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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Apr 18, 2011 19:25:36 GMT -5
When Mattel first started they said they wanted this to be the most complete line of all time....heres hoping they stick to their guns. I want every star that Jakks made(well minus a few here and there EG: Tank Abbot, Johnny Rodz) plus more like Scott Stiener 93...Quebecers, Adrian Adonis, The Rougeous, Hercules, Dino Bravo ect
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Post by Jay "The Brain" Mann [OFSU] on Apr 18, 2011 19:43:25 GMT -5
Where is the announcement? He said it'd be very soon... at 7 AM.
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Post by plastictaxicab on Apr 18, 2011 19:48:16 GMT -5
Where is the announcement? He said it'd be very soon... at 7 AM. I don't think he meant TODAY soon, I think he probably meant within the next few weeks soon.
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Post by azraelms on Apr 18, 2011 19:50:21 GMT -5
I have to think this is going to be good news. Maybe even incorporating everything from above.....
Legends line continues, but sticks at 4 per series.
Legends ALSO appear in the Elite line. Plenty of versions of people from current roster (Undertaker, Kane, Edge, Christian, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels) that they can do, and even currently known signed Legends (Bret Hart, Roddy Piper, Million Dollar Man, Andre the Giant, Randy Savage) with plenty more looks to them to spread out for one or two places in the Legends line or one or two per Elite series.
Randomly have several online exclusive figures a year - weather at Matty.com or at Ringside. These can be the lesser known characters that would not sell as well at retail. Rick Martel actually would be a good example. He will most likely be the pegwarmer from series 5 (if there is a pegwarmer) and would be about the level of fan interest that would do well as an online exclusive. I would think a line like having a Legends Tag Team 3-4 times a year as an online exclusive would be cool - they could do a Tag Team look, and then each member as a single in another line somewhere as a repaint would be a good way for Mattel to keep their costs down, while helping us with more versions of our favorite wrestlers.
With the amount they have to pay a classic wrestler for his likeness, I would not think it would be worth it to be a complete online exclusive line, but it would support some figures online only so the pegs do not get stuck with pegwarmers.
I know plenty of people are against the inclusion of Legends in the Elite line, but that line is getting thin too - the current roster is not as popular to support a whole line by itself, so if they choose to combine the two lines, I can fully understand why they would do that.
Hopefully we will find out quite soon what is up with these lines.
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Post by JKLMD2002 on Apr 18, 2011 19:50:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't want 80s-90s era legends to stay in the Legends line, but I'd definitely be in for an ABA Undertaker or Blue Blood Triple H and other current guys who were around back in the mid 90s who are still wrestling today and guys like Evolution Randy Orton and trunks Cena in their early WWE looks in the Elite line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 20:00:55 GMT -5
Like others here, I do hope it's news which is for the benefit of the line, a line I'm almost up to date on (so far)
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Post by gelatinoustapeworm on Apr 18, 2011 20:17:55 GMT -5
I hope it's good news as well, but I'm not holding my breath. I have not seen much change in the sales of this series in recent months. Series 4 has been just as much of a shelf warmer as the other 3 series, at least in my area.
I was at a Big Lots (of all places) earlier today and they had about 30 figures from the first two series that literally had a layer of dust on them. It's the same way at my local K-Mart.
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Post by The Assassin on Apr 18, 2011 20:19:50 GMT -5
personally i'd like the announcement to be that we will be seeing new legends released more often. in the regular legends line, or mattycollector exclusives, or whatever. figures from current WWE don't interest me, and at the moment I just feel like the legends aren't coming quick enough. or at least not the ones I want to buy.
i used to spend almost all my money on the Jakks CS figures, and I was always excited to see what was coming next. with Jakks basically abandoning/giving up on their LOTR/RA lines, mattel is my only hope for new Legends figures, and to be honest so far i've found the legends sets aren't coming out often enough. and the lineup selections have been too old-school for my liking, or Jakks already made a good-enough CS figure of the star.
simply put, theres loads of legends figures I want, but Mattel isn't delivering many of them and therefore isn't getting as much of my money as they could be. i know i'm not the only customer obviously but speaking just from my point of view, i want to see plenty of new legends, especially from the monday night wars era, especially WCW/nWo and especially guys that Jakks didn't make or made badly.
i also would like to see Mattel do a hugely extensive Legends survey, with virtually every wrestler anyone could name, and us collectors can then tell mattel how interested we are in a figure of each one. similar to the big CS survey Jakks did. it must be extensive though in terms of the amount of superstars listed. perhaps an official "superstar name gathering" topic could be posted here at WF before the survey (the names gathered being used to make the survey of course).
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Post by MachoManiac on Apr 18, 2011 20:29:38 GMT -5
wish i had ambien, no sleep for this Macho Maniac tonight!.. when i was a little kid i played with my Hasbros and i day dreamed in school about having figures of older guys i saw on tapes like Bundy, 1manGang, Dino Bravo, Haku.. so on ... i collected bca moc, sold em all i got into Jakks Classic very late.. then bought via web all my 88-98 Favs red lod, warrior wm6, hogan vs andre.. soo many classics
this Mattel line is amazing, much better quality, awesome memories brought back to life.. like my 92 evil Jake... WOW.. then my all stars Jake.. just look at that moc rick the model martel. Perfect.. i'm very nervous guys, i had to vent.. again.
and no, online excl. would stink.. walkin in2 my TRU and spotting a British Bulldog 97 is a decent rush.. that coming to an end is sad
i'll take what i can get, but i want atleast 6 in ea wave, tag teams even if thats just online excl. or random rare like heritage. DMs - i do love them.. but from a Biz POV cant we all agree it still would rock to have the amazing DM2 Warrior simply in a normal elite package (with different writing).. i dont wish that, but that would really lower retail, thus increase ...
i can go on and on.. but TT1 was a mistake as was sum choice for L1-L4
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 20:46:58 GMT -5
wish i had ambien, no sleep for this Macho Maniac tonight!.. lol Get some sleep, we may not have news for a while, all bill said was 'soon'
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Post by Rob7274 on Apr 19, 2011 7:18:26 GMT -5
When Mattel first started they said they wanted this to be the most complete line of all time....heres hoping they stick to their guns. I want every star that Jakks made(well minus a few here and there EG: Tank Abbot, Johnny Rodz) plus more like Scott Stiener 93...Quebecers, Adrian Adonis, The Rougeous, Hercules, Dino Bravo ect Here Here!!!! Mattel for the most COMPLETE LINE EVER!!!! Hope this is good news.
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Post by Rob7274 on Apr 19, 2011 7:24:28 GMT -5
I have to think this is going to be good news. Maybe even incorporating everything from above..... Legends line continues, but sticks at 4 per series. Legends ALSO appear in the Elite line. Plenty of versions of people from current roster (Undertaker, Kane, Edge, Christian, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels) that they can do, and even currently known signed Legends (Bret Hart, Roddy Piper, Million Dollar Man, Andre the Giant, Randy Savage) with plenty more looks to them to spread out for one or two places in the Legends line or one or two per Elite series. Randomly have several online exclusive figures a year - weather at Matty.com or at Ringside. These can be the lesser known characters that would not sell as well at retail. Rick Martel actually would be a good example. He will most likely be the pegwarmer from series 5 (if there is a pegwarmer) and would be about the level of fan interest that would do well as an online exclusive. I would think a line like having a Legends Tag Team 3-4 times a year as an online exclusive would be cool - they could do a Tag Team look, and then each member as a single in another line somewhere as a repaint would be a good way for Mattel to keep their costs down, while helping us with more versions of our favorite wrestlers. With the amount they have to pay a classic wrestler for his likeness, I would not think it would be worth it to be a complete online exclusive line, but it would support some figures online only so the pegs do not get stuck with pegwarmers. I know plenty of people are against the inclusion of Legends in the Elite line, but that line is getting thin too - the current roster is not as popular to support a whole line by itself, so if they choose to combine the two lines, I can fully understand why they would do that. Hopefully we will find out quite soon what is up with these lines. Rick Martel...PEGWARMER...are you serious the guys an absolute legend and he was a WWE for alot longer than the 3 in his series. He was at many Wrestlmaina's and had lots of classic matchs/fueds (jake Roberts, HBK, Tito Santana etc...) Nearly every decent wisklist had him in and he was in alot of peoples top 5. If you look on WrestlingWorld he's the most expensive figure for a reason. (And the best in the wave!) If there was a pegwarmer it would be Akeem but I hope they all sell well there all fantastic figures!
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Post by popyduggan on Apr 19, 2011 8:20:04 GMT -5
Hopefully it's Kinnikuman Rumblers, or Hogan, he has no allegiances.
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Post by The Madness on Apr 19, 2011 8:37:47 GMT -5
Rick Martel...PEGWARMER...are you serious the guys an absolute legend and he was a WWE for alot longer than the 3 in his series. He was at many Wrestlmaina's and had lots of classic matchs/fueds (jake Roberts, HBK, Tito Santana etc...) That's true, but the sad part about it is that all but very top guys seem to be keeping the pegs warm. The more recent the wrestlers are, the better they seem to sell (Rock, Austin, etc.)
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Post by Bandalero on Apr 19, 2011 9:06:24 GMT -5
Okay let's call the elephant.
Legends is an Adult Collectors line. You can't expect 10 year old kids to bug their parents to get Paul Orndorff or Piper/Orton ~ there's no connection for them. Martel is the epitome of a wrestling Legend and belongs in a line like this, but how many kids know he was an AWA champ? The many accessories he's packed with might get them to buy, but it surely isn't his name that's selling the figure to the casual consumer. So I agree with WVGuitar about the more recent wrestlers being better sellers. It's reality.
What worries me most is this talk about being more "Strategic" and less "Obscure" because that translates to Mattel catering to the casual consumer and less to the adult collector. I'd love a freakin Arn Anderson/Tully Blanchard or Midnight Express - but you think any kid would want those boring looking figures to play with?
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Post by wyleecyotee on Apr 19, 2011 9:10:40 GMT -5
They could go Allstars with it, pack a Legend with a current Superstar.
A kid might not want a Repo Man, but if hes packed with a Cena or Rey Mysterio he might pick him up, theres always a possibility that kid will then look into Repo Man and learn about older wrestlers.
I hope the announcement is good, there are so many legends Mattel could make and its a shame it might die so soon.
I like the Assasins idea of a survey where Mattel can then see who we want most, in a line of 5, 1 is a top want, 3 are slightly lower on the scale and 1 can be a slightly obscure one (packed less), a bit like the Hall of Fame line ups.
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Post by BoneCrunchingCustoms on Apr 19, 2011 9:25:02 GMT -5
They could go Allstars with it, pack a Legend with a current Superstar. A kid might not want a Repo Man, but if hes packed with a Cena or Rey Mysterio he might pick him up, theres always a possibility that kid will then look into Repo Man and learn about older wrestlers. I hope the announcement is good, there are so many legends Mattel could make and its a shame it might die so soon. I like the Assasins idea of a survey where Mattel can then see who we want most, in a line of 5, 1 is a top want, 3 are slightly lower on the scale and 1 can be a slightly obscure one (packed less), a bit like the Hall of Fame line ups. This would actually be a great marketing scheme. i really like the idea of random fantasy warfare. John Morrison vs the mountie! Triple H vs Superstar Billy Graham! Rey Mysterio vs Waylon Mercy! Dolph Ziggler vs Disco Inferno!
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Post by azraelms on Apr 19, 2011 9:26:35 GMT -5
Rick Martel...PEGWARMER...are you serious the guys an absolute legend and he was a WWE for alot longer than the 3 in his series. He was at many Wrestlmaina's and had lots of classic matchs/fueds (jake Roberts, HBK, Tito Santana etc...) Nearly every decent wisklist had him in and he was in alot of peoples top 5. If you look on WrestlingWorld he's the most expensive figure for a reason. (And the best in the wave!) If there was a pegwarmer it would be Akeem but I hope they all sell well there all fantastic figures! But that's the thing - he is known to us collectors, but to the average person he is an unknown. The average person coming down the aisle would see Randy Savage, Rick Martel, BamBam Bigelow, and Akeem, would most likely know Savage. Them maybe BamBam because of his look, then Akeem, again based on his look, and the last one to be recognized would be Rick Martel. Personally, I am quite happy to get a Rick Martel. My point is that he is about the level of known/unknown that would make us collectors happy to get, but the average Mom and Child would not have a clue who he is. So he would be a perfect figure to have as an online exclusive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 10:05:51 GMT -5
Jakks Produced Martel, Arn anderson, Tully Blanchard, Dean Malenko, Billy Graham etc etc... all guys who arn't well known by kids, their mothers, their grandmothers, whoever.... and they sold .....
why?
Because Jakks Sold The Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, Andre the Giant, HBK and Bret, Hogan , Flair and Because people had these guys, they bought the rest as well.
No one walks down the aisle and says, whoa man, im gonna start a wwe legends collection because of brian pillman. They start with the Names above, then its easy to pick up brian pillman because you have bret hart already, and its easy to pick up giant gonzalez because he fought taker at wm9 etc etc...
The Less Obscure will Sell!!!! But Not Before The Big Stars!!
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Post by threehgame on Apr 19, 2011 10:38:44 GMT -5
truly cant see Mattel having to cancel considering the huge global domination mattel has on toys and how jakks spent years doin it.. Thats the issue. Mattel is a larger company that needs larger returns then Jakks per series. Retailers have a long term memory about how well thing sell. The performance of the first two-series will be remembered if any series becomes a peg warmer again.
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