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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 17:40:54 GMT -5
feud building is a lost art.
look at the Mega Powers break up.......Vince sowed the seed of that bad boy at Summerslam 88!!!!
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 13, 2011 17:43:26 GMT -5
feud building is a lost art. look at the Mega Powers break up.......Vince sowed the seed of that bad boy at Summerslam 88!!!! true! i saw it! when Hogan picked up Elizabeth and was hugging her, Savage had this...just this unbelieving,evil,pissed off face with his arms stretched out like he was saying "What the hell you doing touching my woman??!!" all my friends thought i was nuts....NYAH NYAH to them!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 4:55:42 GMT -5
feud building is a lost art. look at the Mega Powers break up.......Vince sowed the seed of that bad boy at Summerslam 88!!!! true! i saw it! when Hogan picked up Elizabeth and was hugging her, Savage had this...just this unbelieving,evil,pissed off face with his arms stretched out like he was saying "What the hell you doing touching my woman??!!" all my friends thought i was nuts....NYAH NYAH to them! oh yes!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 10:06:34 GMT -5
true! i saw it! when Hogan picked up Elizabeth and was hugging her, Savage had this...just this unbelieving,evil,pissed off face with his arms stretched out like he was saying "What the hell you doing touching my woman??!!" all my friends thought i was nuts....NYAH NYAH to them! oh yes!!! Yeah! That was awesome how they did that. It was really slow and subtle, just little looks here and there from Savage, but it was enough to make you think "Woah, did you see Savage?" I remember the end of Summerslam '98 and Survivor Series '99, Savage looking a little pissed both times. These days they'd have Savage bash Hogan with a chair to make the same point hahaha...
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Post by cyantist on Apr 14, 2011 14:28:20 GMT -5
Self destruction of Ultimate Warrior is a terrible DVD. I wouldn't pick it up at all. Nothing but propaganda to make UW look terrible and the WWE as giving him chance after chance. I only picked it up because I didn't know at the time and it was only £2
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 19:35:17 GMT -5
Self destruction of Ultimate Warrior is a terrible DVD. I wouldn't pick it up at all. Nothing but propaganda to make UW look terrible and the WWE as giving him chance after chance. I only picked it up because I didn't know at the time and it was only £2 lots of whats on there is true though.I know its an exercise in burial but he did act like a child regularly.
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Post by gelatinoustapeworm on Apr 14, 2011 21:18:52 GMT -5
Wrestlemania VII holds up pretty well today and is one of my favorites. -Hot opener (rockers/barbarian/haku) -very good tag match in nastys/harts -the blindfold match was a hot fued and stipulation made sense and i think the match was pulled off as good as you could. Gets a bad rap because not great for repeated viewing. -Savage/Warrior was a classic from the build up to match to the post match reunion - Perfect/Bossman and Dibiase/Virgil were red hot feuds at the time that provided decent matches that could of been more memorable had they gotten more time and/or a clean winner. - Slaughter/ Hogan was actually a very good match, especially considering the participants and that everyone knew hogan was winning. I think WMVII is much better then VI and I'd argue just as good if not a tad bit better then VIII (tough call) I am also a big fan of WMVII and that time period (90-92) in general. The show was completely underrated then and still is to this day. The above post sums up why I feel this was a great show that still holds up today. I would also include the DiBiase-Virgil match, as IMAW mentioned. I loved the moment at the end with Virgil telling Piper to get up also. That is an example of great storytelling. I would also agree that WMVII was better than VI. WMVI was a one match show for sure. The rest of the card was pretty weak(although I do remember going nuts when Demolition beat Andre and Haku). I would rank VII and VIII very closely. I really enjoyed Savage-Flair and Hart-Piper, so I would probably put VIII slightly ahead of VII. Awesome thread guys! This is why I love the Classic section. You can have a civil conversation without the complaining and arguing you get in the WWE section. I wish I had more to add about the topic, but I think you guys have covered it pretty well, lol!
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Post by wyleecyotee on Apr 15, 2011 5:59:09 GMT -5
My favourite "classic" Mania not including attitude era and onwards.
Did not know anything about the crowd when I watched it until I got the internet, I'm glad they did change though as I loved everything about the arena.
The card has everything thats needed, all wrestlers on show and good matches placed in the middle of short ones. The emotion in Savage/Warrior was so easy to get into even as a child who had little idea about what was happening between Savage and Liz. Being young I loved Hogan so when he came back after the chair shot with blood pouring from his face was the ultimate kids dream.
The quick paced opener with the Rockers is always fun to watch and the tag title match is definitely underrated.
Only downside is the Short LOD/P&G match but overall this with the star spangled theme and the red white and blue design its definitely one of my all time favourite WM's.
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Post by Raine on Apr 15, 2011 7:25:27 GMT -5
Dunno what it is but these classic PPV themes really make it for me.
The old Survivor Series theme when Vince used to name the members of the teams I thought was brilliant also.
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Post by PVA on Apr 15, 2011 18:53:20 GMT -5
To whoever mentioned Bulldog/Warlord being a good big man match is right. Just went back and watched that match. It was a lot better then I remembered plus the crowd was red hot for it too.
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 15, 2011 19:15:31 GMT -5
WM VII is highly underrated (and much better,and more entertaining,than the more highly-touted WM V ,which to me was a one-trick pony with only Hogan-Savage being good....IMHO,anyway)...
i think it gets kind of a bad rap because it felt like a cash-in on the Gulf War,what with the Iraqi Sympathizer angle for Slaughter and the general Red,White, and Blue / Stars and Stripes feel and atmosphere to the event....
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Post by twinn on Apr 15, 2011 22:12:48 GMT -5
I just now found this thread and got done reading thru every post and had to say that this is one of the best threads I've ever seen on Wfigs. Goddamn I miss my classic wrestling
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Post by No Brokeback on Apr 17, 2011 1:49:05 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 7 was easily one of (if not, the best) Wrestlemania in my opinion. However, I didn't know the attendance was so low.
But man, the matches were all fun to watch. Macho Man/Liz/Warrior Blind Fold Match Hogan/Slaughter Undertakers first win (it was fun to watch Snuka just get dominated) Rockers were always entertaining Virgil on crutches, talking to Piper
It was just moment after moment and it was all entertaining.
The Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD was entertaining, but I couldn't stand it. I still don't understand why they would make a DVD smearing the name of one of the top talent from when I was a kid. I loved the Ultimate Warrior, his music, his look, he was pretty much an action star in real life, that I could watch whenever WWE was on.
His matches were usually quick, served the purpose of pumping me up, and I couldn't get enough.
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 17, 2011 7:05:57 GMT -5
keep in mind that 1991 was also the beginning of the "downturn" in wrestling,too.... the kids who grew up on it in the 80's with Rock and Wrestling were now in their teens and finding other things more interesting,as most teenagers do.... plus,there was a recession in the country at the time - obviously NOT as bad as the one we just went through - but it was still there,so disposable income for something like WM wasn't as readily available... plus,i've read books and interviews where it was said that WWF reached the peak from 1987 - 1989/1990 , then started the trend of going downhill...ppv numbers were down , ratings were down,attendance was down... part of that was losing the "casual" viewer too....wrestling wasn't the red-hot thin like it was in the mid-80's anymore,so they moved on to the next thing.... so couple the economy, pissing people off by exploiting a war, kids who watched religiously growing up, and losing it's status as the "hot" thing of the moment i think all added together to make ticket sales lethargic... now,you can,rightly, bring up WM VIII , selling like 60,000 tickets or so.... how can it be in a downward trend with that many people? simple : Hogan vs Flair...you already had tickets on sale before the announcement ,so you probably already sold 15,000 - 20,000 tickets to the wrestling fans in the area plus the fans who wanted to go to a WM....BUT putting the "Dream Match" of all time as the main event,the match no one ever though they'd see,i feel really put the asses in the seats,as it were,as you not only attracted wrestling fans all over the world who wanted to see this match,but probably a ton of NWA fans,who wanted to see their guy go against the WWF's #1 guy... in 1991 and well into 1992 fans were STILL chanting "We want Flair!" at NWA events all over the country after he left,so the rabid fanbase for him was still there....so i think THAT is what brought all those fans there.... and then Vince screwed everyone over about a month later and changed it! i remember Hogan saying that Flair vs Hogan at WM was the match EVERYONE felt would jumpstart the WWF again,and get things rolling back to the "good old days" ,and both Flair and himself were astounded and confused when Vince changed it....
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Post by PVA on Apr 17, 2011 8:14:36 GMT -5
Regarding Flair vs Hogan; as much of a mega match that would of been and a match that should of happened at a PPV and Wrestlemania would of made perfect sense. Not sure if the end result would of been better in what we got in Savage/ Flair.
I'd hate to see Savage being the odd man out...again. After Savage lost the belt to Hogan at V, he was kinda put to the side and forgotten about until the Warrior feud. Which is a shame since he was one of the rare guys who had the popularity as well as in ring abilities that could shine.
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Post by No Brokeback on Apr 17, 2011 13:29:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly. But watching the 'History of Wrestlemania' DVD, they mentioned that Hogan would only work with Sgt Slaughter during that time period. At least for Wrestlemania.
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 17, 2011 13:37:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly. But watching the 'History of Wrestlemania' DVD, they mentioned that Hogan would only work with Sgt Slaughter during that time period. At least for Wrestlemania. that was 1991..... WM VIII was in 1992....at that point Slaughter "Wanted his country back!" and turned face again.... you just got the year's mixed up....i have no doubt Hogan said that though,as he didn't want anyone else to overshadow him for WM VII....
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Post by machomadness on Apr 17, 2011 13:42:20 GMT -5
I think I remember hearing that about Hogan (regarding Slaughter) as well. As for the Hogan vs Flair, I think the constant use of them in MSG shows and in tag matches at SNME really dulled the build up (plus after it happened once, ticket sales werent all that amazing). WM8 should have been the very first time both those guys step in a ring together. Even with their egos so big they cant decide an end, I would have settled with a double count out or Hogan winning by DQ (Perfect interfere and beat down Hogan along with Flair until Warrior makes the save).
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 17, 2011 13:51:46 GMT -5
yeah,the Slaughter thing was Hogan's idea for a few months there...suppossedly he and Vince came up with the Iraqi Sympathizer angle, with the idea to build it up to WM VII with the "American Hero" Hogan defending the integrity of the USA against the turncoat...
HOWEVER, the political maneuvering came about with Hogan convincing Vince to give Slaughter the belt to make it a World Championship match,and therefore the Main Event (and get the focus back on Hogan) , rather than the original plan of it being an undercard match and the REAL Main Event being WWF World Champion The Ultimate Warrior vs Randy Savage....
at least that's what i've heard....
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Post by No Brokeback on Apr 17, 2011 15:00:39 GMT -5
yeah,the Slaughter thing was Hogan's idea for a few months there...suppossedly he and Vince came up with the Iraqi Sympathizer angle, with the idea to build it up to WM VII with the "American Hero" Hogan defending the integrity of the USA against the turncoat... HOWEVER, the political maneuvering came about with Hogan convincing Vince to give Slaughter the belt to make it a World Championship match,and therefore the Main Event (and get the focus back on Hogan) , rather than the original plan of it being an undercard match and the REAL Main Event being WWF World Champion The Ultimate Warrior vs Randy Savage.... at least that's what i've heard.... Although I liked how Wrestlemania VII turned out. It would have been a much more powerful moment if Sherry turned on Randy Savage after he would have lost the WWF championship. I'd understand more that Randy had lost everything, and she wanted no part of him. Speaking of, since I don't really remember. What happened to Sherry after she turned on Macho? Who did she end up managing afterwards?
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