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Post by Kliquid on Jan 15, 2011 8:34:04 GMT -5
Hey everyone, I recently wrote this article and I was hoping for some feedback. Your opinions are greatly appreciated. Brock Lesnar: Why He Will Be the Worst Coach in The Ultimate Fighter HistorySince its creation, The Ultimate Fighter series has been an important part of the UFC hype machine—and now it just got much bigger with the announcement that the sport’s biggest draw, Brock Lesnar, would be coaching against Junior Dos Santos in Season 13. Lesnar has been the UFC’s biggest cash cow since his first fight in The Octagon in February of 2008 at UFC 81. No matter his opponent, the events that Lesnar has headlined have been among the biggest buy-rates the sport of mixed martial arts has ever seen. So it should come as no surprise that the UFC is now turning to their leading man to help promote the next season of their hit reality television series. Particularly during down times in during the year, The Ultimate Fighter has historically done a great job of keeping fans interested while the company’s top fighters like Georges St. Pierre, BJ Penn, Quinton “Rampage” Jackson, Anderson Silva, and Brock Lesnar are in training for their next bout. But is Brock Lesnar in over his head as a coach for the show? I think so—and here’s why. (more...) |
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Post by sean™ on Jan 15, 2011 10:29:09 GMT -5
With all due respect, I didn't need your column to tell me that he's going to be a horrible coach.
Good read though, as you touched on pretty much everything I was thinking as well. I'll still watch, but I feel bad for those that are on his team as he really won't be able to give advise as a GSP or a BJ Penn would.
Although I'd be estatic to see someone call him out on being somewhat of a puss when it comes to getting punched.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jan 15, 2011 12:01:23 GMT -5
You are entitled to your own opinion as am I and all we can do is voice it and that's about as far as it goes. You can say he'll be a horrible coach all you want, but will he?? We will all just have to wait and find out. I ain't gonna read your little article because I don't care enough about it to go that far. It's like all you Lesnar haters will get on his case no matter what he does. He hasn't even started on TUF yet and already you are saying he'll be the worst coach ever...What kind of  ing crap is that?? Get off his ing back already and give the guy a break. |
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Post by sean™ on Jan 15, 2011 12:06:38 GMT -5
Leave it to Old School to not only get overly offended and butt hurt because someone is talking about his precious Brock, but go so far as to over react without even reading the ing article. You are completely ridiculous. |
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Post by s13driver on Jan 15, 2011 14:06:46 GMT -5
Alot of your arguments seem to revolve around the lack of experience that Brock has in MMA. But a big factor that you seem to be missing is that many of the TUF coaches have tons of help from their assistant coaches to help train the fighters. In all the seasons I've seen, the coaches are simply there for ratings and marketing value only, the assistant coaches are the ones that seem to be doing a majority of the training. The fact of the matter is that TUF is meant to attract more fans to the sport and get ratings and what better way to do it than throw in the UFCs biggest cash cow to date? While I don't think Brock will serve as the greatest coach that TUF has ever seen, I certainly don't think he'll be the worse.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jan 15, 2011 14:14:48 GMT -5
Every single TUF coach has had some kind of credential as to why they should be a coach. Do you honestly just see RATINGS in the previous coaches? Sure, some of them DO produce ratings, but they all have had major experience in training people and many MMA fights.
Randy Couture
Chuck Liddell
Matt Hughes
Rich Franklin
Tito Ortiz
Ken Shamrock
Jens Pulver
BJ Penn
Matt Serra
Quinton Jackson
Forrest Griffin
Frank Mir
Rodrigo Nogueira
Michael Bisping
Dan Henderson
Rashad Evans
Josh Koscheck
Georges St-Pierre
All these guys have shown success in MMA, skills in ALL AREAS of MMA and have had experience training others. Brock? Not so much.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 15, 2011 15:11:43 GMT -5
What's funny, Mr. Old School, is that Brock Lesnar is one of my favorite fighters.
You don't have to look past factual information to be a fan of a guy, though.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jan 15, 2011 18:16:36 GMT -5
He'll be bad, but he can't be worse than Shamrock was on TUF 3. He just wanted to punch out Tito & didn't seem to care much. By complete opposite, Tito was a fantastic coach on TUF 3
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Post by havers on Jan 15, 2011 20:09:13 GMT -5
lesnar will be champ again
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 15, 2011 23:57:47 GMT -5
Alot of your arguments seem to revolve around the lack of experience that Brock has in MMA. But a big factor that you seem to be missing is that many of the TUF coaches have tons of help from their assistant coaches to help train the fighters. In all the seasons I've seen, the coaches are simply there for ratings and marketing value only, the assistant coaches are the ones that seem to be doing a majority of the training. The fact of the matter is that TUF is meant to attract more fans to the sport and get ratings and what better way to do it than throw in the UFCs biggest cash cow to date? While I don't think Brock will serve as the greatest coach that TUF has ever seen, I certainly don't think he'll be the worse. This. And I think it's impossible to say what kind of a coach he'll be, without seeing it first - a lot will depend on his attitude and whether he forms bonds/friendships with any of his pupils. Look at Tito... he was a huge draw/"bad-guy" type - and turned out to be one of the best (if not, the best) coaches in the series history. Being a great coach is more than just teaching the guys what you know. I have a feeling Brock will do fine.  |
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Post by K5 on Jan 16, 2011 0:07:00 GMT -5
the coaching on tuf is more a marketing ploy than anything, so i'm sure he'll do fine.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 16, 2011 4:06:12 GMT -5
Alot of your arguments seem to revolve around the lack of experience that Brock has in MMA. But a big factor that you seem to be missing is that many of the TUF coaches have tons of help from their assistant coaches to help train the fighters. In all the seasons I've seen, the coaches are simply there for ratings and marketing value only, the assistant coaches are the ones that seem to be doing a majority of the training. The fact of the matter is that TUF is meant to attract more fans to the sport and get ratings and what better way to do it than throw in the UFCs biggest cash cow to date? While I don't think Brock will serve as the greatest coach that TUF has ever seen, I certainly don't think he'll be the worse. I get that he's going to have experienced coaches working with him, but what I'm saying is that he HIMSELF, is going to be the worst coach. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 16, 2011 4:06:32 GMT -5
the coaching on tuf is more a marketing ploy than anything, so i'm sure he'll do fine. It is, which is why it'll still be successful even if he sucks. |
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Post by Neos on Feb 1, 2011 0:12:38 GMT -5
I actually think Rampage or Kos was bad...especially Kos.
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Post by Neos on Feb 1, 2011 1:23:00 GMT -5
He'll be bad, but he can't be worse than Shamrock was on TUF 3. He just wanted to punch out Tito & didn't seem to care much. By complete opposite, Tito was a fantastic coach on TUF 3 i think Tito was just being a good coach to make Shamrock look bad. But dam, that sure worked. |
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Post by moogie101 on Feb 3, 2011 6:36:37 GMT -5
This is just fanboy BS.
So many people on here hating Brock it's laughable.
Is he the best Heavyweight in MMA? No.
But since his debut NO-ONE has fought a higher level of fighter than Brock. Not even close.
He was UFC champion something that more experienced & arguably better fighters haven't managed.
Yes he got destroyed by Cain, but so did Nog in even more devastating fashion yet its Brock getting the hate. Really the fact that Lesnar even wants to carry on fighting when a lot of fans though he was off to face Undertaker at Wrestlemania speaks volumes.
Plus he's coming back to face the No.2 guy in the division who is on a tear of destroying guys rather than some can to get an easy win.
As for him coaching will he really be any worse than Ken Shamrock? This was a guy used to training guys from back in the days when he was running the Lion's Den & yet he was terrible.
Brock knows how to train at an elite level & can pass that on to the TUFers, plus look at his assistant coaches
Erik Paulson, Greg Nelson, Rodrigo Medeiros, peter Welch, Marty Morgan & Luke Richardson.
I'd argue that is that strongest & most diverse group of assistant coaches ever on TUF.
I think with those guys backing him by the end of the series a lot of guys slating Brock will be eating their words.
Yes Brock on TUF is a marketing decision. but ever TUF coach has been picked due to marketing in some way. Either using an already established guy in this case bBock or trying to boost the profile of another, in this case JDS.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 3, 2011 10:20:12 GMT -5
Calm down now, moogie, ya here? Hahaha.
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Post by moogie101 on Feb 3, 2011 11:49:56 GMT -5
Calm down now, moogie, ya here? Hahaha. Sorry I may have got on my soapbox a bit there but been reading similar things on several mma sites & it's just a joke. More experienced guys like Shamrock & Rampage have been truly terrible coaches, clearly just on the show for their own profile rather than having any true interest in coaching & helping. Yeah he's inexperienced still in MMA but he can teach the contestants wrestling & training. For the rest of MMA he's got several very good & diverse assistant coaches. |
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 3, 2011 12:03:09 GMT -5
That's part of why I think Lesnar won't be good, though. I don't think he truly cares about anyone but himself... And also, he's inexperienced to begin with.
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