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Post by LA Times on Feb 2, 2012 21:15:34 GMT -5
Because they're the Natinals. I have seen that team figure out new ways to lose year after year after year. They just don't play good fundamental baseball. They do things like throw the ball to the wrong base, fail to take the extra base or not tag up and try to score and it costs them games. The Nationals are on their way up while the Phillies are on their way down. The Nationals and Royals are going to be WS contenders by 2016 if their prospects are as good as advertised. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 2, 2012 22:58:21 GMT -5
Because they're the Natinals. I have seen that team figure out new ways to lose year after year after year. They just don't play good fundamental baseball. They do things like throw the ball to the wrong base, fail to take the extra base or not tag up and try to score and it costs them games. The Nationals are on their way up while the Phillies are on their way down. The Nationals and Royals are going to be WS contenders by 2016 if their prospects are as good as advertised. Wont' speak for the Nationals, but it won't happen for the Royals. I've seen it happen many, many, many times w/the Royals. They get a roster full of a talented guys. They trade them off just before they hit free agency. This was a team that once had Johnny Damon, Carlos Beltran and Jermaine Dye in the same outfield when all of them were entering their primes. On top of that, they had Mike Sweeney at 1B before he had all the injuries. Just a few years later, only Sweeney remained and he was banged up. Damon and Beltran were both traded before they hit free agency and Dye left as well. The team was blown up only to rebuild again. Only the sixth or seventh time I've seen the team blown up and rebuilt in my lifetime. The Royals may end up a .500 team before they blow up again. That wouldn't surprise me at all. They won't sniff the post season though. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 2, 2012 23:23:34 GMT -5
Josh Hamilton has been spotted in the Dallas-Fort Worth area boozing hard at a bar.
Rangers totally should have gotten Prince instead of waiting for Hamilton. This dude is going to shorten his career and maybe his life with his stupid choices.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 2, 2012 23:58:25 GMT -5
You wont speak for the Nationals but a few hours ago, you said they werent contenders because of their "past"
LOL, you are the best.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 3, 2012 9:24:02 GMT -5
Between now and 2016, the Natinals might turn it around and start doing things differently. The Royals won't.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 3, 2012 9:32:01 GMT -5
Between now and 2016, the Natinals might turn it around and start doing things differently. The Royals won't. Nationals already have! They are making progress and will be better this year. In 2016 the Royals will be in the playoffs, the Nationals too and Ryan Howard still at 1B for the Phillies. Good luck with that |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 3, 2012 11:05:01 GMT -5
Between now and 2016, the Natinals might turn it around and start doing things differently. The Royals won't. Nationals already have! They are making progress and will be better this year. In 2016 the Royals will be in the playoffs, the Nationals too and Ryan Howard still at 1B for the Phillies. Good luck with that What makes you think the Royals are going to reverse 30 years of doing things the exact same way in the next 4 years? |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 3, 2012 13:11:12 GMT -5
Nationals already have! They are making progress and will be better this year. In 2016 the Royals will be in the playoffs, the Nationals too and Ryan Howard still at 1B for the Phillies. Good luck with that What makes you think the Royals are going to reverse 30 years of doing things the exact same way in the next 4 years? Same way the Phillies reversed their bad luck, or the same way the Yankees rebounded from the 80s of sucking, or the Red Sox for the past century. Talent, talent, talent. Drafting, spending well. Developing the right players, which they are doing. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 3, 2012 16:34:35 GMT -5
What makes you think the Royals are going to reverse 30 years of doing things the exact same way in the next 4 years? Same way the Phillies reversed their bad luck, or the same way the Yankees rebounded from the 80s of sucking, or the Red Sox for the past century. Talent, talent, talent. Drafting, spending well. Developing the right players, which they are doing. I've seen the Royals draft/acquire all kinds of talented young guys. The talent that has come through the Royals system is prretty ridiculous. Johnny Damon, Carlos Beltran, Jemaine Dye, Mike Sweeney, Zack Greinke are names that jump immediately to mind. None of them stay. Look at someone like Joakim Soria. Kids got mad talent. He's in a contract year. I'd be shocked if he signs a long term deal in KC. KC won't/can't spend the money. He's a talented guy who will walk at the end of the year or be traded. Look at the Phils. Rollins came up and won ROY. Howard won ROY the next year. Utley came along. Then guys like Hamels, Victorino and Werth were dropped by. The Phillies locked up all of these guys (except for Hamels) and keeping them around has contributed to their success. How good would the Phils have been if they let Rollins walk when he hit FA or they traded Utley when he was in a contract year or they traded Howard for a handful of prospects 3-4 years ago. That is what the Royals do. They draft/acquire talented guys. The guy has success in KC and maybe even shows flashes of absolute brilliance. He's due for a big contract so the Royals trade him away for a handful of prospects. Some of those prospects become stars and they're then traded away as well. Sweeney is the only one who stuck around and that was because he chose to stick around and he chose to take less money to do so. |
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Post by Mr.GT on Feb 3, 2012 17:37:04 GMT -5
I love the Nationals "Take back our park"'campaign...really cute.
Good luck with that. They act like the secondary market doesn't exist, CBP South will be invaded.
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Post by MC2 on Feb 3, 2012 17:43:06 GMT -5
I see the Nationals having a "Rocktober" type season. Just not ending in a world series appearance.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 3, 2012 19:22:26 GMT -5
Same way the Phillies reversed their bad luck, or the same way the Yankees rebounded from the 80s of sucking, or the Red Sox for the past century. Talent, talent, talent. Drafting, spending well. Developing the right players, which they are doing. I've seen the Royals draft/acquire all kinds of talented young guys. The talent that has come through the Royals system is prretty ridiculous. Johnny Damon, Carlos Beltran, Jemaine Dye, Mike Sweeney, Zack Greinke are names that jump immediately to mind. None of them stay. Look at someone like Joakim Soria. Kids got mad talent. He's in a contract year. I'd be shocked if he signs a long term deal in KC. KC won't/can't spend the money. He's a talented guy who will walk at the end of the year or be traded. Look at the Phils. Rollins came up and won ROY. Howard won ROY the next year. Utley came along. Then guys like Hamels, Victorino and Werth were dropped by. The Phillies locked up all of these guys (except for Hamels) and keeping them around has contributed to their success. How good would the Phils have been if they let Rollins walk when he hit FA or they traded Utley when he was in a contract year or they traded Howard for a handful of prospects 3-4 years ago. That is what the Royals do. They draft/acquire talented guys. The guy has success in KC and maybe even shows flashes of absolute brilliance. He's due for a big contract so the Royals trade him away for a handful of prospects. Some of those prospects become stars and they're then traded away as well. Sweeney is the only one who stuck around and that was because he chose to stick around and he chose to take less money to do so. The Royals have been stockpiling draft picks for the past 10 years. You probably know who Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas are by now, but they have more top prospects on their way. They will have a homegrown core group under team control for 6 years, so their window of opportunity to contend for a WS would be around 2016. |
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Post by LA Times on Feb 3, 2012 19:26:32 GMT -5
CBS Sports has also named their current Worst Contract Team
C-Joe Mauer
1B-Ryan Howie
2B-Dan Uggly
SS-Jose Reyes
3B-Alex Rodriguez
OF-Vernon Wells
OF-Alex Rios
OF-Jayson Werth
DH-Adam Dunn
SP-John Lackey
SP-AJ Burnett
SP-Barry Zito
SP-Carlos Zambrano
SP-Johan Santana
RP-Rafael Soriano
CL-Jonathan Papelbon
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 3, 2012 19:37:51 GMT -5
I've seen the Royals draft/acquire all kinds of talented young guys. The talent that has come through the Royals system is prretty ridiculous. Johnny Damon, Carlos Beltran, Jemaine Dye, Mike Sweeney, Zack Greinke are names that jump immediately to mind. None of them stay. Look at someone like Joakim Soria. Kids got mad talent. He's in a contract year. I'd be shocked if he signs a long term deal in KC. KC won't/can't spend the money. He's a talented guy who will walk at the end of the year or be traded. Look at the Phils. Rollins came up and won ROY. Howard won ROY the next year. Utley came along. Then guys like Hamels, Victorino and Werth were dropped by. The Phillies locked up all of these guys (except for Hamels) and keeping them around has contributed to their success. How good would the Phils have been if they let Rollins walk when he hit FA or they traded Utley when he was in a contract year or they traded Howard for a handful of prospects 3-4 years ago. That is what the Royals do. They draft/acquire talented guys. The guy has success in KC and maybe even shows flashes of absolute brilliance. He's due for a big contract so the Royals trade him away for a handful of prospects. Some of those prospects become stars and they're then traded away as well. Sweeney is the only one who stuck around and that was because he chose to stick around and he chose to take less money to do so. The Royals have been stockpiling draft picks for the past 10 years. You probably know who Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas are by now, but they have more top prospects on their way. They will have a homegrown core group under team control for 6 years, so their window of opportunity to contend for a WS would be around 2016. The guys won't stick around that long. I have heard the "wait'll 4 years from now" chant about the Royals all my life. They've never been more than a .500 team at best. They are a small market team who simply can't afford to lock up good players to long term deals or sign good players off the free agent market. I pointed out Soria earlier. Very good closer. What are the chances the Royals lock him up long term? Very close to zero. Guy will be 28 and very talented. Someone will back up a Brinks truck for him and he'll be gone. Same thing will happen with every other guy who has talent and comes through Kansas City. |
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Post by Cass on Feb 3, 2012 19:51:20 GMT -5
CBS Sports has also named their current Worst Contract Team C-Joe Mauer 1B-Ryan Howie 2B-Dan Uggly SS-Jose Reyes 3B-Alex Rodriguez OF-Vernon Wells OF-Alex Rios OF-Jayson Werth DH-Adam Dunn SP-John Lackey SP-AJ Burnett SP-Barry Zito SP-Carlos Zambrano SP-Johan Santana RP-Rafael Soriano CL-Jonathan Papelbon That whole outfield is former Blue Jays, take that suckers! |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 4, 2012 0:47:02 GMT -5
A-Rod's 2009 Playoffs makes his contract worth it. It's not uncommon for a team to go a decade without winning the World Series in this era since all 8 teams that make the Playoffs have the same chance of winning and now we are going to go to a 10 team Playoff format.
So you figure we signed A-Rod to a 10 year deal after the 2007 season and already won a World Series in the first 4 years of the deal.....and he's one of the main reasons.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 4, 2012 9:12:31 GMT -5
A-Rod's 2009 Playoffs makes his contract worth it. It's not uncommon for a team to go a decade without winning the World Series in this era since all 8 teams that make the Playoffs have the same chance of winning and now we are going to go to a 10 team Playoff format. So you figure we signed A-Rod to a 10 year deal after the 2007 season and already won a World Series in the first 4 years of the deal.....and he's one of the main reasons. Thats unacceptable for the Yankees! And that contract is going to hurt them going forward, it only gets worse as he gets older. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 4, 2012 9:46:44 GMT -5
A-Rod's 2009 Playoffs makes his contract worth it. It's not uncommon for a team to go a decade without winning the World Series in this era since all 8 teams that make the Playoffs have the same chance of winning and now we are going to go to a 10 team Playoff format. So you figure we signed A-Rod to a 10 year deal after the 2007 season and already won a World Series in the first 4 years of the deal.....and he's one of the main reasons. Thats unacceptable for the Yankees! And that contract is going to hurt them going forward, it only gets worse as he gets older. The Yankees don't get hurt by bad contracts though so the argument is kind of specious. They've signed all kinds of guys to bad contracts over the years, but it has no impact on their ability to sign other guys. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 4, 2012 10:33:54 GMT -5
............it did this offseason. Same with the Red Sox, and it will continue until they are under the luxury tax.
I am not saying its going to break the Yankees, but to tell me that A-Rods 10 year deal doesnt have an effect on the Yankees and their moves is silly
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 4, 2012 12:01:44 GMT -5
............it did this offseason. Same with the Red Sox, and it will continue until they are under the luxury tax. I am not saying its going to break the Yankees, but to tell me that A-Rods 10 year deal doesnt have an effect on the Yankees and their moves is silly You think in the 10 years of that contract that the Yankees aren't going to make somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 million in ticket sales, YES Network revenue and other Yankees/Alex Rodriguez merchandise? The Yanks will be fine. They won't be applying for food stamps anytime soon. |
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