The Boglin
Main Eventer
Team Goldie.
Joined on: Apr 20, 2005 16:46:22 GMT -5
Posts: 4,171
|
Post by The Boglin on Oct 3, 2007 12:33:55 GMT -5
Until his match with Bret Hart at WM8 Piper has never been pinned in a WWf ring. My question is, does anyone know the reason behind this? He was never sold as undefeated, yet he was never pinned. Why? did Piper refuse to job to anyone? If so, how did he get that kind of pull? Was this done by accident(doubt it)? Anyone know?
|
|
|
|
Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Oct 3, 2007 12:53:59 GMT -5
Until his match with Bret Hart at WM8 Piper has never been pinned in a WWf ring. My question is, does anyone know the reason behind this? He was never sold as undefeated, yet he was never pinned. Why? did Piper refuse to job to anyone? If so, how did he get that kind of pull? Was this done by accident(doubt it)? Anyone know? In those days they counted DQ's and countouts, which Piper lost plenty of matches that way when he was a crybaby. |
|
The Boglin
Main Eventer
Team Goldie.
Joined on: Apr 20, 2005 16:46:22 GMT -5
Posts: 4,171
|
Post by The Boglin on Oct 3, 2007 17:49:26 GMT -5
that still doesn't answer my question, you'd think he would of got pinned once in all those years...
|
|
Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai
Main Eventer
Promotional consideration paid for by the following
Joined on: Jul 25, 2005 17:12:49 GMT -5
Posts: 3,209
|
Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Oct 3, 2007 20:42:31 GMT -5
that still doesn't answer my question, you'd think he would of got pinned once in all those years... I have read a few times over the years that Piper was a little stubborn about doing the job. So that was probably part of the reason. Also, from 1984 onward, Piper was one of the top 3 or 4 true draws in the WWF, so I am sure they booked him to stay "strong" (as in, not letting him get beat too decisively by anyone but Hogan). Think about who Roddy Piper's major feuds were with from 1984-1992: Jimmy Snuka, Hulk Hogan, Mr. T, Adrian Adonis, Bad News Brown, Rick Rude, Ric Flair, and The Mountie (Bret Hart was a one-match thing, so I don't consider it a feud). The only stars on that list rivaled (or surpassed) Roddy Piper in the pecking order at the time of the feud were Snuka, Hogan (and Mr. T by association with Hogan and celebrity status), and Flair. During the feuds with Snuka, Hogan and Mr. T, they did a lot of tag mathes involving Bob Orton Jr. and Paul Orndorff, and in those cases, if the heels lost, Piper was never the guy who took the pin. When he did lose against Snuka or Hogan in a 1-on-1 match, it was usually via DQ for cheating or outside interference, or via countout for simply leaving the ring. Piper never lost clean to Adonis, Rude or Bad News Brown because he was a strong babyface draw against a heel that wasn't a main-eventer at the time, so it made sense for Piper to win. Flair was a huge name when he feuded with Piper in the WWF, but Flair didn't get clean wins over Piper or Hogan during that WWF run. The Mountie was just in the right place at the right time when he got the IC title and was probably never intended to look as strong as Piper. Hope that helped a little.... |
|
CSUMB84
Superstar
Joined on: Jan 4, 2005 3:24:32 GMT -5
Posts: 635
|
Post by CSUMB84 on Oct 4, 2007 4:16:16 GMT -5
I swear on one of my coliseum videos (I don't know which one), there is a match with Snuka and Piper on it where Piper is pinned by Snuka. I gotta see if I can find it alter.
|
|
JCWBobC
Main Eventer
Joined on: Aug 17, 2005 7:48:54 GMT -5
Posts: 1,634
|
Post by JCWBobC on Oct 4, 2007 8:10:15 GMT -5
Where are you getting this information that he was undefeated from? It is obviously wrong so I would suggest you do some research before you just believe what people write on the internet.
Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - March 7, 1982
Cadillac Tournament
Ricky Steamboat defeated Roddy Piper
Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Garden - July 11, 1982
NWA Mid-Atlantic Champion Jack Brisco defeated Roddy Piper
WWF @ St. Louis, MO - Kiel Auditorium - July 20, 1984
Jimmy Snuka pinned Roddy Piper in a Fijian Strap Match with a flying bodypress. On the Best of WWF Vol. 3
WWF @ East Rutherford, NJ - Meadowlands - September 15, 1984
Andre the Giant defeated Roddy Piper
WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - October 7, 1984
Ivan Putski defeated Roddy Piper
WWF @ Sacramento, CA - October 17, 1984
Andre the Giant defeated Roddy Piper
I'm sure their are a lot more but here are just a few.
Bob
|
|
Treball
Mid-Carder
Joined on: Jun 10, 2004 21:35:22 GMT -5
Posts: 339
|
Post by Treball on Oct 4, 2007 16:50:54 GMT -5
Where are you getting this information that he was undefeated from? It is obviously wrong so I would suggest you do some research before you just believe what people write on the internet. I'm pretty sure that Piper states, on his DVD that was released last year, that Bret was his first pinfall loss up until that point. But who knows if that's correct or not. I think he might be relying on the thinking that wrestling fans have a super short memory. |
|
Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai
Main Eventer
Promotional consideration paid for by the following
Joined on: Jul 25, 2005 17:12:49 GMT -5
Posts: 3,209
|
Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Oct 4, 2007 19:48:50 GMT -5
Where are you getting this information that he was undefeated from? It is obviously wrong so I would suggest you do some research before you just believe what people write on the internet. Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - March 7, 1982 Cadillac Tournament Ricky Steamboat defeated Roddy Piper Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Garden - July 11, 1982 NWA Mid-Atlantic Champion Jack Brisco defeated Roddy Piper WWF @ St. Louis, MO - Kiel Auditorium - July 20, 1984 Jimmy Snuka pinned Roddy Piper in a Fijian Strap Match with a flying bodypress. On the Best of WWF Vol. 3 WWF @ East Rutherford, NJ - Meadowlands - September 15, 1984 Andre the Giant defeated Roddy Piper WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - October 7, 1984 Ivan Putski defeated Roddy Piper WWF @ Sacramento, CA - October 17, 1984 Andre the Giant defeated Roddy Piper I'm sure their are a lot more but here are just a few. Bob Piper never claimed to be undefeated. He claimed that in his WWF run he had not been pinned until the Hart match. Which, in TV/video matches, is possibly true. He lost a ton of matches by DQ and countout, or in tag matches by having Orton or Orndorff take the pin. You know the wrestling rule: If it happened at a house show and wasn't televised, it doesn't count. The matches you listed from 1982 weren't WWF matches, so they are irrelevant. Also, does it say how Piper lost any of the matches you just listed? If not, then they are all irrelevant. The Fijian strap match wouldn't have been a pinfall loss either, because that's not how you win a strap match. Again: Piper said he wasn't pinned, not that he never lost. Was he lying? Well, this is wrestling... but if he was stretching the truth, it wasn't by much. Lastly, the shot about not believing everthing you read on the internet was unnecessary (*but good advice anyway) because Piper himself is the one who keeps saying he went that long without being pinned, not some random goof on a web site. |
|
|
|
Post by hitman2782 on Oct 5, 2007 20:05:16 GMT -5
i just watched that piper and snuka strap match he was correct piper was pinned
|
|
Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai
Main Eventer
Promotional consideration paid for by the following
Joined on: Jul 25, 2005 17:12:49 GMT -5
Posts: 3,209
|
Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Oct 6, 2007 8:16:58 GMT -5
i just watched that piper and snuka strap match he was correct piper was pinned Then: A) It wasn't a normal strap match, as pinfalls don't count in those... B) Piper/WWE thought fans would forget that match, just like they claimed Andre the Giant had never been bodyslammed until WrestleMania III when it had already been done by a few different guys |
|
|
|
Post by mav on Oct 6, 2007 13:24:05 GMT -5
You also have to remember, all these legends create there own reality at times. Hogan, Flair, Piper, Dusty, Orndorff, Sgt. Slaughter etc. are all old now, and they all remember the same thing, only different.
|
|
JCWBobC
Main Eventer
Joined on: Aug 17, 2005 7:48:54 GMT -5
Posts: 1,634
|
Post by JCWBobC on Oct 6, 2007 15:16:59 GMT -5
What I said wasn't a shot it was a suggestion. How many threads do people start over something that they read on the internet that is completely false? I don't know how old you or most of the people on the boards are but most of them weren't watching wrestling back then like I was. A lot of them probably weren't even alive back then so it just gets old reading all this misinformation by people who just believe everything they read.
Also in the first post nowhere does it say that Piper is the one who made the statement so how would I have know that was where he got his information from?
As far as the strap match goes the rules are whatever they decide they need to do to further the storylines. Their are a lot of matches that have certain rules but get changed just to allow them to finish the match a certain way.
Bob
|
|
Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai
Main Eventer
Promotional consideration paid for by the following
Joined on: Jul 25, 2005 17:12:49 GMT -5
Posts: 3,209
|
Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Oct 6, 2007 15:45:17 GMT -5
I've been watching since 1983, so I have been around.
And while he didn't say it came from Piper, he also didn't say he read it on a web site... you just assumed that. I know it happens a lot, though, so it was a fair assumption I suppose.
|
|
