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Post by Squatch on Feb 1, 2011 21:51:24 GMT -5
Do any of you possibly think that Cain Valasquez will be UFC Heavyweight Champion for a long time in the foreseeable future?
I believe that Cain will hold on to the title for quite some time. But, I also believe that someone will become a threat such as Junior Dos Santos and possibly Brock Lesnar if he were to train much harder and better than last time when he was still reigning UFC Heavyweight Champion last October. I believe the fight would be fair game if Junior Dos Santos were to defeat Brock Lesnar after The Ultimate Fighter is over and he could go on to face Cain Valasquez and possibly defeat him. If Brock Lesnar were to face Cain Valasquez it would mean "Lesnar vs Valasquez II" which could be a potential great fight that many would pay to see. Although Lesnar will have to train much harder and put more dedication into his next fight to defeat Junior Dos Santos before he could make a possible comeback to win the UFC Heavyweight Championship to begin a second reign. If Brock defeats Dos Santos and Valasquez than I believe that he will be the best heavyweight fighter in the UFC not the entire world.
So what are your thoughts?
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 1, 2011 21:54:06 GMT -5
He'll be champion for a good while I think. The real big fight I am seeing now is dos Santos vs. Velasquez, which I actually see happening after Junior defeats Lesnar.
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Post by 1992 on Feb 1, 2011 22:03:41 GMT -5
I don't see Lesnar getting past Dos Santos either.
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Post by Squatch on Feb 1, 2011 22:18:23 GMT -5
He'll be champion for a good while I think. The real big fight I am seeing now is dos Santos vs. Velasquez, which I actually see happening after Junior defeats Lesnar. Well I guess it depends. Maybe Cain will not be the same fighter because of his shoulder surgery. I am just saying that it could happen although I doubt that Cain would be a different fighter. Dos Santos will most likely pumpel Lesnar unless Lesnar trains like crazy.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Feb 2, 2011 4:43:01 GMT -5
You can train all you want in the world. Brock has tons of raw talent. But their are 2 different types of people in the world. 1: The type of person that gets punched in the face and wants to hit back, or 2: The type of person that likes hitting other people in the face, but as soon as you hit them the freak out and don't know what to do. Brock is the latter. Brock could be the best fighter of all time if people didn't hit back.
As for Cain, I think he will stay on top for a good amount of time. He has a work ethic that is second to none. Is young and is still learning a and willing to be a sponge and soak everything in. He has so much heart and a very good mind for fighting. Their are other talented HW's in the UFC, but realistically Dos Santos is the only person that really matches up in all catagories with Cain. I wish the UFC would sign Overeem (not gonna happen sadly) and Fedor because those are 2 other fighters that would be a good fight for Cain.
My question is after Cain vs. JDS then what? The UFC needs to start looking at some good young HW's. Schaub is decent and will grow. Mintrione is starting to come into his own. Pat Berry is pretty weak. Brocks not young, neither is Nog, or Mir. Nelson is decent. I think he needs to lose the belly and become more dedicated. Sorry got of track.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 6:34:18 GMT -5
I've been impressed with Cain from the get-go, and believe he has all the tools to be a great HW champion, but like the rest of you guys, don't really see who else besides JDS can give him a real test in the Octagon.
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Post by the hell demon on Feb 2, 2011 13:38:48 GMT -5
After JDS, Carwin is the only other real challenge for Cain's belt right now. I agree after these fights they are going to have to sign some new blood. I see him being champ for a long time too. He's so good at everything, and having watched all of his fights you can continue to see him evolve every time he enters the cage.
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Post by sean™ on Feb 2, 2011 15:09:18 GMT -5
I'm sure Old School will come in here and "correct" everyone's Lesnar opinions.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 2, 2011 15:50:48 GMT -5
After JDS, Carwin is the only other real challenge for Cain's belt right now. I agree after these fights they are going to have to sign some new blood. I see him being champ for a long time too. He's so good at everything, and having watched all of his fights you can continue to see him evolve every time he enters the cage. Carwin's last fight proved he is not a top-tier guy. He hasn't even fought good opponents in comparison to Velasquez and dos Santos. And now he's suppose to be fighting Kongo? What a step down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 16:07:34 GMT -5
Not a step down as such, more of a marketable fight for when he finishes him.
JDS is the next champ, however i am looking forward to 3 matches of Cain VS JDS over the next couple of years.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 2, 2011 16:20:34 GMT -5
Kongo is a step down. He was never and will never be a contender.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 17:56:14 GMT -5
True, but a quick KO and Carwin will be " back ".
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Post by BROSKI on Feb 2, 2011 18:25:01 GMT -5
Dos Santos will probably be a good fight for Cain, but idk who would win.
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Post by Squatch on Feb 2, 2011 18:40:03 GMT -5
Dos Santos will probably be a good fight for Cain, but idk who would win. I think that Cain Velasquez would beat down Junior Dos Santos.
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Post by Swarm on Feb 2, 2011 18:53:33 GMT -5
Not for nothing ya'll but everyone's making a lot of assumptions regarding JDS' ability to defend the takedowns of a NCAA champion when the only top level fighter JDS has ever actually fight was Fabricio Werdum almost three years ago.
I'm not saying JDS can't win the fight but it's a little nonsensical to make the assumption that a guy who had trouble beating Roy Nelson and got taken down by Gabriel Gonzaga is going to breeze past Brock Lesnar. I know it's in vogue these days to hate on Brock and I guess I can understand, Cain did beat the living hell out of him, but ya'll are really sleeping on Brock here to a pretty idiotic level.
As far as Cain is concerned, he's looked fantastic thus far in his career. You never know for sure but I'd have to imagine Cain would fairly easily handle JDS stylistically similar to what he did to Cheick Kongo, basically using his wrestling to take JDS out of his comfort zone and beat him up from there. You take JDS out of the equation and the only guys I really see as a major threat to Cain would be Fedor and Overeem, but with neither of those guys headed to the UFC in the foreseeable future, I think Cain's prolly gonna be on top for a while.
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Post by Swarm on Feb 2, 2011 19:05:56 GMT -5
After JDS, Carwin is the only other real challenge for Cain's belt right now. I agree after these fights they are going to have to sign some new blood. I see him being champ for a long time too. He's so good at everything, and having watched all of his fights you can continue to see him evolve every time he enters the cage. Carwin's last fight proved he is not a top-tier guy. He hasn't even fought good opponents in comparison to Velasquez and dos Santos. And now he's suppose to be fighting Kongo? What a step down. Dude, come on. JDS has built his entire career on a foundation of tomato cans. He hasn't fought A SINGLE CONTENDER. At least Carwin beat Mir. Besides, who else could they put Carwin in there with? There's like ten fighters on the UFC HW roster and they're all paired up.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 2, 2011 19:09:24 GMT -5
Cro Cop, Yvel, Nelson > Mir, Gonzaga, Wain
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Post by Squatch on Feb 2, 2011 19:44:45 GMT -5
Not for nothing ya'll but everyone's making a lot of assumptions regarding JDS' ability to defend the takedowns of a NCAA champion when the only top level fighter JDS has ever actually fight was Fabricio Werdum almost three years ago. I'm not saying JDS can't win the fight but it's a little nonsensical to make the assumption that a guy who had trouble beating Roy Nelson and got taken down by Gabriel Gonzaga is going to breeze past Brock Lesnar. I know it's in vogue these days to hate on Brock and I guess I can understand, Cain did beat the living hell out of him, but ya'll are really sleeping on Brock here to a pretty idiotic level. As far as Cain is concerned, he's looked fantastic thus far in his career. You never know for sure but I'd have to imagine Cain would fairly easily handle JDS stylistically similar to what he did to Cheick Kongo, basically using his wrestling to take JDS out of his comfort zone and beat him up from there. You take JDS out of the equation and the only guys I really see as a major threat to Cain would be Fedor and Overeem, but with neither of those guys headed to the UFC in the foreseeable future, I think Cain's prolly gonna be on top for a while. I agree with you about Junior Dos Santos not proving much yet. But, I think people are quick to hate on Brock because he was in the WWE before the UFC. Honestly I like Brock and thought he would dominate Cain Velasquez last October but he didn't. I can't wait to either see "Velasquez vs Dos Santos I" or "Velasquez vs Lesnar II" because they will be great fights but right not Brock Lesnar doesn't seem to give a care in the world about the press and marks on the internet that don't like him. I am positive that Brock will train but not hard enough to beat Cain Velasquez unless he were to get to training extremely hard. Brock does train hard but if he wants the UFC Heavyweight Championship back than he needs to train harder than ever before with his trainers in the Deathclutch Gym.
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Post by Swarm on Feb 2, 2011 20:09:45 GMT -5
Cro Cop, Yvel, Nelson > Mir, Gonzaga, Wain lol Frank Mir is a more legitimately contender than Cro Cop, Yvel, and Nelson combined. You could literally genitally engineer those three into one person and thus combine their records and Mir would STILL be ranked higher and be a better fighter.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 2, 2011 20:13:32 GMT -5
Mir is a joke. Mir hasn't beaten anyone of true substance.
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