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Post by BCizzle on Apr 17, 2011 22:09:15 GMT -5
We have a lot of idiots in America, but hopefully not enough that Trump can become president.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Apr 17, 2011 22:56:18 GMT -5
We have a lot of idiots in America, but hopefully not enough that Trump can become president. There were enough idiots to get Obama elected, so..... Allow me to defend myself before I get blasted for that comment - The 'idiots' are the people who voted Obama in on the basis of his race, and/or because they like the word 'change' used in repetition. The voters who actually took the time to view Obama as a politician, and believed that he could do a better job than Hillary & McCain, good for you, let's agree to disagree.
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Post by King Silva on Apr 18, 2011 5:18:57 GMT -5
I don't think I would vote for Trump so likely Obama.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 5:24:57 GMT -5
I, personally. Don´t give a who the President is, but I would much rather Obama.
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Post by element386 on Apr 18, 2011 6:19:35 GMT -5
I believe the original question people was who will you be voting for. Nobody ever asked for an explanation. Everyone has different opinions so trying to convince someone of your opinion is a waste of time. With that being said:
TRUMP
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 18, 2011 11:13:38 GMT -5
We have a lot of idiots in America, but hopefully not enough that Trump can become president. There were enough idiots to get Obama elected, so..... Allow me to defend myself before I get blasted for that comment - The 'idiots' are the people who voted Obama in on the basis of his race, and/or because they like the word 'change' used in repetition. The voters who actually took the time to view Obama as a politician, and believed that he could do a better job than Hillary & McCain, good for you, let's agree to disagree. Nobody can CHANGE the government...and ALL politicians make promises they cant keep. I would have rather seen hillary and ever voted for her in the primaries but when it came down to the warmongering McCain and 4 more years of a bush mentality on the world and Obama...well my choice was easy then. And lets all keep in mind that even though I know people will disagree but Clinton did an amazing job and his first two years the people really werent on his side yet because they werent really seeing the fruits of his labor yet. If you dont understand basic politics, then I agree with you, they just shouldnt vote.
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 18, 2011 11:35:57 GMT -5
Nobody can CHANGE the government...and ALL politicians make promises they cant keep. I would have rather seen hillary and ever voted for her in the primaries but when it came down to the warmongering McCain and 4 more years of a bush mentality on the world and Obama...well my choice was easy then. Yes, politicians do make "promises" that they sometimes can't keep... But things like resigning the Patriot Act, which he vehemently opposed on the campaign trail, shows that Obama is just part of the "machine." Also, Obama has just moved the troops around. I love how people act like he's stopping our offensive military action. And no, I don't think McCain would do any better. I'm just saying...
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Post by Squatch on Apr 18, 2011 12:04:36 GMT -5
Wow. If Trump became the president of the United States we would be so f*cked!
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 18, 2011 12:23:39 GMT -5
Nobody can CHANGE the government...and ALL politicians make promises they cant keep. I would have rather seen hillary and ever voted for her in the primaries but when it came down to the warmongering McCain and 4 more years of a bush mentality on the world and Obama...well my choice was easy then. Yes, politicians do make "promises" that they sometimes can't keep... But things like resigning the Patriot Act, which he vehemently opposed on the campaign trail, shows that Obama is just part of the "machine." Also, Obama has just moved the troops around. I love how people act like he's stopping our offensive military action. And no, I don't think McCain would do any better. I'm just saying... Every politician is part of the machine, maybe you view it differently but to me its politics and its the devils games and has been as long as it has existed in the world. I was never against troops being deployed, I was only against being lied to about where and the reasoning behind it. For instance if it had been us deploying then to LITTERALLY look for Bin Laden I would have be ok. OR if he would have openly said that he felt like Saddam was allowed to much freedom to do as he pleased as a violent dictator and wanted to rid the world of him, again I might have been hesitant but he would have been more likely to have gained my support. This country has been known for its efforts to rid the world of people and idealism that most people just take a blind eye to and honestly I dont mind that...its the intent and what is being used as the vehicle for the machine that I worry on NOT the machine itself. It would take a revolution to refound a government more to the liking of most citizens...so all we need is death, a civil war in some right, and chaos momentarily to CHANGE the MACHINE that is government...just for 30 years to pass and it retake its thrown with new faces and maybe a few new ideas and probably more a socialist mentality(not that socialism is completely displeasing)
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 18, 2011 12:36:36 GMT -5
Every politician is part of the machine, maybe you view it differently but to me its politics and its the devils games and has been as long as it has existed in the world. Look past the "R" next to his name and look at what he stands for. This is a man who is not part of the machine. He has a PERFECT voting record in regards to his stances on limited government, individual freedom, and less spending. I was never against troops being deployed, I was only against being lied to about where and the reasoning behind it. For instance if it had been us deploying then to LITTERALLY look for Bin Laden I would have be ok. OR if he would have openly said that he felt like Saddam was allowed to much freedom to do as he pleased as a violent dictator and wanted to rid the world of him, again I might have been hesitant but he would have been more likely to have gained my support. This country has been known for its efforts to rid the world of people and idealism that most people just take a blind eye to and honestly I dont mind that...its the intent and what is being used as the vehicle for the machine that I worry on NOT the machine itself. It would take a revolution to refound a government more to the liking of most citizens...so all we need is death, a civil war in some right, and chaos momentarily to CHANGE the MACHINE that is government...just for 30 years to pass and it retake its thrown with new faces and maybe a few new ideas and probably more a socialist mentality(not that socialism is completely displeasing) You're absolutely right. We need the revolution. Now.
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 18, 2011 13:12:54 GMT -5
Every politician is part of the machine, maybe you view it differently but to me its politics and its the devils games and has been as long as it has existed in the world. Look past the "R" next to his name and look at what he stands for. This is a man who is not part of the machine. He has a PERFECT voting record in regards to his stances on limited government, individual freedom, and less spending. I was never against troops being deployed, I was only against being lied to about where and the reasoning behind it. For instance if it had been us deploying then to LITTERALLY look for Bin Laden I would have be ok. OR if he would have openly said that he felt like Saddam was allowed to much freedom to do as he pleased as a violent dictator and wanted to rid the world of him, again I might have been hesitant but he would have been more likely to have gained my support. This country has been known for its efforts to rid the world of people and idealism that most people just take a blind eye to and honestly I dont mind that...its the intent and what is being used as the vehicle for the machine that I worry on NOT the machine itself. It would take a revolution to refound a government more to the liking of most citizens...so all we need is death, a civil war in some right, and chaos momentarily to CHANGE the MACHINE that is government...just for 30 years to pass and it retake its thrown with new faces and maybe a few new ideas and probably more a socialist mentality(not that socialism is completely displeasing) You're absolutely right. We need the revolution. Now. So your promoting bloodshed and death for a hope of 30 years of an ok government just for it to resink its teeth back in. The world works in cycles and as do most societies.
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Post by slappy on Apr 18, 2011 13:28:34 GMT -5
Look past the "R" next to his name and look at what he stands for. This is a man who is not part of the machine. He has a PERFECT voting record in regards to his stances on limited government, individual freedom, and less spending. You're absolutely right. We need the revolution. Now. So your promoting bloodshed and death for a hope of 30 years of an ok government just for it to resink its teeth back in. The world works in cycles and as do most societies. No need for bloodshed. And the only death should be the Federal Reserve.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Apr 18, 2011 13:45:08 GMT -5
I, personally. Don´t give a who the President is. Agreed, all of them are corrupt pieces of sh*t.
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 18, 2011 14:14:15 GMT -5
So your promoting bloodshed and death for a hope of 30 years of an ok government just for it to resink its teeth back in. The world works in cycles and as do most societies. No need for bloodshed. And the only death should be the Federal Reserve. Then its not a revolution, its just a hopeful idealism backed by a party candidate who will eventually fall in line like the rest....its just not as easy to make things diff. in a government like ours...not the way people and politicians try to make it sound atleast
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Post by slappy on Apr 18, 2011 14:16:35 GMT -5
No need for bloodshed. And the only death should be the Federal Reserve. Then its not a revolution, its just a hopeful idealism backed by a party candidate who will eventually fall in line like the rest....its just not as easy to make things diff. in a government like ours...not the way people and politicians try to make it sound atleast Non-violent revolution. I didn't post anything about a candidate from either party. We do need a revolution but I doubt any politician would be the one to lead it.
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 18, 2011 14:20:39 GMT -5
Then its not a revolution, its just a hopeful idealism backed by a party candidate who will eventually fall in line like the rest....its just not as easy to make things diff. in a government like ours...not the way people and politicians try to make it sound atleast Non-violent revolution. I didn't post anything about a candidate from either party. We do need a revolution but I doubt any politician would be the one to lead it. explain to me how you would go about a "non-violent" revolution that would Permanently change things.
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Post by slappy on Apr 18, 2011 14:31:27 GMT -5
Non-violent revolution. I didn't post anything about a candidate from either party. We do need a revolution but I doubt any politician would be the one to lead it. explain to me how you would go about a "non-violent" revolution that would Permanently change things. Destroy the Federal Reserve. Get our money stable. Eliminate our debt and make sure we don't ever go into so much debt again. Education is key. We can inform people. Wake them up. We don't need violence. They may need violence but we certainly don't need it to change things. A politician would have to lead in Congress but that doesn't mean they'd have to be the one leading it outside of Congress.
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 18, 2011 14:35:20 GMT -5
explain to me how you would go about a "non-violent" revolution that would Permanently change things. Destroy the Federal Reserve. Get our money stable. Eliminate our debt and make sure we don't ever go into so much debt again. Education is key. We can inform people. Wake them up. We don't need violence. They may need violence but we certainly don't need it to change things. A politician would have to lead in Congress but that doesn't mean they'd have to be the one leading it outside of Congress. Ok, those are all great things BUT HOW are you proposing we do that...it sounds so easy but HOW do we get from now to then? what are the steps that your going to put in place...how will it function...what will it be made of?
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Post by slappy on Apr 18, 2011 14:39:37 GMT -5
Destroy the Federal Reserve. Get our money stable. Eliminate our debt and make sure we don't ever go into so much debt again. Education is key. We can inform people. Wake them up. We don't need violence. They may need violence but we certainly don't need it to change things. A politician would have to lead in Congress but that doesn't mean they'd have to be the one leading it outside of Congress. Ok, those are all great things BUT HOW are you proposing we do that...it sounds so easy but HOW do we get from now to then? what are the steps that your going to put in place...how will it function...what will it be made of? We can't force people to listen to us. Do you think every single person in Egypt or Libya was/is out there? Of course not. Only a fraction of them are and they are getting things done. They didn't resort to violence at all. It was the regimes that killed and maimed. We have to educate. When something happens we tell them the truth. We expose what is going on. Do you know how evil the Federal Reserve is?
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 18, 2011 14:42:20 GMT -5
Ok, those are all great things BUT HOW are you proposing we do that...it sounds so easy but HOW do we get from now to then? what are the steps that your going to put in place...how will it function...what will it be made of? We can't force people to listen to us. Do you think every single person in Egypt or Libya was/is out there? Of course not. Only a fraction of them are and they are getting things done. They didn't resort to violence at all. It was the regimes that killed and maimed. We have to educate. When something happens we tell them the truth. We expose what is going on. Do you know how evil the Federal Reserve is? Im with you BUT HOW would you get the US from point A to point B with no violence and in enough time to actually do any good. Again I am all for hopeful ideals but the idea that its as easy as 123 without violence or anything seems ludicrous to me...thats why I am asking you to make me a believer in a non violent way to change the US
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