.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 13, 2011 5:24:47 GMT -5
I'm sure that he was "doing the right thing" in his mind and I'm sure it taught his nephew a valuable lesson... But this guy should probably be placed in jail for his actions.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jan 13, 2011 5:31:42 GMT -5
I'm sure that he was "doing the right thing" in his mind and I'm sure it taught his nephew a valuable lesson... But this guy should probably be placed in jail for his actions. Yeah, and give the kid the idea that he wasnt wrong? If his Uncle was the only one to step in, and now he gets put in jail, this kid is free to continue pretending to be a hardass, then bam he gets killed. Then what? An innocent life is lost all because the Law put away the only man who cared enough about his nephew to do something about it.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 13, 2011 5:34:44 GMT -5
Yeah, and give the kid the idea that he wasnt wrong? If his Uncle was the only one to step in, and now he gets put in jail, this kid is free to continue pretending to be a hardass, then bam he gets killed. Then what? An innocent life is lost all because the Law put away the only man who cared enough about his nephew to do something about it. So beating him is going to stop him from killing someone? Really? Come on man, hasn't history shown you anything? The bottom line is that there are better ways to discipline youth and certainly ones that do not glamorize violence.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jan 13, 2011 5:42:12 GMT -5
Yeah, and give the kid the idea that he wasnt wrong? If his Uncle was the only one to step in, and now he gets put in jail, this kid is free to continue pretending to be a hardass, then bam he gets killed. Then what? An innocent life is lost all because the Law put away the only man who cared enough about his nephew to do something about it. So beating him is going to stop him from killing someone? Really? Come on man, hasn't history shown you anything? The bottom line is that there are better ways to discipline youth and certainly ones that do not glamorize violence. It's going to stop him from being killed. Not doing the killing. The uncle whipped him on camera and made him post it on facebook to prove that his nephew, who before acted like a gangster on facebook, is anything but a gangster. In turn, he loses the attention of any real gangsters who would gladly put a bullet in him, and can stop pretending to be something he's not. It's called tough love, and it can work. It may not be applauded, or appreciated, but it can work. Basically, the Uncle is the only real gangster here. He took no crap, and gave his nephew a taste of what of what gangster is all about. Other gangsters however, dont show any mercy. They wont give him a chance to change his ways. They'll use the kid instead as an example to others of what happens to you when you mess around with crap you know nothing about.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 13, 2011 5:48:13 GMT -5
It's going to stop him from being killed. Not doing the killing. The uncle whipped him on camera and made him post it on facebook to prove that his nephew, who before acted like a gangster on facebook, is anything but a gangster. In turn, he loses the attention of any real gangsters who would gladly put a bullet in him, and can stop pretending to be something he's not. It's called tough love, and it can work. It may not be applauded, or appreciated, but it can work. It can work, sure, and maybe it did. But it's still violence and should be punished on its own. Similarly, I believe that people should go to prison if they kill someone even if it is in response to a rape/murder/etc. of a friend or family member. If you're strong enough in your conviction that the world cannot deal with the person who committed the crime and that you are willing to do anything, then you should also be willing to serve your punishment for your own crime. Don't be a ing hypocrite, you know?
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Post by wweuniverse47871 on Jan 13, 2011 5:49:42 GMT -5
For all you know the kid might be so embarrased and upset about what his uncle did to him, that one night when his uncle is sleeping he might go in there and kill him. If you want to call it a hard lifestyle thats what would probably happen. I hope it doesn't happen but if the kid gets really upset and annoyed about it, it won't suprise me if it does happen.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jan 13, 2011 6:05:58 GMT -5
It can work, sure, and maybe it did. But it's still violence and should be punished on its own. Similarly, I believe that people should go to prison if they kill someone even if it is in response to a rape/murder/etc. of a friend or family member. If you're strong enough in your conviction that the world cannot deal with the person who committed the crime and that you are willing to do anything, then you should also be willing to serve your punishment for your own crime. Don't be a ing hypocrite, you know? Yeah, I understand the hypocrite thing. I got my opinions on that but thats a whole nother argument. And yet, a lot of things can be called violent. To me, it's just a matter of if the violence is justifiable. Shooting someone is violent. But if someone B&E's your house and comes at you with a gun, your legally allowed to blow them away. It's violent, but it's justified and you wont go to prison for it. I'm just saying that when you see what this uncle did, and look at the bigger picture of what purpose it was meant to serve, it's pretty justifiable IMO. You just have to have a pretty open mind to see it (no offense). For all you know the kid might be so embarrased and upset about what his uncle did to him, that one night when his uncle is sleeping he might go in there and kill him. If you want to call it a hard lifestyle thats what would probably happen. I hope it doesn't happen but if the kid gets really upset and annoyed about it, it won't suprise me if it does happen. If he does that, he'll be gangster for however long it takes between the time he commit's the murder, and the moment he's put in prison. Because after that, he will be shown what gangster is all about. Some will show it to him up the ass . What you described is the act of both a gangster and a intellectually- disabled dumbass (which are one in the same, really), so if he still believes his own hype, then hopefully he enjoys it while it lasts...
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Post by 1992 on Jan 13, 2011 6:06:22 GMT -5
This is more of a situation that get's waaaay to hypothetical.
"Oh if the uncle does nothing the kid could die."
"Oh he gets involved the kid kills him/himself/someone else."
Plus it just depends on customs, culture, lifestyle, etc.
Getting my ass whooped wasn't some surprising, tragic, heart-wrenching experience for me when I was younger. I knew exactly what it was for. It was humiliating and hurt, but at the end of the day I moved on and lived life.
Of course the hypothetical, "But everyone thinks differently."
This argument could go on and on and on, in a loop. Nobody is any less right or wrong than the other. And at the end of the day, the uncle is his guardian, he knows him better than us.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 13, 2011 6:22:58 GMT -5
Shooting someone is violent. But if someone B&E's your house and comes at you with a gun, your legally allowed to blow them away. It's violent, but it's justified and you wont go to prison for it. This is completely different as you are in eminent danger. Thus it being legal. I'm just saying that when you see what this uncle did, and look at the bigger picture of what purpose it was meant to serve, it's pretty justifiable IMO. You just have to have a pretty open mind to see it (no offense). Like I said in my post, it may be justified to some extent, but it is also illegal for quite a few different reasons.
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Post by cjskittles4 on Jan 13, 2011 6:28:42 GMT -5
Really? Those are bitch hits compared to what my mom and dad used to do to me when I was little. I remember when I was 9, I got caught with a picture of Stacy Kiebler in a thong at school and lied to my parents about it. They called the school, found out the real truth and BOTH of them pulled my pants down all the way and whooped my ass as I cried mercy. Maybe I should be more sympathetic, but I cant! I've seen my friends get whipped with a belt and it's happened to me plenty of times when I was WAY younger than that guy on the video. The only wrong thing I see about that is putting it on facebook, but even then me and some of my friends would probably laugh at that if we knew that guy. I'm just being honest...
Plus, do you see how big that kid is? I'm sure he didn't have to just stand there and take it...when you reach a certain age I'm sure there are points where you know something is getting ridiculous. If anything, that dad obviously sees that guy as nothing more than a little kid if he's still whipping on his ass like that.
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Post by wweuniverse47871 on Jan 13, 2011 7:17:37 GMT -5
I got whipped with a belt by dad several times and harder then that when I was less then 5. I grew up in a very voilent lifestyle until my mum left my dad. My sister got chased with an axe by my dad, He tried to kill my brother, he has strangled me several times. He is still not locked up and I still have to see him. I feel sorry for people even if it is a **** beating they get, I still feel sorry for them because I know how it feels and it's out of line. The most a parent should ever do is use their hand on their kid and not a belt...
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Jan 13, 2011 7:52:48 GMT -5
All of you guys are overreacting. I've gotten whippings worse than that for cutting up when I was a kid. This isn't complex at all Some parents spank their childred as a form of disciplin. My only gripe is that he put it on the internet. If that's what we're arguing here, then fine, I agree. But if we're arguing that parent's shoult spank/chastise their kids at all ina physical manner, then I'll have to disagree completely.
Btw, The Husky Harris whipping was harder to watch than that.
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Post by T R W on Jan 13, 2011 8:39:41 GMT -5
I have no problem with him spanking him with the belt. That was in no way, shape, or form abuse. That kid is still a teenager, not in his 20s. Should he have put it on youtube and facebook? No, probably not. Sometimes when a kid is on the brink, it takes tough love to alter their course. I applaud him for not letting the kid get caught up in "thug" culture.
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