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Post by sincityhero on Jan 6, 2008 5:14:43 GMT -5
Which came first?
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jan 6, 2008 8:30:38 GMT -5
Well... between Sting's deathlock and Bret Hart's sharpshooter, Sting was first by a few years. But neither guy invented the move (Riki Choshu is most often credited for it). Sting was using the scorpion deathlock in the late 1980s in the NWA/WCW, while Bret Hart didn't incorporate the sharpshooter into his playbook until the early 1990s. I'm sure the move was used in the U.S. before Sting and Bret though, as it was more popularly called a reverse figure four until guys started giving their finishers cool names. In Japan, where Choshu made the move popular, it's called a sasori-gatame. |
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 6, 2008 8:43:11 GMT -5
Well... between Sting's deathlock and Bret Hart's sharpshooter, Sting was first by a few years. But neither guy invented the move (Riki Choshu is most often credited for it). Sting was using the scorpion deathlock in the late 1980s in the NWA/WCW, while Bret Hart didn't incorporate the sharpshooter into his playbook until the early 1990s. I'm sure the move was used in the U.S. before Sting and Bret though, as it was more popularly called a reverse figure four until guys started giving their finishers cool names. In Japan, where Choshu made the move popular, it's called a sasori-gatame. Correct for 10 points!!! And i thought i was gonna have to type out a long explanation. |
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Post by Eyce on Jan 6, 2008 8:53:55 GMT -5
Wrong. It was the Shoopion Dethklok.
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Post by Rog on Jan 6, 2008 17:54:25 GMT -5
I'm sure the move was used in the U.S. before Sting and Bret though, as it was more popularly called a reverse figure four until guys started giving their finishers cool names. 'Gentleman' Chris Adams was one of the first wrestlers to use it in the US around the early to mid 80's and he called it the Superlock. |
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Post by guygardner on Jan 7, 2008 22:54:05 GMT -5
I recall a story where Konnan says he was the one to get Bret to use the move on a Japanese tour. I don't know if it's true or not, as I haven't had time to read Bret's new book yet.
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Post by fallenhero on Jan 8, 2008 2:33:55 GMT -5
Riki Choshu's sasoregatame came first.
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Post by lugerfan1 on Jan 9, 2008 3:11:55 GMT -5
Yeah, Bret admitted he saw Sting do it and asked if anyone knew how to apply it. Konnan showed him how.
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