If it came down to Obama vs. Trump...

Ron Paul has been in Congress for over 20 years and has stayed true to his principals the entire time, unlike practically any other federal representative in our lifetime.

I am 100% confident that Paul would stay true to his principals in the White House.

We've had other revolutions in this country than the American Revolution. For example, the Civil Rights Movement.

But regardless, again, this isn't a revolution in that sense. It's not a certain, small population of people who are trying to gain freedom. It is the heavy majority of people whose personal liberties are being taken every day.



What do you mean, "base your reasoning?"

I'm not saying that a revolution WILL happen. I'm saying that it's something that I'd like to see happen. But for it to happen, action needs to be taken across a wide variety of avenues, not limited to the federal government.

Yes, I am hopeful that people will begin to want freedom and start voting for people who will support that mentality... But I'm certainly not looking at it blindly and saying, "Yep, it's going to happen."



Every year, a new puppet is put up for office by the establishment in the two party system.

Ron Paul has been BLATANTLY targeted by both parties as a threat and someone who they need to avoid creating press about due to the fact that he is simply not willing to play their games.

When the Republicans were trying to put us into the War in Iraq, it was Ron Paul who stood on the House floor and repeatedly said that this is not the right thing to do... When the Democrats pushed Obamacare through, it was Ron Paul who again spoke up against the concept... And when both sides over the past 12 years have racked up TRILLIONS of dollars in new debt, it has been Ron Paul who has put together bills that would both open the books of and even end the Federal Reserve Bank that is helping to put us in this financial crisis.

He doesn't vote along party lines, he doesn't take money from special interest groups, he doesn't play the games that every other candidate for President does.

This is someone who can get Americans to believe that there are people in government who are working for them again. This is change.



There are people who are becoming increasingly comfortable with it, but even judging simply on threads posted on WF, there were also a lot of people who were tired of being sexually assaulted when they wanted to get on an airplane.

There IS a market for freedom. It's just that no one has tried to tap that market because the Democrats and Republicans are trying to push their party agenda of big government, less freedom, and more spending. Ron Paul is for the exact opposite of every one of those things.



When you tell them what? That your parents lost their jobs? I'm not understanding where you're going with this paragraph at all.

Yes, there are people that live in poverty. But that number will only grow if we continue down the path we are on. We are spending a COMPLETELY unsustainable amount of money and that needs to change.



All that we can do is inform people of reality. There isn't any politician who can step in and turn this country around in four or even eight years.

It's a matter of a long term solution as opposed to these patches that we are currently trying to put on things in the forms of government bailouts, increased borrowing, and unimaginable spending.

If we present people with the truth that, in order for things to get better, we have to have a fundamental shift in what we believe the role of government should be; we will be successful.



I don't see how it's a fairy tale at all. We're seeing a lot of it happening already all over the country in local elections, even Federal elections. Just not at the Presidential level yet.

That would be your state not Obama.

I would be scared for the world if Donald Trump was president. Please...don't make it happen guys!

Sincerely,

The rest of the world.

Like I said, I'm not under the impression that it WILL happen, only that it COULD happen if people stopped with this mentality that "We can't do anything, anyway."



The Civil Rights movement absolutely is the whole country. It was a change in philosophy by the MAJORITY of Americans.

Whereas before, it was perfectly OK for someone to say, "Get to the back of the bus, black guy," we now see a world where that kind of thinking is heavily criticized by most people.

Yes, there are still racist people... And with this transition I've been talking about, there would still be people who want the government to run our lives... But I believe that the majority of people are tired of what we have from the Federal Government and want something truly different. They just don't know something different exists.



I guess I just don't understand your debate. You act as if there has never been a fundamental shift in what people are looking for from their government.

If you look at what we had when the country was first 'officially' created to where we are now, you will see that there has been a monumental change. That was created with small changes along the way.

Not only that, but as I've said with the Tea Party movement, we are seeing the effects of what I'm talking about already. So with that being said, I don't understand how you can say that it's impossible when it's already happening.

There are already people saying, "I'm tired of the government running my life." This is exactly the fundamental shift that I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about isn't an overthrow of the government. It's using the existing system to introduce these philosophies into elections at every level, from local City Council on up to the White House... Is it highly unlikely that Ron Paul wins the Presidency? Absolutely. In fact, I would be astonished...

But it's not always about winning either. If Ron Paul got 10% of the popular vote, I have no doubt that this movement would catch on as people would say, "Who is this guy?" and actually look into what he stands for, what he has voted for during his entire stay in Congress, etc.

It wouldn't necessarily be him that gets the push from that, but it could be someone like his son, or another person who supports liberty and freedom over all else.

Do you study people, philosophy, psychology, human interaction, and the cycled mentality of human societies throughout the course of history....this is where my discussion point arrives. People complain but when asked to make the plunge and make it slowly they tend recoil at it on a general sense, thats why most of the southern states are still very racist....not to say that something shouldnt be done I just dont put my hopes on people in this world as you do. This is where I am DISCUSSING from...I was never trying to convince you so it was never a debate.

I have accepted your points and even love the idea if the public can follow through. I dont think a politician is the answer and I will not back Ron Paul or the TEA PARTY...but I think the core idea of change is needed I just dont see a longterm course making it happen. Again, you and slappy know far more on politics then I, and maybe i am just ignorant...my ideals and perspectives are based on what I know and understand...so if it will help you I will concede to you based on my knowledge in comparison to yours.

You're absolutely fine to have your own opinions on things. I'm just here to tell you that there have been far bigger revolutions over the course of time.

This isn't something that requires people to go to war. It's a simple vote.

I don't think Donald Trump is a realistic candidate for President, I'll be honest... I truly believe Ron Paul has a better chance of winning the Republican nomination than Trump does, and Paul doesn't have a very good chance.