Official Monday Night RAW Thread: 5/9/11

Bad show - Great rating from you.

Pretty good show - Bad rating from you.

Then one week you had like a negative number for a Raw which is ridiculous.

It's more than just "I want the title." It's better than "Where's my title match?"

Truth wasn't in the triple threat because the GM put Mysterio in instead of him. That's the reason he attacked Mysterio.

Cole and King suck but that doesn't warrant taking off huge points for.

Her character is that she kills bitches dead.

It's that you find out what seems to be the general consensus about a show and you go in the exact opposite direction.

You hated last week in that you said it was pointless and stupid yet it got a 6 from you. How can that be? Do you just have a hat with 1 through 10 in it and you pick out a number and that is what you give Raw and anything above 6 is a practice?

There was no wrestling in the first hour of Raw, you were entertained by a non-wrestling show. Didn't you rail against the WWE for taking out wrestling? That's trolling. As well as watching just to complain is trolling.

There was drama in that opening tonight. It went 20 minutes as well, you should have loved it.

If Rey hadn't been there, Truth would have gotten the spot. He feels that Rey cost him the title shot by being there. Morrison cost him the title shot so he took him out. Rey cost him the opportunity, he took him out to end the show.

I agree with you about Cole/Lawler.

I agree with you there about the Divas.

You should try to watch RAW without a computer in your face.

How many times are they going to give us the same matches? then in the PPVs, the same matches again.. thats why the buy rates are so low! maybe they should hire 40 more superstars

1 month later: WWE releases 40 superstars.

But how does one good hour, in your eyes, equate to a 6?

No, it seems you are attacking them for not using it hence your mocking user name.

But the Rock's birthday wasn't worth a damn.

Wait until next week for explanations. They aren't going to do something and then explain it right away.

TNA kept throwing crapat the wall and did they explain it right away? No.

Maybe next week Truth will destroy Cole's iPad.

So actual wrestling/wrestling angles don't grab your attention but a bunch of celebrities wishing the Rock a happy birthday and Pitbull singing does?

If you want to watch an entertainment show turn on ABC or CBS.

It was an 2 1/2 hour show. I liked a good percentage of that hour and a half. I was hoping Raw could always bring that same energy every week. Things were looking good until it quickly went to crap. It wasn't 'perfect' or anything, but I was entertained and happy to be watching.



I am good with waiting for explanations, but the difference with what TNA does and WWE is that I can get behind characters in TNA much easier than WWE. I think the reason this is, is not because TNA wrestlers are in better storylines (because the writing is just as bad) but they're more relatable because they act more like people.

WWE superstars deliver lines, but they're not believable at all. They really seem like emotionless people, saying lines...just for the fact that they have to, rather than they want to.

This is one reason it's REALLY hard to behind Cody Rhodes. You can see him trying as hard as he can to get his character across, but it's not 'him'. He's playing a character, and he's good on the mid, but he just doesn't come off as a believable person.

Anyway...what I'm getting at is that it's hard to care about any WWE superstar in any storyline because they don't come off as caring about it themselves. No matter what twist might happen next week with R-Truth and Rey, it probably won't matter much to me. I'm not behind either character. I don't care. (And that's one of WWE's biggest problems). But will I watch, hoping that somehow there's something in that I can get behind? Sure. Am I doubting so? Yes.



At least then I could understand where R-Truth was coming from and understand his actions.



Pure wrestling angles never grabbed my attention. I've always been a fan of the crazier stuff that happens. That's a big reason as to why I can't watch stuff like ROH and various other small wrestling companies because there's just nothing there for me.

To me, there has to be a story, something to make me care about the match going on. It doesn't even have to be a good match. One of my favorite matches and storylines of all time was Austin vs Undertaker at Fully Loaded 99. First blood match.

I knew wrestling was fake and I was young, but there was something that put me on the edge of my seat that night. Me and my friend were screaming at the TV, hoping that Undertaker wouldn't slip up and accidentally actually hit Austin causing him to bleed.

in other words, a match with pretty much just punches and kicks will entertain me if the storyline is done right.

How did that feel real at all? R-Truths over the top facial expressions, with insults such as hospital food gives you constipation? C'mon! I give R-Truth props that he comes off better than any other heel, but to say the situation felt real is just absurd.

And a wrestling show doesn't always need wrestling to be entertaining. As long as there are characters you enjoy are doing things that you like seeing. I loved The Rock's backstage antics, I loved his in ring antics. Sure, there has to be some physical interaction, which there was between R-Truth and Morrison. Which was great, that really made R-Truth seem like an bunghole. That 30 seconds of beatdown told more about R-Truth's heel turn more than the night he beat down Morrison for 10 minutes. It's that's only complimented by his actions of talking to himself.

It wasn't a great night for wrestling that night, but it was an interesting night at letting you understand R-Truths character a bit more and various others. The birthday song and stupid Nitro Girls esque dance crap was lame. Like I said, it wasn't perfect, but I was entertained.



The best comparison I can give you with how fake WWE wrestlers sound, compared to most of the TNA roster, is how Matt Hardy comes across. He's absolutely unbelievable on the mic, one thing he should never be doing is talking.

The best I can compare this, is listen to Bubba Ray when he's on the mic. He comes off as an annoying, but convincing bunghole.
Then take a look at Matt Hardy, who's trying to play a character he came up with and absolutely failing.

Most of the WWE stars come off like Matt Hardy on the mic. They're saying a bunch of stuff, but it just doesn't mean anything, they don't believe what they're talking about and it shows. The Miz is easily my best example of Matt Hardy syndrome. It's really hard to love or hate a wrestler when they sound so terrible.



The 2 problems I have with this is that

A-I don't feel commentators need to be apart of a storyline, unless it's a one week little fiasco
B- They haven't changed the story. It's the same 15 minute segment over and over and over and over again. It's an 'idea' but the idea hasn't really gone anywhere.

I think that's how WWE works lately, is just throwing out ideas without really having a story behind it.

Nexus, great idea, but never went anywhere at all. They're pointless and have been for months.
Shaemus- ...I've actually always thought this guy sucked, but still..beating Triple H at Mania? Really stupid, then King of the Ring...and nothing? ugh.

It's been an entire year, and we STILL don't know anyones personality in the Nexus or The Corre. We've known they had leader issues and match issues....but nothing. They're just there.



I disagree. I think WWE are full of ideas, they just don't know how to make a story out of them.

You say story, I say video package. The stories are so incoherent that you actually need one to understand what's why two superstars dislike each other. Luckily, WWE are amazing at making video packages. I mean, they convinced people that Goldberg and Brock actually had a feud going on...when they only caused problems for each other once or twice.



It's not whether they need one or not, it's how convincing they sound while speaking. Bubba obviously comes off as a character, while Matt couldn't even convince a highschool audience with his ability to speak.


They haven't been getting squashed by the Big Show for a year (Nexus/Corre)...but getting squashed in general constantly? Yeah, sadly.



When Raw is in need of some new characters, they need to pump something, anything out to build them, and they were slowly letting something out of the bag with Kharma doing her new thing on Raw and R-Truth showing his more ruthless side. It's something? Should there have been more matches? Sure, but you're acting as a 6/10 rating is a good things. That's just above average of what I usually seen. Being entertained is something refreshing.



I don't have to like every single guy they put in front of me. But if they're going to build someone from the ground up, do it so it makes sense.

How does it make sense for Shaemus to beat Triple H at Wrestlemania, taking him out for a year. For Triple H to come back (after not being involved with wrestling) and take him out in 3 minutes...Then to fight The Undertaker and lose again.

Does that mean Shaemus is more of a contender than Triple H? Shouldn't that alone make Shaemus a future threat to The Undertaker since Sheamus also won King of the Ring?

Oh..but you can't do anything like that, because Triple H doesn't wrestle much and neither does Undertaker..killing everything this up and comer had in a direction he could have taken.