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Post by Adam235 on Feb 3, 2011 16:24:02 GMT -5
Damn that's a fight I want to see happen looks like it will. Hope GSP destroys Silva in that fight!  |
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 5, 2011 15:55:34 GMT -5
GSP > Silva.
GSP is the most intelligent fighter I have ever come across, and the two times he has lost in many peoples eyes was down to him not being mentally prepared for the fight. I think he could game plan and come up the better man against Anderson Silva. Anderson can be beaten, Chael Sonnen proved that and revealed some things about Silva which GSP could take advantage of.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 5, 2011 17:08:07 GMT -5
GSP > Silva. GSP is the most intelligent fighter I have ever come across, and the two times he has lost in many peoples eyes was down to him not being mentally prepared for the fight. I think he could game plan and come up the better man against Anderson Silva. Anderson can be beaten, Chael Sonnen proved that and revealed some things about Silva which GSP could take advantage of. Fedor = more intelligent |
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 5, 2011 17:42:05 GMT -5
GSP > Silva. GSP is the most intelligent fighter I have ever come across, and the two times he has lost in many peoples eyes was down to him not being mentally prepared for the fight. I think he could game plan and come up the better man against Anderson Silva. Anderson can be beaten, Chael Sonnen proved that and revealed some things about Silva which GSP could take advantage of. Fedor = more intelligent Never believed in the Fedor hype, never will unless I see him go up against some better competition. Don't get me wrong, there is no denying that he is a fantastic fighter, but he is over rated. |
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 6, 2011 7:31:54 GMT -5
To say Fedor (who beat Cro Cop) hasn't faced top competition is absolutely absurd.
The PRIDE Heavyweight division was blatantly WAY more stacked than the UFC Heavyweight division when he was champion there.
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 6, 2011 13:05:07 GMT -5
I'm to assume you mean Fedor? Who has beaten Cro Cop right?
I never followed PRIDE religiously but I have checked out his older fights and looked at his past opponents and I still don't rated Fedor, sign him up to the UFC, put him against some of there competition and see how he does.
He's opponent list doesn't seem that glamorous from my point of view, UFC's got the best heavyweights right now. To be quite honest I don't see him standing a chance against Cain or Carwin.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 6, 2011 13:07:14 GMT -5
Now you're saying Fedor hasn't fought anyone? Hahaha.
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 6, 2011 13:12:41 GMT -5
I'm confused, was speaking about Fedor, then Cro Cop's name was dropped in, I was never speaking about Cro Cop ._.
But no I don't think Fedor has gone against the best of the best, I do think he is over rated, I'm not putting the guy down, he's impressive against those he has faced. But I'm not putting him up there with the best till he has gone up against the best which is in UFC. Simple as that.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 6, 2011 13:33:34 GMT -5
What makes UFC "the best"? Because they advertise having "The best heavyweights in the world"? Or because they actually do?
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 6, 2011 13:39:27 GMT -5
I honestly think they have the best of the best with in there ranks. I mean it's not good representing your heavyweight division with Brock Lesnar who turtles up because he isn't aloud to be hit in the face in training. But outside of him they do have some great guys. And it's easy to get great guys when you have the money to do so. That is just personally my opinion on the whole thing, I don't expect everyone to agree. And there are people who watch a wide variety of MMA who could probably give me a 101 reasons as to why I'm wrong, but from what I've personally watched and seen. I do consider them to have the best heavyweights.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 6, 2011 13:41:45 GMT -5
Who are honestly their BEST heavyweights? 3 guys? Lesnar, JDS and Cain? 3? Do you honestly believe Stefan Struve can beat guys like Overeem, Fedor or even Barnett? Come on, man. Expand your horizons.
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 6, 2011 13:59:37 GMT -5
I don't hold Lesnar any where near the best, the guy is a bully in there, if you pick your strikes with him, he drops.
Cain, Carwin and JDS. - Carwin insisted he wasn't gassed out, he had some other reasoning, true or not the guy is dangerous in there and I think can be still held as one of the top fighters.
Overeem is good, I've seen him a few times, I like him, can't say I've seen much of Barnett, I'm not as knowledgeable as everyone else, so I've only seen what I've seen, but out of my top three, I think Overeem could handle 1 of the 3. Was cool that he won the K-1 final though, he has had a lot of buzz around him because of that.
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Post by K5 on Feb 6, 2011 14:42:24 GMT -5
exciting possible fight, i don't know what mma fan wouldn't want to see this.
oh yea...fedor > ufc's complete heavyweight roster.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 6, 2011 14:52:10 GMT -5
Sorry, yeah, I wrote that last post LATE AS HELL when I was delirious. Hahaha.
But my point is that Fedor clearly beat plenty of top guys. Babalu in his prime, Heath Herring in his prime, Nogueira TWICE in his prime, Cro Cop in his prime, Mark Coleman in his prime, Kevin Randleman in his prime, Tim Sylvia when he was still considered top-10 (or right outside of the top-10), Arlovski when he was considered one of the top three heavyweights in the world, Brett Rogers when he was just outside of the top-10....
Fedor's track record is better than ANYONE in the UFC.
Honestly, man, if you "haven't seen much of Josh Barnett," that's all I really need to know when it comes to your analysis of the world MMA scene.
Josh Barnett was one of the best fighters in the world for like a decade, man, and he fought in PRIDE during the same time Fedor did.
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Post by Sonnen on Feb 6, 2011 15:26:53 GMT -5
Well you make some good points, I don't know nearly as much as you about MMA, majority of the fighters you mention he beat in there prime, I've seen get there ass handed to them and look like jokes, so either I've seen them on a bad night, or not in prime. That being said the MMA world is pretty much. "What have you don't for me lately" And lately I've had no reason to jump on the Fedor bandwagon, and I don't feel reason to call him the number one heavyweight unless he goes and prove it against the Cain and the Carwins and so on. That's my opinion.
But this all came about talking about the most intelligent fighters. As far as putting a game plan, GSP is the man when it comes to picking peoples game plan, strength and weaknesses apart and taking them out there comfort zone.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 6, 2011 17:04:39 GMT -5
Herring, Nogueira and Cro Cop were all in their PRIME when Fedor dominated them. No one ever dominated Nogueira on the ground like Fedor did. Anyone can be knocked out, man. Doesn't matter who it is. Why would you not have Arlovski ranked number 2-3 in the world at the time of the Fedor fight? Top 3 at the time was Fedor, Arlovski and Barnett. As you can see here: www.sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-15631 |
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 6, 2011 17:50:58 GMT -5
Herring, Nogueira and Cro Cop were all in their PRIME when Fedor dominated them. No one ever dominated Nogueira on the ground like Fedor did. Anyone can be knocked out, man. Doesn't matter who it is. Why would you not have Arlovski ranked number 2-3 in the world at the time of the Fedor fight? Top 3 at the time was Fedor, Arlovski and Barnett. As you can see here: www.sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-15631This. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 6, 2011 18:19:55 GMT -5
Other sites had Arlovski for sure in the top 5 atleased. It is very silly to say he wasn't top 10 at the time of the Fedor fight.
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Post by SteveHulk on Feb 6, 2011 18:55:15 GMT -5
Other sites had Arlovski for sure in the top 5 atleased. It is very silly to say he wasn't top 10 at the time of the Fedor fight. Agreed - I'm not saying he wasn't in the Top 10... only I'd have put him in around #5-7. But that's just me. |
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Post by 1992 on Feb 6, 2011 19:12:08 GMT -5
I whole-heatedly believe that if Fedor DID come to the UFC, take on a few fights with guys like Brock, Dos Santos, maybe Carwin and even then you'd STILL have the pocket of guys who would say, "Yeah but he...he never beat THAT/THIS guy! HYPE! ALL HYPE!"
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