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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 13, 2011 15:37:36 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you, but the colonists thumbing their nose at King George was also disrespectful. Nothing necessarily wrong with being disrespectful towards a country that you hate. Just don't get pissed off when people point out that you're being disrespectful. You hate the US. You hate the soldiers. You hate the country. Fine. Go move. I hate the "Love it or leave it" mentality. Fair enough. Either leave or actively work to make it better. Sitting on your ass and disrespecting the armed forces changes absolutely nothing. If you hate your country that much, either get off your ass and go work to change it or get off your ass and go someplace else. People who sit around and bitch and do nothing to change something piss me off. You have the ability and the right to lobby your representatives, campaign for proposals/candidates you like or run for office yourself. Instead you choose to say f*** you to the soldiers and the government and do nothing to change it. |
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 13, 2011 15:37:08 GMT -5
I don't say 'under god' due to it being against my beliefs.
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Post by Quanthor on Apr 13, 2011 15:40:39 GMT -5
Boy that, Kevin....he's a real jerk.
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Post by slappy on Apr 13, 2011 15:43:16 GMT -5
I hate the "Love it or leave it" mentality. Fair enough. Either leave or actively work to make it better. Sitting on your ass and disrespecting the armed forces changes absolutely nothing. If you hate your country that much, either get off your ass and go work to change it or get off your ass and go someplace else. People who sit around and bitch and do nothing to change something piss me off. You have the ability and the right to lobby your representatives, campaign for proposals/candidates you like or run for office yourself. Instead you choose to say f*** you to the soldiers and the government and do nothing to change it. I don't think saying  you to soldiers is appropriate at all but if we are talking about that in a symbolic way because of not standing/saying the pledge then that's ridiculous. Can't really lobby your representative unless you have millions to donate to their campaigns. |
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Post by MC2 on Apr 13, 2011 15:49:41 GMT -5
In my school we say the pledge everyday. I'll let you know, I am a patriotic person, but I just don't get it, what does saying it EVERY day prove exactly? We get it, were Americans, cool story bro.
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Post by Rule 30 on Apr 13, 2011 15:54:05 GMT -5
Honestly, it's a pledge. Aren't we supposed to say a pledge once, because, well, it's a pledge? Ever since the seventh grade to 12th grade I said it once a year, but I stood up every other day.
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Post by Quanthor on Apr 13, 2011 16:06:51 GMT -5
Honestly, it's a pledge. Aren't we supposed to say a pledge once, because, well, it's a pledge? Ever since the seventh grade to 12th grade I said it once a year, but I stood up every other day. Apparently this pledge has an expiration.. |
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Post by canusmelltheheat on Apr 13, 2011 16:30:16 GMT -5
You know i had a similar problem with my son. he refused to stand, and i was mad at him, but after he explained himself, i relised that he had a point. He said he doesnt stand because he isnt trully free in that school, and he is right.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 13, 2011 16:38:29 GMT -5
You know i had a similar problem with my son. he refused to stand, and i was mad at him, but after he explained himself, i relised that he had a point. He said he doesnt stand because he isnt trully free in that school, and he is right. What does it mean to "not be truly free"? |
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Post by Rule 30 on Apr 13, 2011 16:44:56 GMT -5
Honestly, it's a pledge. Aren't we supposed to say a pledge once, because, well, it's a pledge? Ever since the seventh grade to 12th grade I said it once a year, but I stood up every other day. Apparently this pledge has an expiration.. I'd say it once a year because teachers in my old schools were so quick to judge..... |
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Post by Marzec on Apr 13, 2011 17:34:46 GMT -5
I hate the "Love it or leave it" mentality. Fair enough. Either leave or actively work to make it better. Sitting on your ass and disrespecting the armed forces changes absolutely nothing. If you hate your country that much, either get off your ass and go work to change it or get off your ass and go someplace else. People who sit around and bitch and do nothing to change something piss me off. You have the ability and the right to lobby your representatives, campaign for proposals/candidates you like or run for office yourself. Instead you choose to say f*** you to the soldiers and the government and do nothing to change it. Dr. Hulk, it's not often that I agree with you. As a matter of fact, your posts have pissed me off quite a bit at times. That being said, as a disabled Navy veteran, I thank you. You hit the nail right on the head with this post. Not having the respect to stand for the Pledge is like spitting in the face of every person who took the oath to join the military and defend this country. If people do not want to say the pledge, fine. That is their right. But they should at least have the respect for the military to stand up. As far as the douche-nozzle who refused to stand because he was protesting George Bush, the Pledge is not about Bush or Obama or any other single person. It is an oath stating that you will stand by your country. Hence the name Pledge of Allegiance. And on a side note, to everybody bitching about Bush because "He forced our military to fight a war that they dont want to fight",guess what? Every man and woman knew the risk when they took that oath. It doesnt matter if they agreed with it or if they liked Bush or not. That is their job. As a matter of fact, I was in the Navy when he took office and when the war started and I can say that out of the 5300 people on my ship, very few had issues with the war. Hell, most of the people I knew were Bush supporters. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 13, 2011 17:43:17 GMT -5
If I could add some fuel to my own fire here, I'd also like to ask how not standing/saying the pledge is disrespectful to the military in the first place. Keeping in mind my previous statements in regards to the US Armed Forces - it's not a pledge to the country, the president, or the military. It's a pledge to a flag, which, to me, is a very archaic symbol to rally behind.
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Post by slappy on Apr 13, 2011 21:20:15 GMT -5
Fair enough. Either leave or actively work to make it better. Sitting on your ass and disrespecting the armed forces changes absolutely nothing. If you hate your country that much, either get off your ass and go work to change it or get off your ass and go someplace else. People who sit around and bitch and do nothing to change something piss me off. You have the ability and the right to lobby your representatives, campaign for proposals/candidates you like or run for office yourself. Instead you choose to say f*** you to the soldiers and the government and do nothing to change it. Dr. Hulk, it's not often that I agree with you. As a matter of fact, your posts have pissed me off quite a bit at times. That being said, as a disabled Navy veteran, I thank you. You hit the nail right on the head with this post. Not having the respect to stand for the Pledge is like spitting in the face of every person who took the oath to join the military and defend this country. If people do not want to say the pledge, fine. That is their right. But they should at least have the respect for the military to stand up. As far as the douche-nozzle who refused to stand because he was protesting George Bush, the Pledge is not about Bush or Obama or any other single person. It is an oath stating that you will stand by your country. Hence the name Pledge of Allegiance. And on a side note, to everybody bitching about Bush because "He forced our military to fight a war that they dont want to fight",guess what? Every man and woman knew the risk when they took that oath. It doesnt matter if they agreed with it or if they liked Bush or not. That is their job. As a matter of fact, I was in the Navy when he took office and when the war started and I can say that out of the 5300 people on my ship, very few had issues with the war. Hell, most of the people I knew were Bush supporters. How is it disrespectful to military members? You know what is disrespectful to them? Our country turning a blind eye to homeless vets, us turning a blind eye to the mental wounds our soldiers and vets have, etc. Why do we need an oath saying we'll stand by our country? Hell, it's not even a binding oath, so what the hell? |
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Post by Johnny on Apr 13, 2011 21:22:53 GMT -5
When the have you heard the Pledge of Allegiance other than in grade-school? Seriously. I haven't been in a class that's recited it since 5th grade. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Apr 13, 2011 21:27:04 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you, but the colonists thumbing their nose at King George was also disrespectful. Nothing necessarily wrong with being disrespectful towards a country that you hate. Just don't get pissed off when people point out that you're being disrespectful. You hate the US. You hate the soldiers. You hate the country. Fine. Go move. I hate the "Love it or leave it" mentality. Same here. I would love to leave this sh*t hole in a heartbeat if I could afford it. But I can't, so how exactly am I supposed to "leave it" if I can't afford to? Unfortunately I'm stuck here and there's nothing I can do about it. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 13, 2011 21:29:31 GMT -5
I hate the "Love it or leave it" mentality. Same here. I would love to leave this sh*t hole in a heartbeat if I could afford it. But I can't, so how exactly am I supposed to "leave it" if I can't afford to? Unfortunately I'm stuck here and there's nothing I can do about it. While I hate the "love it or leave it" mentality, I also hate that excuse, only because I've heard it just as many times as "love it or leave it". "Oh, I would.........if I could." |
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Post by slappy on Apr 13, 2011 21:32:13 GMT -5
Same here. I would love to leave this sh*t hole in a heartbeat if I could afford it. But I can't, so how exactly am I supposed to "leave it" if I can't afford to? Unfortunately I'm stuck here and there's nothing I can do about it. While I hate the "love it or leave it" mentality, I also hate that excuse, only because I've heard it just as many times as "love it or leave it". "Oh, I would.........if I could." Yes, that's quite annoying too. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 13, 2011 21:35:37 GMT -5
...and really, that leads me to a whole new question on the political spectrum. I can't speak for maybe before 1998-2000, when I actually started paying attention to what was going on in the world, but I seem to remember a time when political discussion never ran this rampant. It, as I remember it, was always a private decision/belief/opinion, at least to us common folk not on Capital Hill making the calls. I remember a few periods in my child hood asking my parents who they voted for, and them telling me as such, that it was something better kept to one's self.
I'm well aware that political discussion has always existed, but when did we start running rampant with using politics to argue over the water cooler?
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 13, 2011 22:27:52 GMT -5
I'm just wondering at what point did I say that I hated this country...or the soldiers that fought/fight for it. The assumptions and the ridicule over this is amazing. I have friends that are veterans, I have friends actively serving, BUT for some reason they find me less offensive then you do hulk...and fine I will be disresptful in your eyes, though I dont agree with your idealism nor your blatant usage of the military and this government as a martyr over an opinion of someones.
And whose to say all I do is just complain, as you like to put it. Your assumptions on people truly amaze me.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 13, 2011 22:28:53 GMT -5
I hate the "Love it or leave it" mentality. Same here. I would love to leave this sh*t hole in a heartbeat if I could afford it. But I can't, so how exactly am I supposed to "leave it" if I can't afford to? Unfortunately I'm stuck here and there's nothing I can do about it. I've never seen anywhere where it's expensive to emigrate. How is it any more expensive to move from the US to some other country than it is to move within the US? Edit: I just went to the web site for Canadian Immigration. I ran their test. You have to get a 67 to qualify to apply. I got an 84 and that is assuming I got a job offer in Canada. No money is needed other than what would be needed to move there. |
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