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Post by S on May 3, 2011 17:46:08 GMT -5
Spoiler Theory from a Doctor Who nerd: I think River is the child in the spacesuit, as well as Amy's child... now the four questions are
1) Is River a Time Lord?
2) Does the adult River know Amy is her mum?
3) Is the Doctor the father?
4) Why did the scanner in the TARDIS go nuts
First of all, to understand this, you have to remember that apparently a TARDIS is 'grown' not made ("The Impossible Planet") this implies there is an element of biology or DNA within a TARDIS)
Now, if you remember, the Doctor and Amy were joking about the baby having a 'time head' due to spending so much time in the TARDIS, well, i believe that whilst they were joking, the TARDIS travel has affected Amy's baby... think of how looking into the TARDIS affected Rose.
Also, we've never seen a pregnant woman in the TARDIS for a prolonged period (I dont think) so we dont know the affects. This is what has caused the seeming regeneration ability of the space-child, not the Doctor being the father (answering question 3). This also means River isnt a Time Lord... rather a human baby with 'TARDIS DNA' or something like that... seems possible as the TARDIS is said to be grown, not built, implying elements of it are living (answering question 1). This mix in DNA may be what confused the scanner, it could have been searching for a human baby in Amy, however River has elements of 'TARDIS' aswell as human, which caused it to trip out (answering question 4).
Now, we know the child know about Amy as she has a picture of her, but River seemingly doesn't. The only reason i can believe right now is that as a child she only had that picture and lost it when she left the orphanage, so she may have forgot what Amy looks like. That or some event that is to be revealed in Rivers life (answering question 2).
Two other things to think about. River, although seemingly human appears to be able to travel through time... yet unlike Doctor or even Captain Jack, she's never shown with any time travelling technology, her 'TARDIS DNA' may be the reason for her ability to time travel, it may also be why she is able to drive the TARDIS so well.
Finally, think about the first episode we see River, "Silence In The Library", River is wearing something very similar to a Spacesuit, knowing Steven Moffats penchant for continuity between episodes could be why.God i love a nerd-gasm Interesting I love reading theories like this, and although you make a lot of sense, I seriously think it might not be as complicated as this. My response to your spoiler River can time travel thanks to her time manipulator thing though? Especially since the Doctor used it at the end of the last series to travel between 1996 and 2000 years before to where Rory was as a roman
And the fact she can drive the TARDIS always thought it's because the Doctor taught her
And to your 3) - That would be wierd. Especially seen as though the Doctor and River are meant to be romantically linked and eventually married. So the Doctor can't be the father, which is a relief. So that would mean she isn't a time lord too.Ok... highlight below Totally forgot she shows the her time manipulating device, and im saying the Doctor is not related to her, but theres no evidence they were romantically linked, hints yes, but that could be harmless flirting.
Mabye he did show her how to control the TARDIS on some journey, mabye its conceptual as he is the pilot of the TARDIS that is mixed with her DNA in my theory. I just dont believe she can be a Time Lord as i think there would have been more hints to that, also, during 'The Master' episodes, the Doctor said if there was ever another Time Lord in existence he'd know, this is why i think she must be something that isnt a Time Lord, but close... with this story i doubt theyd introduce some similar species out of the blue, so it must be the TARDIS.
Could be a chameleon circuit thing like the master, but im sure we would have seen her with a pocket watch or something as a hint in an earlier episode... like i said, Moffat likes leaving hints, and there have just been too few for her to have been a Time Lord. |
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Post by Rog on May 3, 2011 18:50:45 GMT -5
Ok... highlight below Totally forgot she shows the her time manipulating device, and im saying the Doctor is not related to her, but theres no evidence they were romantically linked, hints yes, but that could be harmless flirting.
Mabye he did show her how to control the TARDIS on some journey, mabye its conceptual as he is the pilot of the TARDIS that is mixed with her DNA in my theory. I just dont believe she can be a Time Lord as i think there would have been more hints to that, also, during 'The Master' episodes, the Doctor said if there was ever another Time Lord in existence he'd know, this is why i think she must be something that isnt a Time Lord, but close... with this story i doubt theyd introduce some similar species out of the blue, so it must be the TARDIS.
Could be a chameleon circuit thing like the master, but im sure we would have seen her with a pocket watch or something as a hint in an earlier episode... like i said, Moffat likes leaving hints, and there have just been too few for her to have been a Time Lord.
River stated herself she knew how to fly the Tardis from the Doctor teaching her plus the episode 'Journey's End' saw Sarah Jane, Martha, Rose, Captain Jack all helping to fly the Tardis.
While i don't believe she is a Time Lord, it is interesting to note though that her species has never been revealed... We assume she's human but i don't think it's been confirmed that she is, one way or the other. |
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Post by TheXtremisT on May 4, 2011 4:37:28 GMT -5
Interesting I love reading theories like this, and although you make a lot of sense, I seriously think it might not be as complicated as this. My response to your spoiler River can time travel thanks to her time manipulator thing though? Especially since the Doctor used it at the end of the last series to travel between 1996 and 2000 years before to where Rory was as a roman
And the fact she can drive the TARDIS always thought it's because the Doctor taught her
And to your 3) - That would be wierd. Especially seen as though the Doctor and River are meant to be romantically linked and eventually married. So the Doctor can't be the father, which is a relief. So that would mean she isn't a time lord too.Ok... highlight below Totally forgot she shows the her time manipulating device, and im saying the Doctor is not related to her, but theres no evidence they were romantically linked, hints yes, but that could be harmless flirting.
Mabye he did show her how to control the TARDIS on some journey, mabye its conceptual as he is the pilot of the TARDIS that is mixed with her DNA in my theory. I just dont believe she can be a Time Lord as i think there would have been more hints to that, also, during 'The Master' episodes, the Doctor said if there was ever another Time Lord in existence he'd know, this is why i think she must be something that isnt a Time Lord, but close... with this story i doubt theyd introduce some similar species out of the blue, so it must be the TARDIS.
Could be a chameleon circuit thing like the master, but im sure we would have seen her with a pocket watch or something as a hint in an earlier episode... like i said, Moffat likes leaving hints, and there have just been too few for her to have been a Time Lord.
Well the fact they were meant to be married tells me they were romantically involved, because when he asks her if they are married she says 'spoilers'.
So if they aren't, then she is just being a massive flirt and teasing him. Tart
But yeah I love the hints left by Moffat, definitely makes you want to watch past episodes again and again to makes sense of it all. It's well thought out, and the only thing I could compare to how great this programme is, is Back To The Future. |
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Post by S on May 14, 2011 12:50:13 GMT -5
Well, after tonights episode (4th in the series) I think my theory could be possible
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Post by S on Jun 4, 2011 13:32:39 GMT -5
Well, well, well... looks like i was right  |
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Post by Albus Voldemort on Jun 4, 2011 14:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by S on Jun 4, 2011 18:03:05 GMT -5
I just really hope that this isnt the last series for River, i mean, story wise she's gonna keep getting younger, how long can they have Alex Kingston whos gonna age. I hope they do some story where her and the doctors timelines split into two alternates and they go on a normal timeline as i feel she is a great member of the cast
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Post by LtD73 on Jun 5, 2011 8:45:32 GMT -5
I just really hope that this isnt the last series for River, i mean, story wise she's gonna keep getting younger, how long can they have Alex Kingston whos gonna age. I hope they do some story where her and the doctors timelines split into two alternates and they go on a normal timeline as i feel she is a great member of the cast I was expecting her to be killed  |
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Post by SteveHulk on Jun 7, 2011 0:16:44 GMT -5
After a shaky start (I wasn't so keen on the American 2-parter and the "Pirates" episode), I've loved these last few episodes... great stuff. ;D I just really hope that this isnt the last series for River, i mean, story wise she's gonna keep getting younger, how long can they have Alex Kingston whos gonna age. BUT - River was conceived in the TARDIS which has made her similar to a Timelord - so she will probably be able to regenerate... |
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Post by letlive on Jun 7, 2011 5:04:09 GMT -5
I just really hope that this isnt the last series for River, i mean, story wise she's gonna keep getting younger, how long can they have Alex Kingston whos gonna age. I hope they do some story where her and the doctors timelines split into two alternates and they go on a normal timeline as i feel she is a great member of the cast I was expecting her to be killed River was already killed in the two parter (Forest of the Dead/Silence of the Library) in series 4 when Tennant was still doctor. |
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jun 7, 2011 12:20:41 GMT -5
After a shaky start (I wasn't so keen on the American 2-parter and the "Pirates" episode), I've loved these last few episodes... great stuff. ;D I just really hope that this isnt the last series for River, i mean, story wise she's gonna keep getting younger, how long can they have Alex Kingston whos gonna age. BUT - River was conceived in the TARDIS which has made her similar to a Timelord - so she will probably be able to regenerate... But when we first saw her in the library episodes with David Tennant and Catherine Tate, she was still as she looks now, so I can't see her being able to regenerate. Steven Moffat will be able to rectify that somehow though. |
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