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Post by ICW on Feb 16, 2012 14:15:44 GMT -5
Yooooo Ralpho, forgot to remind you to make the league yesterday.
My bad.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 16, 2012 17:19:14 GMT -5
R.I.P. Gary Carter
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 16, 2012 17:19:19 GMT -5
Yooooo Ralpho, forgot to remind you to make the league yesterday. My bad. 'Already made, PM me your email address |
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Feb 16, 2012 17:35:26 GMT -5
RIP  |
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Post by MC2 on Feb 16, 2012 18:11:24 GMT -5
Heard on ESPN AJ Burnett will most likely not be a Yankee by the end of the weekend.
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Post by Chip on Feb 16, 2012 21:51:00 GMT -5
Burnett rejected the Abreu thing because he absolutely does NOT want to play for a west coast team. wherever his house is on the east coast (maryland i think...  ) his wife wants to stay there and not travel west. Burnett either ends up on the Pirates...or ive head a rumor of him to the Indians for Hafner Pretty sure he and his wife got a divorce a year or so ago, that was what the big hub bub was about with him sucking balls (the 2nd time). Personally I think its kinda dumb, you have the chance to go play for the Angels and at least compete for a World Series....OR you're going to the Pirates and will never finish over .500. no he's still married...or married to someone else. i read it on the Yankees site in the Burnett-Pirates news report "Burnett's contract with the Yankees includes a list of 10 teams he cannot be traded to. The New York Post reported last week that all of those clubs are on the West Coast; Burnett's wife, Karen, dislikes flying from their Maryland home." |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 17, 2012 10:56:59 GMT -5
The guy earns $16.5 million a year. Do you know how many people in the US would gladly fly all the way across the country every single week if they had to for $16.5 million a year? Every single freaking one of them. (Except for the 1% who make more than that.) She can get over it.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 17, 2012 12:23:19 GMT -5
The guy earns $16.5 million a year. Do you know how many people in the US would gladly fly all the way across the country every single week if they had to for $16.5 million a year? Every single freaking one of them. (Except for the 1% who make more than that.) She can get over it. He has a NTC for that very reason, so why wouldnt he invoke it? |
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Post by ICW on Feb 17, 2012 13:04:12 GMT -5
According to Ken Rosenthal, Joel Sherman and Jon Heyman: the Yankees and Pirates have reached an agreement. A.J. Burnett is headed to the Pirates for two, lower-level prospects. The Pirates will eat $13MM of the $33MM that is owed to Burnett through the next two seasons.
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Rotation heading into the offseason: Sabathia/Nova/Burnett/Garcia/Hughes
Rotation heading into Spring Training: Sabathia/Pineda/Kuroda/Nova/Hughes or Garcia.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 17, 2012 13:20:49 GMT -5
Wow....eating $20 million just to get rid of a guy. Horrible move. Addition by subtraction doesn't apply in this situation. He will be back in the AL by Mid-Season. Stupid move by the Yankees. They'll pay for it, I'm sure when he's traded to a Playoff team and we probably get beat by him in the Playoffs.
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Post by Chip on Feb 17, 2012 13:47:16 GMT -5
such a shame really...I thought Burnett was going to be just unstoppable next to CC.
well, at least he got a ring so it wasn't all for waste.
it does seem kind of stupid to basically eat $20,000,000. Lets just hope their current rotation stays healthy
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Post by ICW on Feb 17, 2012 14:03:31 GMT -5
Wow....eating $20 million just to get rid of a guy. Horrible move. Addition by subtraction doesn't apply in this situation. He will be back in the AL by Mid-Season. Stupid move by the Yankees. They'll pay for it, I'm sure when he's traded to a Playoff team and we probably get beat by him in the Playoffs. I've been thinking of a response to this. I thought about just calling you an idiot and leaving it at that. I thought about writing a long and detailed essay on just how wrong you are but is that really worth the time? Will you come to understand how misguided you are? Look, Lorenzo... A.J. Burnett has been awful these past two seasons. In fact, Burnett has been historically awful these past two seasons. He had a very effective 2009 (4.04 ERA, 4.23 xFIP). Those numbers are better suited for a number 3 starter but, all things considered, not bad at all. He also was a contributor to the 2009 World Series Title; all Yankees fans should remember that Game 2 performance. After 2009, it all went down hill. In 2010, his ERA was 5.26 and his xFIP 4.83. The xFIP shows his season wasn't as bad as his ERA indicates but it's still a really high number - especially for a supposed #2 starter that's earning $16.5 million per season. In 2011, ERA of 5.15 but an xFIP of 3.88. Still, he managed to produce one his highest BB/9, ERA+ of 86 and his WAR (Wins Above Replacement) was 1.5. That means Burnett was worth just 1.5 wins compared to a regular Triple-A starter. Those are not the numbers a $16.5MM per season pitcher puts up. A.J. Burnett has been an awful starting pitcher for the Yankees who pitched a couple of gems throughout his time. There is no reason, however, to keep him on the team. He's simply not a better option than Hughes/Garcia/Phelps/Warren/Mitchell. You might not believe that because you tend to look at Yankees with rose-colored glasses on but it's true. Simply put, there is no reason to keep him on the team. Sure, he gave the Yankees a ton of innings (which is ironic because the biggest question mark surrounding him was his health) but they were pretty bad and ineffective innings. He also had this tendency to start off the season really well and then completely collapse towards the second half (when the Yankees needed him the most). I won't hate Burnett the same way I hate Pavano or Wright because, yes, Burnett actually went out on the mound and [tried. He did try and there's no taking that away from him but, in the end, he was simply ineffective. As for his post-season stats, Burnett has started 7 games (all for the Yansks) and is 2-2 with a 5.08 ERA. He had two decent post-season performances while the rest were horrific. There's also the question of his relationship with Girardi. Remember last season when Joe took him out of a game and it appeared Burnett and him exchanged heated words? They both denied it, of course, but everyone else saw what happened. There's also that mysterious black-eye he had during the 2010 season (I hope the reasoning comes out). There was also that nonsense that Burnett wasn't be effective because Dave Eliand, the pitching coach at the time, was taking a leave of absence. This fear you have of former Yankees coming back to haunt us is insane. Burnett will not be traded to an AL team and if he does...who cares? There is NOTHING that indicates he'll suddenly become the Burnett circa 2008 or even 2009. He's lost velocity on his fastball, his curve is erratic at times, etc. Burnett brought some life back to the Yankees along with Swisher and Damon. He was a goofy, fun guy and fans loved the pies in the face after a walk-off win. But because he's a good guy doesn't mean they should've kept him on the team. He was awful and he doesn't deserve a spot in the rotation. The Yankees can use this money to sign a left-handed DH (hope it's not Ibanez but sounds like it) and bring back Eric Chavez. Maybe by trading Burnett they'll have money to make a mid-season acquisition if the need is there. Per Danny Knobler:His ERA for the three years (4.79) is the highest in Yankee history for anyone allowed to make 80 or more career starts. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 17, 2012 14:11:43 GMT -5
Sorry.....still doesn't make sense to me. And it's not a "Yankee" move either. Brian Cashman is the guy that over the last few years has decided not to make really awesome moves that would help the team because they were $2-$5 million more than he was willing to spend. But now he's just willing to eat $20 million dollars and get nothing in return.
I ask this question again....do you really think it would be MORE damaging to the team to let A.J. Burnett try and pitch every 5th day as the 5th starter than to basically take $20 million dollars out in the backyard and have a big bonfire with it, which is what the Yankees just did.
And whoopee, now we can have Eric Chavez back so he can spend another 90 games on the DL. And the Yankees will probably sign Ibanez and he sucks. If they were going to get rid of Burnett anyway I'd almost rather he just have accepted the move to the Angels so we could have gotten Bobby Abreu.
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Post by ICW on Feb 17, 2012 14:21:38 GMT -5
Sorry.....still doesn't make sense to me. And it's not a "Yankee" move either. Brian Cashman is the guy that over the last few years has decided not to make really awesome moves that would help the team because they were $2-$5 million more than he was willing to spend. But now he's just willing to eat $20 million dollars and get nothing in return. I ask this question again....do you really think it would be MORE damaging to the team to let A.J. Burnett try and pitch every 5th day as the 5th starter than to basically take $20 million dollars out in the backyard and have a big bonfire with it, which is what the Yankees just did.And whoopee, now we can have Eric Chavez back so he can spend another 90 games on the DL. And the Yankees will probably sign Ibanez and he sucks. If they were going to get rid of Burnett anyway I'd almost rather he just have accepted the move to the Angels so we could have gotten Bobby Abreu. To answer your question, yes. Burnett is one of the most ineffective starting pitchers in Yankees HISTORY! What evidence is there that he'll magically become even an acceptable fifth starter? Why does Burnett deserve a spot over Hughes (who's still just 25!!) or even Garica? Hell, why does he deserve a spot over Phelps/Warren/Mitchell?!?! Lorenzo, no matter which way you slice it, Burnett has been AWFUL. Period. Getting rid of a portion of his contract will be a help. Maybe Ibanez is just a smoke screen to get Damon to lower his asking price. I agree with you that I'd rather spend the money elsewhere but Damon is probably too expensive (considering the type of player he is) and Matsui's knees are shot (plus he had an awful season in 2010). You are so damn perplexing. |
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Post by MC2 on Feb 17, 2012 14:36:18 GMT -5
Damn, sad to see AJ go, I guess I'm one of the few Yankee fans who hoped he could turn it around.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 17, 2012 14:43:49 GMT -5
I cant wait for AJB to post a 3.20 ERA in the NL, and have Lorenzo's head explode
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Post by ICW on Feb 17, 2012 14:51:26 GMT -5
I cant wait for AJB to post a 3.20 ERA in the NL, and have Lorenzo's head explode SHOULD'VE KEPT! |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 17, 2012 14:57:49 GMT -5
So my bet is Phil Hughes spending at least 97 games on the DL....what do you guys have?
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Post by Chip on Feb 17, 2012 14:59:00 GMT -5
I wanted AJ to suceed in NY, real bad. I always hated when the Yankees faced him while he was a Blue Jay and he was one of those guys I'd always say "damn I wish he was a Yankee"
After 2010 I thought he would turn it around, I think I said it in the 2011 season thread that AJB would be fine last year. He proved us all wrong again.
Is it worth eating 20mil? Eh...at this point, mine as well cut your losses and get a few prospects instead of playing out the contract on the slim-to-none chance he gets his craptogether....to which he just leaves via free agency and they get nothing.
Not to mention, what happens if AJB sucked WORSE in 2012? Then he would have been absolutely untradeable in '13 and you eat the remainder of his salary in a buyout anyway.
I see the Yankees reasoning behind it. It just sucks that it had to come to this.
Like I said before, at least 2009 happened the way it did, without him the Yankees may not have had #27.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 17, 2012 15:04:13 GMT -5
A.J. went 11-11 last year.......what other team had a 5th starter that got them 11 wins?
It just looks bad because he came here as a #2 and was making $16.5 million dollars that he be demoted to the status of a "#5".......but realistically, that's all he would have to be to us this year.
If:
Sabathia wins 19 or 20
Nova can win 15+
Pineda can win 15+
Kuroda could get you 12+
Burnett gets you 12+
That's at least 74 wins just out of your rotation right there. And I believe Nova and Pineda, with the Yankees offense, could get us more along the lines of 15 to 18 instead of 12 to 15. And I think as the 5th starter Burnett could give us way more than 12 and being at .500.
But we'll never know now....
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