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Post by Kliquid on Apr 5, 2011 13:48:12 GMT -5
Panthers are sold on Newton. He's the pick if they go QB. This is my opinion, as well. |
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Post by T R W on Apr 5, 2011 13:49:54 GMT -5
I hope the Panthers do take Newton.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 5, 2011 14:26:03 GMT -5
Newton to the Panthers? Sheesh...I thought they had a smarter front office.
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Post by AONI on Apr 5, 2011 19:26:45 GMT -5
Newton to the Panthers? Sheesh...I thought they had a smarter front office. the kid has bust written all over him. |
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Post by Jamal on Apr 5, 2011 21:13:06 GMT -5
the last CB BAL took? '99, McAlister. before him in '98, Duane Starks. they NEED to take a CB if they want to win a SB because not only does their talent at that postion lack depth, they are tremendously injury prone as well. Kindle will be back next year to fill that OLB anyway No guarantee Kindle ever plays again. If Suggs were to go down, this defense would get eaten alive with the current lack of pass-rushers. |
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Post by AONI on Apr 5, 2011 21:50:41 GMT -5
the last CB BAL took? '99, McAlister. before him in '98, Duane Starks. they NEED to take a CB if they want to win a SB because not only does their talent at that postion lack depth, they are tremendously injury prone as well. Kindle will be back next year to fill that OLB anyway No guarantee Kindle ever plays again. If Suggs were to go down, this defense would get eaten alive with the current lack of pass-rushers. alright so answer this. will there be a CB worth taking in the later rounds considering the need BAL has for a good cover corner? and then measure the available talent at CB after the 1st with the available amount of talent with 34 OLB prospects. you take the CB because you can find athletics pass rushers later on. the depth in this years CB class is real top heavy and i dont think you can say the same as far as pass rushing OLBs for BAL's scheme |
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Post by Jamal on Apr 5, 2011 23:44:11 GMT -5
No guarantee Kindle ever plays again. If Suggs were to go down, this defense would get eaten alive with the current lack of pass-rushers. alright so answer this. will there be a CB worth taking in the later rounds considering the need BAL has for a good cover corner? and then measure the available talent at CB after the 1st with the available amount of talent with 34 OLB prospects. you take the CB because you can find athletics pass rushers later on. the depth in this years CB class is real top heavy and i dont think you can say the same as far as pass rushing OLBs for BAL's scheme The Ravens aren't in as desperate a need of a CB as you're making them out to be. Wilson looked very good once he got his feet wet in the Ravens system. Foxworth will be coming back from injury, and Webb shows flashes. Not to mention Carr was very solid last year. What exactly do we have at OLB? Other than Suggs, there is JJ(not much of a pass-rusher), and really not much else. An argument can be made for both positions in terms of depth. But a CB rarely comes in and makes an instant impact, and the CB drafted will have an uphill battle against Wilson, Foxworth, and Webb. I wouldn't mind drafting a CB in the 1st, but as a fan of the team, I'd like to see the pass-rush addressed first. The OLB has a better chance to get playing time, and wont have a lot of competition. The OLB's really fall in quality in the 2nd imo. I don't really see much by the time the Ravens pick in the 2nd. |
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Post by AONI on Apr 6, 2011 1:15:12 GMT -5
alright so answer this. will there be a CB worth taking in the later rounds considering the need BAL has for a good cover corner? and then measure the available talent at CB after the 1st with the available amount of talent with 34 OLB prospects. you take the CB because you can find athletics pass rushers later on. the depth in this years CB class is real top heavy and i dont think you can say the same as far as pass rushing OLBs for BAL's scheme The Ravens aren't in as desperate a need of a CB as you're making them out to be. Wilson looked very good once he got his feet wet in the Ravens system. Foxworth will be coming back from injury, and Webb shows flashes. Not to mention Carr was very solid last year. What exactly do we have at OLB? Other than Suggs, there is JJ(not much of a pass-rusher), and really not much else. An argument can be made for both positions in terms of depth. But a CB rarely comes in and makes an instant impact, and the CB drafted will have an uphill battle against Wilson, Foxworth, and Webb. I wouldn't mind drafting a CB in the 1st, but as a fan of the team, I'd like to see the pass-rush addressed first. The OLB has a better chance to get playing time, and wont have a lot of competition. The OLB's really fall in quality in the 2nd imo. I don't really see much by the time the Ravens pick in the 2nd. did they lose in the playoffs because they couldnt put pressure on the QB? |
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Post by bad guy™ on Apr 6, 2011 9:05:22 GMT -5
The Ravens aren't in as desperate a need of a CB as you're making them out to be. Wilson looked very good once he got his feet wet in the Ravens system. Foxworth will be coming back from injury, and Webb shows flashes. Not to mention Carr was very solid last year. What exactly do we have at OLB? Other than Suggs, there is JJ(not much of a pass-rusher), and really not much else. An argument can be made for both positions in terms of depth. But a CB rarely comes in and makes an instant impact, and the CB drafted will have an uphill battle against Wilson, Foxworth, and Webb. I wouldn't mind drafting a CB in the 1st, but as a fan of the team, I'd like to see the pass-rush addressed first. The OLB has a better chance to get playing time, and wont have a lot of competition. The OLB's really fall in quality in the 2nd imo. I don't really see much by the time the Ravens pick in the 2nd. did they lose in the playoffs because they couldnt put pressure on the QB? In the second half of that game, arguably, yes. |
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Post by Jamal on Apr 6, 2011 9:53:00 GMT -5
The Ravens aren't in as desperate a need of a CB as you're making them out to be. Wilson looked very good once he got his feet wet in the Ravens system. Foxworth will be coming back from injury, and Webb shows flashes. Not to mention Carr was very solid last year. What exactly do we have at OLB? Other than Suggs, there is JJ(not much of a pass-rusher), and really not much else. An argument can be made for both positions in terms of depth. But a CB rarely comes in and makes an instant impact, and the CB drafted will have an uphill battle against Wilson, Foxworth, and Webb. I wouldn't mind drafting a CB in the 1st, but as a fan of the team, I'd like to see the pass-rush addressed first. The OLB has a better chance to get playing time, and wont have a lot of competition. The OLB's really fall in quality in the 2nd imo. I don't really see much by the time the Ravens pick in the 2nd. did they lose in the playoffs because they couldnt put pressure on the QB? Pretty much what L.L.L.B.D. just said. When they were getting pressure in the 1st half, the CB's looked great. Once Pit took out Suggs in the 2nd, it eliminated any pass-rush, giving Ben all day. Even Revis and Scrabble would have had trouble with Ben throwing with almost zero pressure. For another perfect example, remember the MNF game against Houston? 1st half: good pressure = good pass-d, 2nd half: no pressure = CB's getting burnt |
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Post by bad guy™ on Apr 6, 2011 10:15:35 GMT -5
Baltimore really does need pass rushing, I agree. If they want to be competitive in the division alone, they can't rely on Flacco/Rice/Lewis alone. They play in a division that may not be the toughest, but you never know what team's going to show up good or bad. The opposing QBs in Roethlisberger, Palmer (even if he leaves) and McCoy...mixed with some great recievers in Ward, Wallace, Ochocinco, Owens and Cribbs...they need to keep those QB's contained and constantly pressured so the wide outs can't get into a rhythm with the QB.
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Post by Jamal on Apr 6, 2011 17:18:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't even put CB in the top 3 in terms of need.
1. Pass-Rusher (OLB, or DE)
2. Speedy WR
3. ILB
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Post by AONI on Apr 6, 2011 17:42:45 GMT -5
did they lose in the playoffs because they couldnt put pressure on the QB? In the second half of that game, arguably, yes. well then its obvious that the discussion is no longer which position holds more need but rather a disscussion of our own defensive philosophies. Jamal has stated that the better the pass rush, the less need there is for dominant CBs. but it can also be easily stated that the better the CBs, the less need for dominant pass rush. i subscribe to the latter rather than the former based on what Ive seen throughout the past few SBs. look at PIT v GB...the team with the better secondary prevailed. both teams are superior to the rest of the league in terms of pass rush but it is the secondary that separated the two. BAL should take notes and invest in building a solid coverage secondary because they already have one of the top OLBs in the game. besides, is Justin Houston/ Brooks Reed as skilled in their positions as Jimmy Smith is in his? |
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Post by Jamal on Apr 6, 2011 22:24:34 GMT -5
In the second half of that game, arguably, yes. well then its obvious that the discussion is no longer which position holds more need but rather a disscussion of our own defensive philosophies. Jamal has stated that the better the pass rush, the less need there is for dominant CBs. but it can also be easily stated that the better the CBs, the less need for dominant pass rush. i subscribe to the latter rather than the former based on what Ive seen throughout the past few SBs. look at PIT v GB...the team with the better secondary prevailed. both teams are superior to the rest of the league in terms of pass rush but it is the secondary that separated the two. BAL should take notes and invest in building a solid coverage secondary because they already have one of the top OLBs in the game. besides, is Justin Houston/ Brooks Reed as skilled in their positions as Jimmy Smith is in his?Its not really that far off imo. Smith was rarely tested, and his reported work ethic and character issues really concern me. Especially after what we just went through with Kindle. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 6, 2011 22:32:11 GMT -5
Newton to the Panthers? Sheesh...I thought they had a smarter front office. the kid has bust written all over him. I'm not willing to go that far with him. I dont think he will live up to the #1 over all pick and I dont think he can be a franchise QB. But I think he can play in the league. An athlete like Newton can play if he wants too and have a decent career. I just think late first round to early second is more of his spot. How many athletic QBs have come to this league and failed? Its fun to watch when you get to see a guy like Mike Vick take off or a Tebow or a Steve Young. But the ones that succeed vs. the ones that fail are staggering numbers. The NFL is a pocket passing league. Newton is not a pocket passer. |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Apr 6, 2011 23:35:00 GMT -5
I could see him being useful in a wild cat situation or even used as like a WR like Brad Smith from the Jets is. I just can't seem him as a great/good qb I hear the Bengals are lookin at Kolb and the Dolphins have interest in Palmer. I wish the Bengals would royally  Palmer over and just bench him but he is due to much money and if he retires i wouldn't release his rights. But its unlikely. |
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Post by AONI on Apr 7, 2011 2:09:07 GMT -5
well then its obvious that the discussion is no longer which position holds more need but rather a disscussion of our own defensive philosophies. Jamal has stated that the better the pass rush, the less need there is for dominant CBs. but it can also be easily stated that the better the CBs, the less need for dominant pass rush. i subscribe to the latter rather than the former based on what Ive seen throughout the past few SBs. look at PIT v GB...the team with the better secondary prevailed. both teams are superior to the rest of the league in terms of pass rush but it is the secondary that separated the two. BAL should take notes and invest in building a solid coverage secondary because they already have one of the top OLBs in the game. besides, is Justin Houston/ Brooks Reed as skilled in their positions as Jimmy Smith is in his?Its not really that far off imo. Smith was rarely tested, and his reported work ethic and character issues really concern me. Especially after what we just went through with Kindle. Kindle didnt have character issues comin out... besides, is fallin down the stairs a character issue? granted, i dont know the whole situation |
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Post by Jamal on Apr 7, 2011 10:55:25 GMT -5
Its not really that far off imo. Smith was rarely tested, and his reported work ethic and character issues really concern me. Especially after what we just went through with Kindle. Kindle didnt have character issues comin out... besides, is fallin down the stairs a character issue? granted, i dont know the whole situation Reportedly, he was drunk, and it happened at a friends house, the week before training camp. I'd consider that a character problem, along with being a dumbass. Hes also had a DWI his sophomore year, been in some kind of crash which lead to a concussion, and just had a DUI a couple months ago. Not to mention he had serious injury concern coming out. I didn't like the pick from the very start. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2011 11:09:23 GMT -5
I could see him being useful in a wild cat situation or even used as like a WR like Brad Smith from the Jets is. I just can't seem him as a great/good qb I hear the Bengals are lookin at Kolb and the Dolphins have interest in Palmer. I wish the Bengals would royally Palmer over and just bench him but he is due to much money and if he retires i wouldn't release his rights. But its unlikely. The Bungles are just dysfunctional. Carson Palmer suffered long enough. Newton to them would be a perfect spot for both. Hell Akili Smith 2. |
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Post by figurecollector on Apr 7, 2011 18:35:41 GMT -5
Or David Klingler, II
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