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Post by Oskanowski on Mar 3, 2011 21:51:25 GMT -5
UFO Files Released in Britain:www.ktsm.com/news/the-truth-is-out-there-ufo-files-released-in-britainLONDON, ENGLAND— Britain released thousands of reports of unidentified flying objects sightings and alien abduction files on Thursday to the public.
One sighting even included a British Bomber being trailed by a UFO. A British Bomber is a WWII aircraft.
Nick Pope, a UFO expert, was curious as to why one file was destroyed without explanation.
“One of the really interesting stories is that files— defense intelligence stuff, files on Britain's most famous UFO's— have been destroyed for some reason, so conspiracy theorists will be up in arms about this," said Pope.
Pope also said one file mentions a man that believes he was abducted by aliens.
“One of the cases was a Londoner who believed he was abducted by aliens. he was quite happily drinking a glass of milk, and he saw something odd, and then time went all funny," he said. “He thought he had had one of those missed time experiences, but it transpired that what had actually happened was that there had been an airship hovering over his house and the clocks had gone back that time. So there was a perfectly rational explanation."
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Post by slappy on Mar 3, 2011 21:53:04 GMT -5
So did they prove anything or was it all just citizen reports?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 3, 2011 21:56:53 GMT -5
Citizen reports = proof in the UFO world Slappy. No need for empiricism. No need for vetting.
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Post by Oskanowski on Mar 3, 2011 22:03:08 GMT -5
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Mar 3, 2011 22:08:45 GMT -5
Wait what's going on? I'm confused
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 3, 2011 22:16:30 GMT -5
One million or one billion reports does not equal a single bit of solid proof.
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Post by Oskanowski on Mar 3, 2011 22:19:40 GMT -5
One million or one billion reports does not equal a single bit of solid proof. |
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Post by Kliquid on Mar 3, 2011 22:22:33 GMT -5
I'm not trying to say that everyone is lying, but certainly MANY or MOST of these people are lying. People are naturally liars. I mean, think about all the stories of the Lockness Monster, Big Foot, various other sea monsters, and that boats were "falling off the side of the Earth." At one time, all of these things were considered either fact or at least VERY plausible. Nowadays we know differently. But the fact remains that all of the people who claimed those things were lying or not seeing what they thought they were seeing. |
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Post by Oskanowski on Mar 3, 2011 22:40:17 GMT -5
I'm not trying to say that everyone is lying, but certainly MANY or MOST of these people are lying. People are naturally liars. I mean, think about all the stories of the Lockness Monster, Big Foot, various other sea monsters, and that boats were "falling off the side of the Earth." At one time, all of these things were considered either fact or at least VERY plausible. Nowadays we know differently. But the fact remains that all of the people who claimed those things were lying or not seeing what they thought they were seeing.Which totally explains why we still get these sightings to this day, you can't say that the fact is Aliens/Bigfoot/Sea monsters don't exist, when we haven't even covered nearly as much of the ocean as there is, we still got so much to find in the sea & do find all the time, constantly finding new types of fish and what not from big and small. Bigfoot, eh. We really haven't even took the time to really search for it. People do it in their little Sasquatch groups and what not, but has anyone really spent a long time searching all around the globe where the sightings take place and try finding this " creature? " No. Loch ness, probably is one of those that's in the same category as the Jersey Devil & Mothman. Very very cool story, classic, with lots of reports, yet probably just isn't there - yet still gets reports to this day, actually having a report from this year to be exact. I'm starting to think that with Bigfoot as well, probably just isn't there but still so much area to look. As in Aliens/Sea creatures, we just got way too much area to still search before saying it's a fact they don't exist. Also think back of when we had dinosaurs, if you take the smaller dinosaurs & put them in the jungles of today and had people claiming we had these certain creatures, people wouldn't believe you, no matter how many reports you had, people wouldn't believe it - yet we know that at one time we had dinosaurs on Earth, so the possibility for creatures like this existing is there, of course not anything near dinosaurs, but we still have really interesting wild creatures showing up all the time. We do have lots of fake reports, but you have to look at each report. Taking someones word is a lot harder to do these days than seeing an image/video of what that person seen. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 4, 2011 9:13:57 GMT -5
Actually you can say things like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster almost definitely do not exist. It would be impossible to conceal a breeding population of great apes in the northwestern US. You wouldn't be able to do it if you wanted to. It would be impossible for a dinosaur the size of the Loch Ness monster to eat what they would need to eat without having a serious impact on the eco system of the Loch.
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Post by Revvie® on Mar 4, 2011 9:40:40 GMT -5
Despite me not necessarily(caring) whether Aliens and "monsters" exist. I do find a lot of enjoyment from the myths and tales and accounts. Not to say I believe or disbelieve, I just enjoy the stories for what they are, every culture has had its legends and tales. But it is true we know little about the over all animal populace and constantly find new ones. As far as aliens go, I have no idea. I can try to rationalize all of it down to nothing and I can't seem to get myself to complete no belief on a scientific basis. I might read a few these files though, I think it could make for some interesting stuff.  |
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Post by Hurricane on Mar 4, 2011 21:00:16 GMT -5
One million or one billion reports does not equal a single bit of solid proof. Reading them is irrelevent, its still not proof. I could make a convincing UFO story with my friends and hand in it and you'd be all over it. |
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Post by Oskanowski on Mar 4, 2011 21:37:58 GMT -5
Who said it did? Plus how would you know? You didn't read any of them. lol.. Reading them is irrelevant, its still not proof. I could make a convincing UFO story with my friends and hand in it and you'd be all over it. Wrong. It's still something. If you have numerous reports that are from the same area/day that have seen the same thing & that can't be explained once examined then it's closer to proof of what they seen was there instead of not being there, doesn't mean it's a fact it's there, but it don't mean it's not there either. It would just go in the unexplained category. Plus you get video/images as well, not too mention this is just the ones they gave us that mostly was nothing - in these files are around 5-15% unexplained while the rest are explained for certain things (stars, planes, balloons, lanterns..etc. ) We aren't even counting the thousands more they have that they won't give us, or that they've already destroyed. You making up a UFO story & sending it in, will for one make you a douche bag for not trying to help the UFO community in finding the truth but just adding more garbage to it & two, won't do anything but just get added to the list of ignorant stories/explained list and only make yourself look stupid for claiming something. Of course people would be all over it, that's people's job is examining these cases. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 4, 2011 22:04:57 GMT -5
Despite me not necessarily(caring) whether Aliens and "monsters" exist. I do find a lot of enjoyment from the myths and tales and accounts. Not to say I believe or disbelieve, I just enjoy the stories for what they are, every culture has had its legends and tales. But it is true we know little about the over all animal populace and constantly find new ones. As far as aliens go, I have no idea. I can try to rationalize all of it down to nothing and I can't seem to get myself to complete no belief on a scientific basis. I might read a few these files though, I think it could make for some interesting stuff. Totally agree with you for once. The stories are very entertaining. I think the stories tell us more about ourselves than what is actually going on. When we find new animals, the tend to be small. Cryptids tend to be big. If someone told me there was an unknown field mouse gallivanting around South America, it would be entirely believable. Tell me there's a dinosaur in the same area and it strains credibility. |
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Post by King Silva on Mar 4, 2011 22:22:03 GMT -5
I heard about this earlier today. I knew Oski would post it too!   |
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Post by Kliquid on Mar 4, 2011 22:26:27 GMT -5
Which totally explains why we still get these sightings to this day, you can't say that the fact is Aliens/Bigfoot/Sea monsters don't exist, when we haven't even covered nearly as much of the ocean as there is, we still got so much to find in the sea & do find all the time, constantly finding new types of fish and what not from big and small. I think we can conclusively say that there were never singing fish that lured people and their boats in, in order to eat them. Those were the legends, man. It's humans. We're liars. Bigfoot, eh. We really haven't even took the time to really search for it. People do it in their little Sasquatch groups and what not, but has anyone really spent a long time searching all around the globe where the sightings take place and try finding this " creature? " No. Because there's really no need to. It'd be practically impossible to keep that kind of thing a secret, especially when people ARE looking for it. Loch ness, probably is one of those that's in the same category as the Jersey Devil & Mothman. Very very cool story, classic, with lots of reports, yet probably just isn't there - yet still gets reports to this day, actually having a report from this year to be exact. People are insane. They seem to believe it's real even though it has been conclusively proven that it isn't real. I'm starting to think that with Bigfoot as well, probably just isn't there but still so much area to look. As in Aliens/Sea creatures, we just got way too much area to still search before saying it's a fact they don't exist. Like I said, I'm not saying it's impossible that the things exist (giant sea creatures, aliens), only that people saying it the stuff is real - even a LOT of people - doesn't mean it's real. We do have lots of fake reports, but you have to look at each report. Taking someones word is a lot harder to do these days than seeing an image/video of what that person seen. But then we find out that at LEAST 90% of the things we see videos of that people believe to be "aliens" are either hoaxes or other things that we find out to be NOT aliens. Again, I'm not saying it means that aliens don't exist, just that some shitty video doesn't really prove it one way or another. |
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Post by Revvie® on Mar 4, 2011 22:44:52 GMT -5
Despite me not necessarily(caring) whether Aliens and "monsters" exist. I do find a lot of enjoyment from the myths and tales and accounts. Not to say I believe or disbelieve, I just enjoy the stories for what they are, every culture has had its legends and tales. But it is true we know little about the over all animal populace and constantly find new ones. As far as aliens go, I have no idea. I can try to rationalize all of it down to nothing and I can't seem to get myself to complete no belief on a scientific basis. I might read a few these files though, I think it could make for some interesting stuff. The stories are very entertaining. I think the stories tell us more about ourselves than what is actually going on. When we find new animals, the tend to be small. Cryptids tend to be big. If someone told me there was an unknown field mouse gallivanting around South America, it would be entirely believable. Tell me there's a dinosaur in the same area and it strains credibility.  I now believe in 2012 PS: |
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Post by Oskanowski on Mar 5, 2011 0:47:41 GMT -5
Which totally explains why we still get these sightings to this day, you can't say that the fact is Aliens/Bigfoot/Sea monsters don't exist, when we haven't even covered nearly as much of the ocean as there is, we still got so much to find in the sea & do find all the time, constantly finding new types of fish and what not from big and small. I think we can conclusively say that there were never singing fish that lured people and their boats in, in order to eat them. Those were the legends, man. It's humans. We're liars. Because there's really no need to. It'd be practically impossible to keep that kind of thing a secret, especially when people ARE looking for it. People are insane. They seem to believe it's real even though it has been conclusively proven that it isn't real. Like I said, I'm not saying it's impossible that the things exist (giant sea creatures, aliens), only that people saying it the stuff is real - even a LOT of people - doesn't mean it's real. We do have lots of fake reports, but you have to look at each report. Taking someones word is a lot harder to do these days than seeing an image/video of what that person seen. But then we find out that at LEAST 90% of the things we see videos of that people believe to be "aliens" are either hoaxes or other things that we find out to be NOT aliens. Again, I'm not saying it means that aliens don't exist, just that some poopty video doesn't really prove it one way or another. Pretty much agree with everything you just said.  |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 5, 2011 9:43:24 GMT -5
How can you agree with him when he directly contradicted everything you said? WTF??
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Post by Revvie® on Mar 5, 2011 9:50:33 GMT -5
How can you agree with him when he directly contradicted everything you said? WTF?? Actually, if you look closely, he has been saying the same things in the same ways and you two keep reading into what you want to see him saying. I'm sure this is mostly misinterpretation. I have read all his replies for a little while on this stuff, and to be honest, he has not came off as a conspiracy theorist, but more so just someone interested in the theories and trying to find truth in all the lies. How does that mean that he is "contradicting everything he has said" ? |
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