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Post by Iron Man on Feb 4, 2008 14:48:09 GMT -5
 The New World Order is arguably the best stable in wrestling history. Now in this thread we can discuss the nWo, weather that be The Original nWo with Hall, Nash, and Hogan. nWo Hollywood, nWo Wolfpac, nWo Black and White, nWo 2000, WWF/WWE nWo, Japan nWo, whatever. Discuss what you liked, hated, whatever in this thread! |
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Post by raz2005uk on Feb 4, 2008 16:35:22 GMT -5
Well I think the whole concept of nWo was ground breaking for soo many reasons. Number 1 - it showcased an evil side of Hulk Hogan which was enough shock factor let alone anything else.
Number 2 - It brought a new cutting-edge storyline of ex WWE guys taking over the WCW - possibly giving birth to storylines thereafter in the WWF of having "realism".
Number 3 - It also gave the WCW the ratings it needed to start a real battle with the WWF - which made us witness the greatness of the monday night wars - this period made the WWF stretch its creativity to the limit - having no option but to give the fans the very best every week.
Number 4 - It prompted the WWF to introduce the attitude era - and also fight back with an in your face heel group - Degeneration X. Also we witnessed the birth of one Stone Cold Steve Austin, a new side to the Undertaker, the emergence of the Rock and the supreme heel Vincent Kennedy Mcmahon.
Where did WCW go wrong if they were going in the right direction with the nWo and thumping vince in the ratings??
SIMPLE - as documented - it became routine week after week for the nWo to come out and gang attack somebody. Alot of wrestlers got fed up and wanted to join the nWo instead.
Beginning with an impressive faction of 3 - the group steadily rose to numbers totalling nearly 15-20. Eric Bischoff backstage became very close to Hogan, Hall & Nash - and it seemed they were controlling creative outcomes and bookings.
Hogan, Hall & Nash would always be in main events - or holding titles. Younger workers and upcoming talent never got the pushes they deserved and became frustrated with the company.
Due to the monotony of the nWo, the WWF grabbed the upper hand in the ratings (austin vs.mcmahon).
WCW tried desperately with stars such as Sting & Goldberg but it wasnt enough. Bischoff in desperation tried to keep the nWo fresh with sub - factions - (wolfpac & hollywood). It dawned to late on the WCW that the nWo was no longer hot and by then the WWF had them eating dust in the ratings.
Once again in 2000 when the WCW were desperate they tried to re-create the nWo with bret hart at the helm but the fans were bored of the same old sh it.
Lesson to be learnt - dont try and milk something too much - the fans aren't stupid & dont hold talent back coz they will just go to the competition and become big stars there (Jericho, Benoit, Guerrero etc)
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Post by thetaker13 on Feb 4, 2008 17:34:00 GMT -5
i personally think the open joinings to the nwo killed it
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Post by Juba on Feb 4, 2008 21:06:35 GMT -5
watch MNW it relived how huge this was when it first started...but then it just got played out...Like in the monday night wars dvd didnt big show say it took like 3 or 4 limos just for the NWO...it was ridiclous and out of control...but in the beginning of it it ruled all
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Post by fallenhero on Feb 6, 2008 11:17:02 GMT -5
Freebirds > The nWo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 23:11:15 GMT -5
It was weird seeing Hulk Hogan as a bad guy, but overtime I got used to it.
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Post by sincityhero on Mar 5, 2008 23:34:07 GMT -5
I dont think any other stable can ever match the nWo ever again. Hell stables dont even exsist anymore.
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Post by carly1988 on Mar 6, 2008 5:34:52 GMT -5
The initial nWo idea was great. Doesnt matter what decade of wrestling you are in, gang violence is always good in wrestling. I think the nWo falls in 2nd place all time great stables behind the Horsemen though. 1) because the Horsemen were the originals and 2) from top to bottom the Horsemen were all great stars and athletes where as the nwo had about 5-6 good guys. If the nWo would have been Hogan, Hall, Nash, Syxx and Giant and cut if off there i think nwo could have passed the Horsemen. Them bringing in guys like Adams, Norton, Buff, Vincent, Wallstreet, Horace etc just killed the group to me. I mean the best in the nWo (hogan) imo isnt better then the best in the Horsemen (Flair) and the worse in the nWo (vincent) is 10 times worse then the worse Horseman (Roma)
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Post by moogie101 on Mar 7, 2008 5:22:37 GMT -5
The original idea was done incredibly well, almost flawless booking, then they overdid & added guys to the group for no reason. Then they split the groups up in the pitiful B&W vs. R&W feud.
How can you take something so great & ruin it?
For my money the Four Horsemen were the best group for impact & length of time at the top.
Also honourable mention for The Hart Foundation, incredible group just weren't round long enough
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Post by raz2005uk on Mar 7, 2008 6:52:39 GMT -5
The original idea was done incredibly well, almost flawless booking, then they overdid & added guys to the group for no reason. Then they split the groups up in the pitiful B&W vs. R&W feud. How can you take something so great & ruin it? For my money the Four Horsemen were the best group for impact & length of time at the top. Also honourable mention for The Hart Foundation, incredible group just weren't round long enough Absolutely agree mate - 4 horsemen are legendary - I recall Ric Flair speaking in a shoot interview of how nWo were a blatent rip-off of the horsemen, maybe he was right to a certain extent when the nWo was just originally hogan,hall.nash & bischoff. Ahhh the hart foundation - awesome faction - bret, neidhart, bulldog & pillman - were really entertaining to watch together - 1997 was truly a memorable year for both WWF/WCW. |
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Post by doink317 on Mar 7, 2008 14:24:09 GMT -5
When they first did the whole Outsiders thing with Hall and Nash and the mystery partner thing going into Bast At The Beach 96, with Hogan going heel, I thought it was great. the nWo was great from the start until about I'd say mid-1997. For me at least by mid-1997 it almost seemed like the nWo guys were the good guys. They always won, were always cheered. It was just cool to like them, and plus half the WCW roster was pretty much apart of the nWo, it was just getting ridiculous!
When they also split the nWo into two groups, that didn't help much either. Way to much nWo for me. nWo's first goal was to destroy WCW, and just a couple of years later they split the group apart and pretty much of a heel nWo Hollywood and the face nWo Wolfpac, that to me was just stupid.
Then they tried to fix it by pretty much combining both groups together(Although, leaving the White & Black still with only Stevie Ray, Vincent, and Horace Hogan). When they put the nWo pretty much back together, it just didn't seem the same anymore either. It was just way to large too... plus it was stupid to leave nWo Hollywood together too, considering the fact it was just Stevie Ray, Horace Hogan, and Vincent.... I remember the three of them would argue and get into fights because they all wanted to be the leader of nWo Hollywood... lol
Then a couple of months after that, they finally decided to end the nWo... until Russo came back into WCW, and they decided to bring the nWo back together with the nWo 2000 Sliver and Black, which was just awful. I liked the fact that Bret Hart was actually being used at the time, but it was still a very stupid and didn't work at all. The nWo Sliver and Black lasted just a matter of months though.
So for me, and probably everyone else, nWo was best when they didn't have more then half the roster in the group. It was great when it was just maybe 5-6 members, I also thought it was pretty stupid they had The Giant join the nWo in 1996 only to kick him in 1996, and then bringing the Giant back in the nWo in 1998... The Giant jumped from nWo to WCW way to many times.
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Post by moogie101 on Mar 7, 2008 15:12:59 GMT -5
Ahhh the hart foundation - awesome faction - bret, neidhart, bulldog & pillman - were really entertaining to watch together - 1997 was truly a memorable year for both WWF/WCW. Don't forget Owen Imagine if we hadn't have had the doublecross or the tragedies just how great the Hart Foundation as a faction could have been with a longer run. |
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Post by COCK & BLAST on Mar 7, 2008 16:13:07 GMT -5
Hall and Nash coming into WCW at the beginning was shocking because no one knew what to think. No one knew if they were still with the WWF or not, and Hogan turning at BATB 96 was groundbreaking and one of the biggest moments in wrestling in my opinion. They were heels, and everyone liked them. They made it cool to be bad.
That being said, they started running out of ideas and made the nWo Wolfpack, which was better than the original nWo. At one point, there was a feud between Hall & Nash.... I mean come on, how stupid was that. I hated it.I personally think it would have been better to keep the nWo at: Hogan, Hall, Nash, Syxx, and DiBiase. Maybe even Curt Hennig, because the angle of him joining the nWo when the Horsemen wanted and trusted him was good. Once the Red & Black emerged and all the different divisions of the nWo came about, it started to become played out. 96-mid 98 WCW was amazing.
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